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Shaocaholica posted:So how can I get a hold of the cassette textures from TPP? Are the dumped textures out there or would I have to dump my own? Like this one?  A texture dump: https://imgur.com/a/s3cbW
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Chapter 3 is called Peace, which is in direct opposition to Big Boss' world of constant warfare, so we will never get it. Deep.
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Nov 2, 2015 12:43
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Shaocaholica posted:I wonder if these voice actors know what they're getting into with Kojima... the hamburgers of kazuhira miller: origins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrlQhklDjIs
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Robin Atkin Downes certainly knew what to expect, Kaz was a goofball in Peace Walker so it's not unfamiliar to him.
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Nov 2, 2015 14:42
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The guy who voiced code talker played vega in the street fighter movie. I doubt he gave a poo poo.
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Nov 2, 2015 15:32
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ThomasPaine posted:Frustrated the hell out of me. Every time I would be listening to some cool lore related tape and just at an interesting bit some jackass would call me and remind me to mark enemies or some other obvious thing then I'd have to go back into the idroid, rewind, then set it going again, then inevitably repeat after thirty seconds when it happened again. Would it really have been so hard to be able to set the tapes to auto-pause during codec calls or something? This is why I only listened to them in the ACC while doing base/staff/development management. You can still multitask without interruptions. Plus when I'm sneaking around I need to listen for anything that indicates enemy presence.
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Nov 2, 2015 16:02
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There's a cutscene where Code Talker tells Venom to keep an eye on Miller all the while some glowing stuff is in the air. What's that about? What does it lead to?
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Vikar Jerome posted:The guy who voiced code talker played vega in the street fighter movie. I doubt he gave a poo poo. Raul Julia isn't dead!?!? Yes, I know, I know. 
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Shaocaholica posted:There's a cutscene where Code Talker tells Venom to keep an eye on Miller all the while some glowing stuff is in the air. What's that about? What does it lead to? I was convinced Miller was the traitor since the start, but it never really went that way. Either it refers to the fact he had a talk with Zero or it's foreshadowing to cut content or maybe it's something to do with how he acts like he can see eventhough he looks blind.
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Shaocaholica posted:There's a cutscene where Code Talker tells Venom to keep an eye on Miller all the while some glowing stuff is in the air. What's that about? What does it lead to? Nothing and I assume that's more chapter 3 stuff that got cut. The floating things are apparently mind-reading parasites. LOL Miller was already the traitor in Peace Walker and he even says it after you rescue him. His desire for revenge against Skull Face is real. The things I wonder are: - Why is Miller still bent on revenge against Zero even after he finds out the attack on MSF was done by Skull Face and that Zero had nothing to do with it? - If Big Boss knew that Kaz was a traitor, why would he rescue and trust him with another round of the same poo poo? Elephant Ambush fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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Or it's about Miller's hamburger thing. EDIT: Apparently Miller has a daughter at some point, despite being rendered infertile by the WOLBACHIA during the VOCAL CHORD PARASITE OUTBREAK. Also his eyes look like those of parasite people? gently caress this game. NeilPerry fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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Nov 2, 2015 19:27
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Urgh. How many cut scenes, tapes and dialog refer to cut content? Also, when did Miller lose his arm and leg? During the destruction of MB in GZ or in Afghanistan during TPP???
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diamond dog posted:Like this one? Thanks. I'm trying to find out how many different types of Sony tapes they used. I don't think they're all BHF46s. I'm a tape nerd.
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Nov 2, 2015 19:35
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Shaocaholica posted:Urgh. How many cut scenes, tapes and dialog refer to cut content? IIRC it was during the torture he received after getting captured and taken to Afghanistan
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NeilPerry posted:Or it's about Miller's hamburger thing. Kojima retcons poo poo all the time, this isn't anything new. Miller having a daughter was from the MG2 manual, when Miller was still an elderly Asian man and not a blonde caucasian who wore big aviators so who knows how much of that is still reliable. Shaocaholica posted:Urgh. How many cut scenes, tapes and dialog refer to cut content? He lost his arm and leg when he was captured just before you rescue him in TPP.
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Elephant Ambush posted:IIRC it was during the torture he received after getting captured and taken to Afghanistan ChaosArgate posted:He lost his arm and leg when he was captured just before you rescue him in TPP. Well that kind of makes it less personal. I mean, its still Cipher in both cases but wouldn't it make for better story if it was during GZ? Is there evidence it was in TPP?
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ChaosArgate posted:Kojima retcons poo poo all the time, this isn't anything new. Miller having a daughter was from the MG2 manual, when Miller was still an elderly Asian man and not a blonde caucasian who wore big aviators so who knows how much of that is still reliable. The daughter could be adopted or a step-daughter. It's better to have Miller lose the limbs in TPP because the LUST FOR REVENGE is fresh and intense.
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Miller has all of his limbs in the hospital scene, so it's definitely after GZ. It would be pretty fitting if he lost them because the real Big Boss wasn't willing to stick his neck out to rescue him right away, and waited for Venom to wake up / get acclimated instead.
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Elephant Ambush posted:The daughter could be adopted or a step-daughter. I thought it could have been that too, but I checked Metal Gear Wiki and apparently it said he "fathered" a daughter, so I doubt he adopted in that case. Again though, take with a grain of salt because Miller's wife and daughter has never been important so for all we know, they might not even exist.
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I assume that Miller lost his limbs in the Skull attack, not to the torture, just because he has such a specific hatred for the Skulls and also because they wield machetes. As for his blindness, I think that happened because he lost his sunglasses. If you look at his portrait in Peace Walker, you can see he has the same pale eyes that he does in The Phantom Pain, so I think he had some kind of previously unmentioned eye condition that required him to permanently wear sunglasses to protect his overly sensitive eyes. When he lost his glasses during the attack, he had no way of protecting his eyes and suffered vision damage.
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Wait, doesn't Miller say "We all lost something that day" when talking to Huey in TPP. I thought that was supposed to refer to his limbs. In the TPP cutscene of a flashback to MB being destroyed, you see some MSF soldiers carry Miller to a helicopter with what looks like wounds to his legs thus needing to be carried. Maybe that cutscene is in GZ as well since its a flashback. Just re-watching TPP cutscenes it seems like Miller is referring to losing his limbs as something that happened in the past and not just recently in Afghanistan. vvv Good catch. My theory negated by the loving fiddle scene vvv Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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Nov 2, 2015 20:17
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Miller lost his home and family at the end of GZ. You can see in the helicopter that Miller still has his limbs when shouting about being played like a drat fiddle, which came after he was escorted to the helicopter by two MSF soldiers. Related, he refuses advanced prosthetics in TPP because he wants to live with his phantom pain as a reminder of what he's lost until he feels his fallen comrades have been avenged.
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ayn rand hand job posted:the timeline is something like this: Yeah, we have an unreliable narrator, as at some point they would have had to spend days to weeks to months reconditioning Venom with BB's memories. I'm guessing Medic awoke from his coma much earlier, and they began the reconditioning, then induced an artificial coma to keep up appearances. poo poo, when Medic woke up, they might have asked his permission to carry out the plan, making BB less of a cowardly villian.
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There absolutely was an artificial nature to the coma because they specifically mention rousing him up ahead of the planned time.
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When you hear audio of a woman saying 'V has come to', is that just supposed to be one of the spy nurses at the hospital or a main MGS character? edit: Also, I take it that in TPP when you hear 'V has come to' in multiple voices it signifies that the message was relayed through multiple people on its way to Cipher? Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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ChaosArgate posted:Miller lost his home and family at the end of GZ. You can see in the helicopter that Miller still has his limbs when shouting about being played like a drat fiddle, which came after he was escorted to the helicopter by two MSF soldiers. Related, he refuses advanced prosthetics in TPP because he wants to live with his phantom pain as a reminder of what he's lost until he feels his fallen comrades have been avenged. More importantly, by Miller's own standards, he lost his business. I'd like to remind everyone that Miller is literally a war profiteer and MSF/DD are basically Blackwater. He's also a paranoid torturer who literally turns Mother Base into a 1984 dystopia in chapter 2. He's way worse than Big Boss.
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Elephant Ambush posted:More importantly, by Miller's own standards, he lost his business. Because of quiet and Huey torture? Huey is guilty as gently caress. Quiet's a double/triple cipher agent, you can't deny that. It's not like his actions are without reason.
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Shaocaholica posted:edit: Also, I take it that in TPP when you hear 'V has come to' in multiple voices it signifies that the message was relayed through multiple people on its way to Cipher? Yeah but it's from Cipher to Kaz, since that's the code phrase they agreed on for when "Big Boss" woke up.
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grancheater posted:Yeah but it's from Cipher to Kaz, since that's the code phrase they agreed on for when "Big Boss" woke up. Where does that come from? GZ? PW? Also, is Battle Gear cut? There's one cutscene about it IIRC. Can you send it out on dispatch missions?
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Shaocaholica posted:Where does that come from? GZ? PW? Truth tapes, I think. Battle Gear was cut in the sense that you can't bring it out on the field, but you can use it for select dispatch missions and only them.
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WTF was Skull Face's plan again? Make ST-84s, sell them to PFs(?) Allow PFs to easily acquire nukes Control nukes with bacteria he can activate ?remotely? English VCP? There's so many different pieces going on here.
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SUCH A LUST FOR A COHERENT PLOT
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Well at least MGS2 had one mcguffin right?
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Shaocaholica posted:Because of quiet and Huey torture? Huey is guilty as gently caress. Quiet's a double/triple cipher agent, you can't deny that. It's not like his actions are without reason. Uhhhh torture is always wrong no matter what and if you watched any of those torture scenes and thought "haha awesome they deserve it" then you are human garbage 
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Shaocaholica posted:WTF was Skull Face's plan again? Step 1: Scare the world by giving the Soviets the ST-84 Step 2: Kill off the English language, destroying the Western lingua franca and plunging the world into chaos Step 3: Sell nukes that he can disable via satellite. Step 4: Kick back and relax as the Western world dies and he is rich as gently caress.
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Skull Face wanted to ensure no one could encroach on other's cultures so he would wipe out the English language, then give everyone access to nukes via mass produced Sallys. This is to ensure a form of MAD. Skull Face is an idiot because English wasn't the main thing that allowed conquerors to dominate other cultures, but violence was. Violence also happens to be a pretty universal way to communicate so shutting down the most common verbal language in the world isn't going to do jack poo poo. He is enabling violence though, so he's kind of working against his own goals there.
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Skull Face may be relying on deterrence for the anti-violence part of the plan, though he obviously knows how effective that can be.
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I don't doubt that he's really hoping for the deterrence part to actually work, but there's something to be said about trying to stop violence by giving everyone the tools to be violent.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Uhhhh torture is always wrong no matter what and if you watched any of those torture scenes and thought "haha awesome they deserve it" then you are human garbage Here's how I see it. Kojima wants you to pity Huey (on the surface) because hes a scrawny, whiny paraplegic but really hes a traitor and a murderer. gently caress him. Quiet is super human. Aint no thing to her. Did you pity NS when he was tortured in MGS3? The Boss didn't. Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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ChaosArgate posted:I don't doubt that he's really hoping for the deterrence part to actually work, but there's something to be said about trying to stop violence by giving everyone the tools to be violent. 'One sword can keep another in sheath' - A guy who absolutely was not full of poo poo
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