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The Iron Rose posted:This is from a couple pages back, but I identify as a democrat and like FPTP so I'm literally the Great Satan Whoa, whoa, whoa. Identifying as a Democrat is OK, really only LFian Marxoteens like me would whine, but there's not very much going for FPTP besides it being simple. It's guaranteed to create two parties or only regional third parties at best, a majority of votes can and often do end up wasted, and voting against rather than for just ruins anyone's sense their voice is heard. If there are literally only two possible choices like yes or no, it works, otherwise?
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greatn posted:Oklahoma Mayor apologizes as her husband dresses as a KKK member for Halloween. I'm eagerly awaiting the annual post-Halloween wave of influential and powerful people stupid enough to believe wearing blackface is OK.
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greatn posted:Oklahoma Mayor apologizes as her husband dresses as a KKK member for Halloween. He should go as blackface MLK next year, to even things out.
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botany posted:Yeah no, this is so hilarious you actually need to quote the whole thing, sorry. Sounds more like they had a Klan meeting and got caught and needed a cover story. "No we aren't Klansmen we were just dressed as ghosts and fire curing these two perpendicular sticks"
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Nov 2, 2015 18:26
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It's not a cross, its a lowercase T which stands for Trick or Treat
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Nov 2, 2015 18:27
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No, no, no. It was an ironic Klan cross burning. Suuuuuuuuure.
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foobardog posted:Whoa, whoa, whoa. Identifying as a Democrat is OK, really only LFian Marxoteens like me would whine, but there's not very much going for FPTP besides it being simple. FPTP promotes moderation in politics, and limits the range of acceptable political ideologies in a given system. It's why, say, UKIP isn't more popular. It screws fringe leftist/rightist parties and generally produces either two or three mostly centrist parties. Which is great, the entire system is build upon slow, moderate change in one direction or another and I have no problem with more radical candidates being effectively shut out of the political process.
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Radish posted:Feeling bad for Steele is like feeling bad for Boehnor because he has to deal with the Tea Party. Don't. Strip out all the horrible social conservative stuff and they are still trying to regress the country to a pre-FDR standard for labor where children have to work in schools if they can't afford meals and you can fire a woman for being pregnant since that affects your bottom line. Having someone who can at least be somewhat reasoned and bargained with is a good thing even if they are against basic parts of your platform. Yes, never stop pressing the issue towards the right solution rather than the politely expedient, but if you can get something that can help people now go for it. Admittedly, the Republicans trending back to 90s west coast Republicans is still not placing them in a good place, but it's a poo poo ton better than fanatics burning poo poo to the ground.
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The Iron Rose posted:FPTP promotes moderation in politics, and limits the range of acceptable political ideologies in a given system. It's why, say, UKIP isn't more popular. It screws fringe leftist/rightist parties and generally produces either two or three mostly centrist parties. This is all well and good until you have the modern Republican Party as one of your two "moderate" parties.
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quote:Cary Sharp told the station he and others they thought it would be funny to sit in a circle and suck each other off. quote:Cary Sharp told the station he and others they thought it would be funny to load a revolver and play russian roulette. quote:Cary Sharp told the station he and others they thought it would be funny to buy gas canisters and exterminate some Jews.
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Enos Shenk posted:This supposed KKK leak is just bizarre. I live in Ft. Wayne Indiana, and 2 of the names on there live here. I could totally believe it of Dan Coats, the guy is a Grade A piece of poo poo. But Mayor Tom Henry is a democrat and doesn't seem to be a shitlord at all. Without some of the people on the list admitting to and/or screaming denials about their presence on the list, I'm not sure there's a way to confirm or deny the names on the list as of right now. I'd imagine larger news orgs will probably dive into the list or pull some connections with actual KKK members (undercover or otherwise) to check if the list is real. As of right now, it's not legit, but it's probably also not not legit.
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The Iron Rose posted:FPTP promotes moderation in politics, and limits the range of acceptable political ideologies in a given system. It's why, say, UKIP isn't more popular. It screws fringe leftist/rightist parties and generally produces either two or three mostly centrist parties. Funny I posted my call for moderation right after, but there's a lot to be said for the necessity of radical voices to drive the conversation in that direction. If those are stamped out, you basically get a lazy political class who have no major differences on policy and require extreme measures to result in changes. It's why America always does the right thing only after it's tried everything else. Plus from a voter standpoint, feeling like you're throwing your vote away is killer for participation.
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Brigadier Sockface posted:Politics junkies are more interested in the Mississippi Attorney General race. Oh goddam, I knew it was bad in my state but I didn't realize it was *that* bad across the board. I really am on a sinking ship aren't I?
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Trabisnikof posted:Just a Halloween Prank here, nothing racist or sinister about it! It's a harmless joke! Just like when James O'Keefe wire tapped a sitting senator's office.
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Yah, but isn't voting for Hillary like electing your hillbilly drunken grandmaw President? YAEHAW, MAW KETTLE FOR PREZZIDENT! E:Cuz Arkansaw, maaan. Kinda like Squidbillies. Earl = Bill Clinton. zimboe fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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greatn posted:Oklahoma Mayor apologizes as her husband dresses as a KKK member for Halloween.
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NorgLyle posted:There's a bit in one of Penn Jillette's books where he decides to be all anti commercial for Halloween one year and makes a 'ghost' costume for himself by cutting eye holes in a sheet Charlie Brown style and doesn't look at himself in a mirror until he arrives at his daughter's school and has the staff staring at him in absolute horror. Then he finally notices...
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Lessig admits that he would need a time machine to qualify for the debates and suspends his campaign.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4IsqmMqCEo He should have run an earlier campaign promising to create a time machine because then, when he was elected, it just would have happened.
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Nov 2, 2015 18:45
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greatn posted:When they have votes in Alabama legislature it doesn't even break down as democrat vs Republican anymore. It's black vs white. The few white democrats remaining just vote with the Republicans. And those Democrats likely have their days numbered as White=GOP Black= Democrats becomes more entrenched. It makes gerrymandering interesting. The usual cover given is that drawing boundaries based on party is (for some goddamn reason) OK. That becomes less defensible as party affiliation becomes nearly completely divided based upon race.
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Is there any traction behind the anonymous leaks? Dan Coats was listed as a possible KKK member and yet I have heard next to nothing in response to such a startling revelation.
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Shifty Pony posted:And those Democrats likely have their days numbered as White=GOP Black= Democrats becomes more entrenched. It's endemic to the South and it creates a situation where it even behooves the Dems to maintain the gerrymandered status quo for fear of losing their seats as opposed to trying to fight and shave away at some of the Republican districts as the cost of potentially risking their own.
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Spiffster posted:Is there any traction behind the anonymous leaks? Dan Coats was listed as a possible KKK member and yet I have heard next to nothing in response to such a startling revelation. No news organization is going to run a story with that accusation based on an anonymous internet post, so unless there's independent verification don't expect much.
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Joementum posted:No news organization is going to run a story with that accusation based on an anonymous internet post, so unless there's independent verification don't expect much. Then what was the point in releasing something that can just be hand waved away so easily? Anon usually does a better job then this when they do have their mind set to do something. This just seems a little off and somewhat pointless.
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Joementum posted:No news organization is going to run a story with that accusation based on an anonymous internet post, so unless there's independent verification don't expect much. Counterpoint: Ashley Madison hacks, so...
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Raerlynn posted:Counterpoint: Ashley Madison hacks, so...
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Spiffster posted:Then what was the point in releasing something that can just be hand waved away so easily? Anon usually does a better job then this when they do have their mind set to do something. This just seems a little off and somewhat pointless. Anonymous is, obviously, loosely organized, and has no real control over the name. Any jackanape can claim they are doing its work.
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Nov 2, 2015 19:00
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Quote of the day, “The main thing I would say is that nothing’s free. If someone offers you something for free, treat it as if they’re offering you heroin and think about the repercussions of what is free and what is a drug, an addicting drug like heroin and the ramifications of that. There’s nothing free. It just means somebody else is gonna pay for it, you don’t see them. So the plumber, the welder, the carpenter, the people who don’t go to college are being asked to pay for your education.” ~ Rand Paul, on public education.
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Nov 2, 2015 19:01
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My god he's right, I'm addicted.... to education!!!
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “The main thing I would say is that nothing’s free. If someone offers you something for free, treat it as if they’re offering you heroin and think about the repercussions of what is free and what is a drug, an addicting drug like heroin and the ramifications of that. There’s nothing free. It just means somebody else is gonna pay for it, you don’t see them. So the plumber, the welder, the carpenter, the people who don’t go to college are being asked to pay for your education.” ~ Rand Paul, on public education. Shut up Rand.
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The Aardvark posted:Shut up Rand. No no no,please let him keep talking. Just so long as someone has a mic or camera that is.
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Nov 2, 2015 19:06
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*scratches arm* hey...hey man. you got a book? it doesn't have to be too heady, just a few chapters to get me through the day
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “The main thing I would say is that nothing’s free. If someone offers you something for free, treat it as if they’re offering you heroin and think about the repercussions of what is free and what is a drug, an addicting drug like heroin and the ramifications of that. There’s nothing free. It just means somebody else is gonna pay for it, you don’t see them. So the plumber, the welder, the carpenter, the people who don’t go to college are being asked to pay for your education.” ~ Rand Paul, on public education. This just in, Rand Paul hates freedom.
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Louisvillian here. I'm utterly terrified about the election tomorrow because literally no one I know is even aware of it. Conway's campaign did something really smart and posted huge "VOTE!" signs in the most liberal strongholds (I.e. Bardstown Rd), but otherwise, I got one reminder from the ground game and I'm not even 100% convinced it wasn't just some guy in the neighborhood and not a campaign volunteer. I've got a really bad feeling about this. I hope people are right about Kentucky being demmycrat territory, but after the Kim Davis shitshow, I just don't know. Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “The main thing I would say is that nothing’s free. If someone offers you something for free, treat it as if they’re offering you heroin and think about the repercussions of what is free and what is a drug, an addicting drug like heroin and the ramifications of that. There’s nothing free. It just means somebody else is gonna pay for it, you don’t see them. So the plumber, the welder, the carpenter, the people who don’t go to college are being asked to pay for your education.” ~ Rand Paul, on public education. I wonder what the first five minutes sounded like.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:My god he's right, I'm addicted.... to education!!!
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “The main thing I would say is that nothing’s free. If someone offers you something for free, treat it as if they’re offering you heroin and think about the repercussions of what is free and what is a drug, an addicting drug like heroin and the ramifications of that. There’s nothing free. It just means somebody else is gonna pay for it, you don’t see them. So the plumber, the welder, the carpenter, the people who don’t go to college are being asked to pay for your education.” ~ Rand Paul, on public education. So he's saying churches are heroin pushers?
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Wouldn't a truly liberated job market blur the line between skilled labor and intellectual labor? Like engineers who get their hands dirty. Seems like a good argument for carte blanche education. Get certified as plumber/electrician to make some money out of high school - study hydraulics or whatever and learn how to build more sophisticated things at your own pace.
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Xelkelvos posted:So he's saying churches are heroin pushers? Worse, he's a heroin pusher himself. http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2014/05/27/rand-paul-eye-surgery-ophthalmologist/
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Joementum posted:Lessig admits that he would need a time machine to qualify for the debates and suspends his campaign. Larry Lessig gives new meaning to the term "Harvard Professor" slimier to the way Ben Carson gives a new meaning to "brain surgeon"
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