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Pirate Jet posted:The more acceptable comparison would be Red Dead Redemption, because that's the game that we actually know meets this weird narrative of "hosed under the hood and would be difficult to put on PC as a result," and I don't know if you saw RDR at launch but the end result was a game where people had cougar animations, horses would get stuck in the ground, carriages would spontaneously implode, and sometimes faces wouldn't even render. Here's what we know to be facts and not just NeoGAF rumors: The game runs with almost no frame drops or bugs whatsoever on consoles, the game runs like garbage on PC, the game was done by a different studio than the original on PC, the game's publisher is infamously a bag of dicks. The conclusion here is pretty easy to draw, and saying that "the game is actually screwed on CONSOLES (despite being the better performing and looking version)" is this weird story that seems like it's just trying to throw shade on Rocksteady because you didn't like the car. You're making an argument against something no one said. I stated the rumor was, prior to release, the console versions were hosed. They were. QA testers have said as much. It was delayed twice because of that. They used a PC version at E3 rather than the console versions. They obviously fixed whatever issues they were having before the game went live. What I'm wondering is when Rocksteady unfucked the game, and when IG began work on the port. If Rocksteady mostly fixed the game after IG began to port, then they received a borked build and built the game on a garbage foundation. Then we know it's Rocksteady's fault, and not IG's. If Rocksteady mostly fixed the game and then gave that build to IG, and IG still couldn't make the port work the way it should, then we know IG shares a larger portion of the blame. But again, it goes back to the console version being broken. The QA testers that have come forward have stated that the console version was in such disarray that they were forced to focus mainly on that version, and the PC version received far less support as a result. Again, I didn't say the console version is still broken, so it doesn't make sense to keep reiterating that it isn't. I also don't know that Knight being ported by a different studio is a big deal, as IG ported Origins and that was a fairly exceptional port bar a couple of game breaking bugs that were eventually addressed. On top of that, for the last however many months, Rocksteady has been "fixing" the PC version, while working alongside Nvidia. The game is apparently so broken that all they managed to do was release the interim patch and make sure the DLC got out there. Now they're basically saying, "Whelp, we tried. Later." and giving refunds to anyone who asks, and stating there are some things they simply can't fix. This is a stupid conversation so I'll end it there. We can all agree the PC version is garbage. Beat the game, get your achievements, get a refund and put that money toward a better game.
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I have to do all 243 loving Riddler things in order to catch him? Goodbye 100%.
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Wendell posted:I have to do all 243 loving Riddler things in order to catch him? Goodbye 100%. only way it could get worse is if Ubisoft made the batman games, but even then it might not be as tedious as using this poo poo in 4 loving games
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I have to collect 200 feathers to make my catonic mother smile again? gently caress you Ubisoft
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quote:EDIT BY VALVE: For users who were having trouble submitting a refund for the game purchased on Steam, please try your refund submission again. The issue should have now been resolved. Eyyy, trying again.
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Wendell posted:I have to do all 243 loving Riddler things in order to catch him? Goodbye 100%. The saddest part of that is that The Riddler fight is the only actual boss fight in the game. It's a lovely, easy, uncreative boss fight; but still the only boss fight in the game.
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If you ignore the cloud burst and drill tank thing because you're in the batmobile.
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Wendell posted:I have to do all 243 loving Riddler things in order to catch him? Goodbye 100%. Yeah when he said that and sank into the floor I thought 'gently caress it, stay down there forever.'
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Mogomra posted:If you ignore the cloud burst and drill tank thing because you're in the batmobile. I think that's exactly his point. All the other boss fights take place in the Batmobile. You never really get to go mano a mano with any of the rogues. Except, ironically, Riddler in his robo suit.
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CuwiKhons posted:I think that's exactly his point. All the other boss fights take place in the Batmobile. You never really get to go mano a mano with any of the rogues. Except, ironically, Riddler in his robo suit. there's Pyg and his invincible gurney
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Wendell posted:I have to do all 243 loving Riddler things in order to catch him? Goodbye 100%. Joke's on you, the Riddler challenges are generally pretty fun! Also, the battank boss-fights are fun. In fact, none of the Arkham games are bad games, and they are all really fun.
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Wait, let me go check--- Yeah, still fun to have a change of pace from most of the game, and the previous 3 games, combat styles to do a hide-and-seek sneak-attack battle in a maze-like setup.  Maybe you're mis-remembering?
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surc posted:Wait, let me go check--- what change of pace, you're still in the batmobile?
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Or are you saying that Rocksteady should be praised for actively avoiding what people enjoyed from the first few games as a change of pace
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surc posted:Wait, let me go check--- yeah sure is fun collecting 250 loving mcguffins for the 4th game in a row
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Jeeze you guys are pretty invested in not enjoying this game. In the last page, people have complained about the game having: 1)A new mechanic 2)A popular old mechanic 3)A large variety of batman villains ayn rand hand job posted:what change of pace, you're still in the batmobile? ayn rand hand job posted:Or are you saying that Rocksteady should be praised for actively avoiding what people enjoyed from the first few games as a change of pace If you spent most of Arkham Knight in the batmobile, then I'm sorry you don't know how to glide and use the grappling hook, but that's kind of on you. And yes, I'm saying that Rocksteady should be praised for trying new boss fight mechanics after 3 games of the same boss fight mechanics. I was not aware that liking developers trying new things was a revolutionary concept. E: Me enjoying the boss fight is also a separate thing than me thinking it is good for a developer to try new things. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I'm glad they did it, and I'm also glad that I think it did work in this instance. MinibarMatchman posted:yeah sure is fun collecting 250 loving mcguffins for the 4th game in a row I mean, you could just pretend there aren't trophies at the end of the puzzles, if that prevents you from enjoying puzzles, I guess? Or are you legitimately mad that they put too many optional mini-games in for people who enjoy mini-games? surc fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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surc posted:Jeeze you guys are pretty invested in not enjoying this game. your not wrong, I do think people are to an extent too overly critical of the game. but at the same time it feels like for every step forward, they took 2 back.
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The game is good, but the batmobosses were not, I'm fine with the rest of the game barring dlc and port quality.
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surc posted:I mean, you could just pretend there aren't trophies at the end of the puzzles, if that prevents you from enjoying puzzles, I guess? Or are you legitimately mad that they put too many optional mini-games in for people who enjoy mini-games? The more complex ones are good (and I like all of the "take a picture of Batman lore" ones), but like several of the other things you alluded to it's a case of quantity being used as a substitute for quality.
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CuwiKhons posted:I think that's exactly his point. All the other boss fights take place in the Batmobile. You never really get to go mano a mano with any of the rogues. Except, ironically, Riddler in his robo suit. I cannot get over this. You rematch Deathstroke in a loving tank battle, but get in a fist fight with The Riddler?! How the gently caress did that happen.
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Haha, this game pretty much always worked on my PC, but now it's gonna fund my purchase of Fallout 4.
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PostNouveau posted:Haha, this game pretty much always worked on my PC, but now it's gonna fund my purchase of Fallout 4. Everyone should do this.
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TechnoSyndrome posted:I cannot get over this. You rematch Deathstroke in a loving tank battle, but get in a fist fight with The Riddler?! How the gently caress did that happen. Per the ingame Gotham stories, Deathstroke came back to Gotham to try to take Batman out because he's actually really afraid of him to the point that it's harming his ability to function.
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I bought my key for Arkham Knight via a website, not direct from Steam. Any word on if we will be able to refund from non Steam purchases?
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I mainly can't get over the fact that you fight main villain, Evil Batman, Arkham Knight in another tank battle and never face-to-face
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Mr Beens posted:I bought my key for Arkham Knight via a website, not direct from Steam. Any word on if we will be able to refund from non Steam purchases? You're not going to get a refund from Steam, you didn't give them any money. Talk to whoever you brought it from. Green Man Gaming was giving refunds before the re-launch, don't know if they still are.
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Veotax posted:You're not going to get a refund from Steam, you didn't give them any money. Talk to whoever you brought it from. Green Man Gaming was giving refunds before the re-launch, don't know if they still are. They are now! http://blog.playfire.com/2015/11/batman-arkham-knight-update.html
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:I mainly can't get over the fact that you fight main villain, Evil Batman, Arkham Knight in another tank battle and never face-to-face this is pretty much the answer to all the "why tank battles suck" points. even if they were fine, they still robbed you of infinitely better fights
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surc posted:If you spent most of Arkham Knight in the batmobile, then I'm sorry you don't know how to glide and use the grappling hook, but that's kind of on you. I spent every second I possibly could not being in the Batmobile. I still spent way more time than I wanted to in the Batmobile. quote:And yes, I'm saying that Rocksteady should be praised for trying new boss fight mechanics after 3 games of the same boss fight mechanics. I was not aware that liking developers trying new things was a revolutionary concept. Here's the thing - I would have been okay with one or two Batmobile boss fights. Trying something new is good, even if it doesn't work. But when almost every single boss fight in the game boils down to a Batmobile fight, then that's just garbage, just like it was garbage when nearly every fight in AA was the exact same Titan boss fight. quote:I mean, you could just pretend there aren't trophies at the end of the puzzles, if that prevents you from enjoying puzzles, I guess? Or are you legitimately mad that they put too many optional mini-games in for people who enjoy mini-games? I like collectibles and I like the Riddler so the amount of puzzles didn't actually bother me. But I can understand people who are mad that the full ending is locked behind doing almost 250 little minigames, some of which are obnoxious.
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How does this even work, do they contact Valve to take the game off your purchases?
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Parallax posted:How does this even work, do they contact Valve to take the game off your purchases? Pretty much!
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CuwiKhons posted:I spent every second I possibly could not being in the Batmobile. I still spent way more time than I wanted to in the Batmobile.  CuwiKhons posted:Here's the thing - I would have been okay with one or two Batmobile boss fights. Trying something new is good, even if it doesn't work. But when almost every single boss fight in the game boils down to a Batmobile fight, then that's just garbage, just like it was garbage when nearly every fight in AA was the exact same Titan boss fight.  CuwiKhons posted:I like collectibles and I like the Riddler so the amount of puzzles didn't actually bother me. But I can understand people who are mad that the full ending is locked behind doing almost 250 little minigames, some of which are obnoxious. 
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Veotax posted:You're not going to get a refund from Steam, you didn't give them any money. Talk to whoever you brought it from. Green Man Gaming was giving refunds before the re-launch, don't know if they still are. Well yes, I wasn't expecting a refund from Steam which is why I was explictly asking about a purchase from a non Steam vendor. I was just asking if anyone had heard anything about refunds from key sellers as all the stuff I had seen was talking about Steam refunds.
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Anyone tried to get a refund from gamesplanet? Not sure if I should even bother trying.
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The problem with the Batmobile is that nothing changes. The various enemy types are too similar and there's no real mechanic beyond "shoot" and "press button when meter is full for lots of dead enemies." If it had Batmobile Gadgets that actually worked like Batman and the various tanks had different gimmicks I'd probably complain less about it. The Cobra tanks are okay but even they have one gimmick.
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ImpAtom posted:The problem with the Batmobile is that nothing changes. The various enemy types are too similar and there's no real mechanic beyond "shoot" and "press button when meter is full for lots of dead enemies." If it had Batmobile Gadgets that actually worked like Batman and the various tanks had different gimmicks I'd probably complain less about it. The Cobra tanks are okay but even they have one gimmick. Didn't you make this argument a few months ago or something Seems familiar
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ImpAtom posted:The problem with the Batmobile is that nothing changes. The various enemy types are too similar and there's no real mechanic beyond "shoot" and "press button when meter is full for lots of dead enemies." If it had Batmobile Gadgets that actually worked like Batman and the various tanks had different gimmicks I'd probably complain less about it. The Cobra tanks are okay but even they have one gimmick.
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redbackground posted:I said it before and I'm-a sticking with it, the greatest sin of Tank-combat is the lack of the...personal touch. Dynamic goon dialogue, their getting more scared as time goes on, the ability to just slowly gently caress with them or go at them like a maniac...all of that is gone. It's just a silent aim-shoot-aim-shoot gauntlet that just finally ends and then either Jason or Deathstroke lobs a dumb taunt at you. Yeah, they've had two or three games to sort the hand-to-hand stuff out so that's pretty polished at this point, but all the Batmobile stuff is just completely unrefined.
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