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Hello Sailor
May 3, 2006

we're all mad here

While I was looking up Comet's selections, this (non-SA) forum discussion about engineering paper popped up: http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/208072-quality-engineering-computation-paper/

Oddly, the OP is fond of Comet and the first reply likes a Japanese brand.

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The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun
The National pads are good.

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

Why are you using paper?

Serious question. Electronic everything please.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice
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Thoguh fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Aug 10, 2023

mitztronic
Jun 17, 2005

mixcloud.com/mitztronic

PRADA SLUT posted:

It seems like everything is a giant pad of toilet paper and my pencil rips through it at every opportunity.

I don't think I've ever ripped through paper during 7 years of higher Ed and 5 years of practice. Are you Terry Cruz?

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun

spwrozek posted:

Why are you using paper?

Serious question. Electronic everything please.

Sometimes it's easier to just dash off some calculations by hand.

I scan them to save on our job server once I'm done, at least.

huhu
Feb 24, 2006
I've created a portfolio of my work from school, personal, Engineers Without Borders, and work projects. The thing is, I cannot include work from two of my internships in the portfolio and therefore I'm lacking two years of projects that I'd like to display. How best should I deal with this? I was thinking of saying in my cover letter something along the lines of I can vaguely discuss my work at one internship (because its patented) and discuss the other but no photos/CAD models because I wasn't allowed to take any.

IratelyBlank
Dec 2, 2004
The only easy day was yesterday

PRADA SLUT posted:

Is there some engineering paper that isn't recycled worthless garbage?

It seems like everything is a giant pad of toilet paper and my pencil rips through it at every opportunity.

I accidentally bought that TOPS garbage when I was refilling my paper and I agree it's terrible. The national brand stuff is a lot better: http://amzn.com/B0017TMB64

antiga
Jan 16, 2013

huhu posted:

I've created a portfolio of my work from school, personal, Engineers Without Borders, and work projects. The thing is, I cannot include work from two of my internships in the portfolio and therefore I'm lacking two years of projects that I'd like to display. How best should I deal with this? I was thinking of saying in my cover letter something along the lines of I can vaguely discuss my work at one internship (because its patented) and discuss the other but no photos/CAD models because I wasn't allowed to take any.

Can you talk about the work you did? It's typical to not have a portfolio of actual work, it would almost always be some kind of IP violation. I'd be suspicious if anyone ever presented work done for someone else during an interview. You should however be able to talk about what you did and the skills etc even if the details are proprietary.

huhu
Feb 24, 2006

antiga posted:

Can you talk about the work you did? It's typical to not have a portfolio of actual work, it would almost always be some kind of IP violation. I'd be suspicious if anyone ever presented work done for someone else during an interview. You should however be able to talk about what you did and the skills etc even if the details are proprietary.

I ended up writing this for my cover letter:

quote:

The web address for my portfolio is http://www..com/ I would like to make a note that while my portfolio covers most of my work; I am unable to include information about projects I worked on at Internship1 or Internship2. However, I would be happy to discuss these projects in person.

Thinking I can just keep it simple and go into as much detail as I'm permitted during the interview.

Devor
Nov 30, 2004
Lurking more.

huhu posted:

I ended up writing this for my cover letter:


Thinking I can just keep it simple and go into as much detail as I'm permitted during the interview.

Reiterating Antiga's comment that providing examples of your actual work product is not really a "thing" in engineering.

There's not a recruiter clicking that link and saying "mmm, yeah, that's a really well designed strut. Check out the chamfers on that thing!" Sharon - call this man in for an interview!

Like, when you write down that you did X for Engineers without Borders, they just maybe ask you about it if it's interesting or relevant. It's to give you a chance to expand on the cool things and brag about yourself. They aren't your adversary asking you to prove things to them.

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

I couldn't imagine looking at a portfolio or what people would put in it.

You want my 800 page spec book? I don't even know how I would go about that.

huhu
Feb 24, 2006
The job I'm applying for does require a portfolio. I'm interested in where design/engineering overlap.

Some things in my portfolio include senior design project, my work with aqueducts in the Peace Corps, and a printer I made with Arduino/3D printed parts. As far as work stuff, I've designed a bunch of parts for different machines.

Apprentice Dick
Dec 1, 2009

huhu posted:

The job I'm applying for does require a portfolio. I'm interested in where design/engineering overlap.

Some things in my portfolio include senior design project, my work with aqueducts in the Peace Corps, and a printer I made with Arduino/3D printed parts. As far as work stuff, I've designed a bunch of parts for different machines.

I am a design engineer in the auto industry. Out of all the interviews I've had no one wants a portfolio, but they do ask a lot of technical questions regarding my experience. The only place that I know of that requests a portfolio is the styling groups that don't do any engineering, just concept shape making.

T.C.
Feb 10, 2004

Believe.
I do some unusual industrial structural stuff. I have a book of project photos that I've taken to interviews and will pull out of I happen to be talking about something that's in it. It's helpful.

Frankston
Jul 27, 2010


Anyone in this thread know of any engineers who got into the industry later than usual? I'm 27 and have started the first year of a 4-year engineering degree so I'll be in my 30's by the time I even graduate, with no prior engineering experience at all (Some standard office jobs, worked in a casino for a few years, spent a while travelling etc) and I worry that this will be considered a negative because that's 10 years already gone for me.

torpedan
Jul 17, 2003
Lets make Uncle Ben proud
I finished my BSME when I was 31 and had classmates who are much older than me. It's not an issue.

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

One of the engineers I am training is 40 something just out of school. She got a degree when she was young, then was a stay at home mom for 18 years, went back to school, and now works with me.

You should be OK. Just get some internships if you can as they make all the difference.

Frankston
Jul 27, 2010


Good to hear, thanks. My uni offers an integrated year in industry as part of the degree as long as you maintain an average of 60% over the first two years which I intend to take advantage of.

Hello Sailor
May 3, 2006

we're all mad here

I'll be getting my Bachelor's the year I turn 40. Trying to decide if I should stick around another year to grab a Master's of Engineering or do the non-thesis distance learning option my school offers to people employed as EITs and PEs. I really loathe the idea of doing a thesis, plus it's one more year of not getting paid.

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

What is your degree in and what value will the masters be to you?

Hello Sailor
May 3, 2006

we're all mad here

Environmental engineering. I was originally planning on getting the Master's because it was getting added to the PE exam requirements, but that's no longer the case. I guess I'm still operating under the assumption that it would mean a pay raise.

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

I am not too sure it really is worth more pay off the bat. Since you don't need it for the PE now I would probably get a job and work for a year or two. Then see if your employer will front the bill for that masters, or at least part of it. With some experience it could help bump the pay with masters plus PE.

Just my opinion.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
I don't work in your industry, but personally, I would never pay someone more just because they had a masters degree. (ABD in a Ph.D program with a relevant research area is obviously different.)

Devor
Nov 30, 2004
Lurking more.

Hello Sailor posted:

Environmental engineering. I was originally planning on getting the Master's because it was getting added to the PE exam requirements, but that's no longer the case. I guess I'm still operating under the assumption that it would mean a pay raise.

Masters degree is a $1000 per year premium at my civil engineering firm (you can maybe use it as leverage for more, but a Masters doesn't do much in the consulting world).

PE License is $4000 per year [$2/hr] premium, for comparison.

An MBA down the road would probably be the most efficient Masters degree if you want to work in management, but probably wouldn't make much of a difference for entry level.

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.

Frankston posted:

Anyone in this thread know of any engineers who got into the industry later than usual? I'm 27 and have started the first year of a 4-year engineering degree so I'll be in my 30's by the time I even graduate, with no prior engineering experience at all (Some standard office jobs, worked in a casino for a few years, spent a while travelling etc) and I worry that this will be considered a negative because that's 10 years already gone for me.

Me.

As long as you don't mind working as an intern for someone 5 years younger than you, you'll be fine.

Also, your work ethic will probably be a lot better than your 20 year old peers. They'll rock you in math though (since they'll have JUST taken K-12 math) so don't be afraid to ask for help.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Hello Sailor posted:

Environmental engineering. I was originally planning on getting the Master's because it was getting added to the PE exam requirements, but that's no longer the case. I guess I'm still operating under the assumption that it would mean a pay raise.
Here's my anecdote to take however you like: my girlfriend did C&EnvE undergrad from UCLA and while she got job offers, the quality of the companies that she got offers from where immensely better (according to her, I don't know how to gauge them) after she tacked on a one-year EnvE Masters from Stanford. The immediate pay difference wasn't huge, but according to her it opened up the doors to better companies faster, and now she's about to get her PE. This is all just based on what she tells me, so it could be confirmation bias on her part. But looking at where her friends who went through the Masters program as well ended up compared to her undergrad friends, it seems like it was worth it to me. Maybe that's just the alumni network of Stanford in action though.

Frankston posted:

Anyone in this thread know of any engineers who got into the industry later than usual? I'm 27 and have started the first year of a 4-year engineering degree so I'll be in my 30's by the time I even graduate, with no prior engineering experience at all (Some standard office jobs, worked in a casino for a few years, spent a while travelling etc) and I worry that this will be considered a negative because that's 10 years already gone for me.
Hi I'll be done with my BS at 30. You should come by the non-traditional student thread in SAL.

Star War Sex Parrot fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Oct 30, 2015

antiga
Jan 16, 2013

I have a coworker who did a BSME at forty and she can't handle the fact that her boss is younger than her. It's only a problem because she is making it a problem, as long as you're mature you will have no issues.

Olothreutes
Mar 31, 2007

Hi, I finished my bachelor's at 31 and won't be done with my master's until at least 33. Things are fine, a lot of the people I interview with are interested in the fact that I've had a real job before and the skills that come with it.

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

Perfect

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

I don't work in your industry, but personally, I would never pay someone more just because they had a masters degree. (ABD in a Ph.D program with a relevant research area is obviously different.)

I did a research masters and got a mega pay bump. It's really situational.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice
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Thoguh fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Aug 10, 2023

antiga
Jan 16, 2013

Thoguh posted:

That's weird because that's something you should totally expect as an engineer. If you stay technical you are going to spend most of your career with younger bosses.

You're right and most people handle it just fine. She's in her forties as an engineer 1 and the engineers in their thirties have ten years experience and are senior engineers. She feels that she should be on par with the middle management leadership that's closer to her age despite not having any of the relevant experience.

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003

Hello Sailor posted:

Environmental engineering. I was originally planning on getting the Master's because it was getting added to the PE exam requirements, but that's no longer the case. I guess I'm still operating under the assumption that it would mean a pay raise.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you plan on signing/stamping off on with that PE in enviro?

edit:because if it's just SPCC or remediation plans then lol

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

oxsnard posted:

Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you plan on signing/stamping off on with that PE in enviro?

edit:because if it's just SPCC or remediation plans then lol
Just out of curiousity, why is remediation "lol"? I'm genuinely asking because I know little about my girlfriend's field but she been in remediation since she started working a year ago. I think she's mostly going for her PE for the raise, but I'm curious how it would change her job, if at all. I'm not sure she even knows.

On that note, she got her PE application acceptance letter today! Now she has a few months to prepare for the exam :ohdear:

Hello Sailor
May 3, 2006

we're all mad here

oxsnard posted:

Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you plan on signing/stamping off on with that PE in enviro?

edit:because if it's just SPCC or remediation plans then lol

I think it's likely that we're going to see a number of geoengineering projects implemented in response to threats presented by climate change (or as a response to the side effects of the initial projects, like a planet-sized game of whack-a-mole) and I want to increase my chances of being involved.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
So my small team of like 5 people recently had 3 people turnover in the past months leaving me and another guy who does only CAD and no analysis. They've been trying to hire replacements but it's going really slow and it's still just us two. I plan on leaving in January for a new opportunity (already have the contract in hand) and while I don't give a poo poo or have any loyalty for my company, they are a contractor and I know that me leaving their team leaving only a CAD guy is going to very significantly harm their ability to conduct work, especially for the current projects and customer that I'm assigned to.

On the one hand id like to try to work with them in ensuring they have people to take over when I'm out in two months. On the other hand this company's business model is "just hire the cheapest fresh graduates you can find they're all expendable anyway." I'm in an at will state so I don't technically have to give any notice at all I suppose. Would it be incredibly stupid of me to give them more than 2 weeks? I don't want to leave them dry but I also want to keep my paychecks rolling until January.

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

Just out of curiousity, why is remediation "lol"? I'm genuinely asking because I know little about my girlfriend's field but she been in remediation since she started working a year ago. I think she's mostly going for her PE for the raise, but I'm curious how it would change her job, if at all. I'm not sure she even knows.

On that note, she got her PE application acceptance letter today! Now she has a few months to prepare for the exam :ohdear:

It's steady work but I'd rather kill myself than do that personally. If you work at a small firm or company and be "the guy" to sign off on plans it's good job security and a decent bump in pay. The requirement to be signed off on by a PE is entirely legal usually as there's nothing in most of these plans that really should require a PE. It's usually a legal requirement rather than a technical one.

I'm still gonna get mine some day to check it off my proverbial list. Not expecting any career advancement as a result. Environmental Engineering is weird

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003

Hello Sailor posted:

I think it's likely that we're going to see a number of geoengineering projects implemented in response to threats presented by climate change (or as a response to the side effects of the initial projects, like a planet-sized game of whack-a-mole) and I want to increase my chances of being involved.

Where do you plan on working when you graduate? Have you done much research with potential employers? The reason I ask is that jobs where you do what you want to do are few and far between. The Army Corps of Engineers is probably the best place for that. I'd focus less on the PE for the time being and instead try to get your foot in the door with someone who does what you want to be doing.

Arcadia and AECOM does some of those activities too but most of their work for environmental engineers is remediation or compliance.

If you want money go into compliance. I do this kind and I'm kind of specialized in air emissions and control technologies. But it's mostly signing legal paperwork, adding numbers and being really good at interpretation of federal and state regs.

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.

Boris Galerkin posted:

So my small team of like 5 people recently had 3 people turnover in the past months leaving me and another guy who does only CAD and no analysis. They've been trying to hire replacements but it's going really slow and it's still just us two. I plan on leaving in January for a new opportunity (already have the contract in hand) and while I don't give a poo poo or have any loyalty for my company, they are a contractor and I know that me leaving their team leaving only a CAD guy is going to very significantly harm their ability to conduct work, especially for the current projects and customer that I'm assigned to.

On the one hand id like to try to work with them in ensuring they have people to take over when I'm out in two months. On the other hand this company's business model is "just hire the cheapest fresh graduates you can find they're all expendable anyway." I'm in an at will state so I don't technically have to give any notice at all I suppose. Would it be incredibly stupid of me to give them more than 2 weeks? I don't want to leave them dry but I also want to keep my paychecks rolling until January.

Do you think they're liable to cut you off before winter vacation? Would it harm you if they did? If so, don't do it.

If you want to keep up extra good relations then you might, but they're already looking for people so giving them extra heads up wouldn't really benefit them in any way, as they'll likely be interviewing the same people anyway.

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CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

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totalnewbie posted:

Do you think they're liable to cut you off before winter vacation? Would it harm you if they did? If so, don't do it.

If you want to keep up extra good relations then you might, but they're already looking for people so giving them extra heads up wouldn't really benefit them in any way, as they'll likely be interviewing the same people anyway.

It would allow them to get a fairly useful person in to train before he leaves. They could speed up hiring someone for that purpose.

I agree though, if you dont like your company and fear they may burn you for christmas to save a buck or prevent you from taking IP or anything/anyone else with you, give standard notice. You could always hint that they should hire someone ASAP.

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