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idonotlikepeas
May 29, 2010

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PopeCrunch posted:

gently caress YOU AND YOUR loving GODDAMNED PIECE OF poo poo rear end NUGGET I DIDN'T WANT IT ANYWAY

That loving nugget. Although people here had more trouble with the vase.

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Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Wayne posted:

Edit: v Yeah, seriously. Just to put this in perspective, both the guys I quoted are older than Auron....

Somehow Tidus convinced me that Auron was 40+ despite the fact that we see him in his 20s on Braska' pilgrimage. Ageism. :argh:

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

How old is Auron?

His official profile lists him as 35, but there's extenuating circumstances that make age kind of invalid. :ghost:

sleepy.eyes
Sep 14, 2007

Like a pig in a chute.
Edit: ^^^ Nailed it. Hah.

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

How old is Auron?

If Lulu is 20 or whatever, I'm guessing he's 35.

Xenocides
Jan 14, 2008

This world looks very scary....


Wayne posted:

Old-timers must be having a senior moment, you have to take the ship to Melmond. :smug:

We walked over the corpses of the sharks and sahuagin we killed to get there.

PopeCrunch
Feb 13, 2004

internets

idonotlikepeas posted:

That loving nugget. Although people here had more trouble with the vase.

Oh my god that loving vase. (Thanks for the link, haven't played advent.exe in yonks)

Vil
Sep 10, 2011

33 here!

The young whippersnapper goons may share our enjoyment of FF9 so long as they provide cookies and remember Doctor Tot.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
I'm 27, but I look more like 40.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
I'm 30 but have the emotional maturity of 20 :v:

Plavski
Feb 1, 2006

I could be a revolutionary
Being 32 gives me a unique perspective on life. This is what we old people have to tell ourselves to stop from weeping for our lost youths, anyway.

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.
I imagine people in their 70s and 80s would have a thing or two to say about people in their 30s who complain about being old.

Ramc
May 4, 2008

Bringing your thread to a screeching halt, guaranteed.

Plavski posted:

Being 32 gives me a unique perspective on life. This is what we old people have to tell ourselves to stop from weeping for our lost youths, anyway.

Also, yes. In JRPG years we are all ancient and grizzled. At 3, my kid is 2 years out from being an appropriately aged JRPG protagonist.

FeyerbrandX
Oct 9, 2012

Xenocides posted:

We walked over the corpses of the sharks and sahuagin we killed to get there.

Or used the dynamite to blast ourselves over the mountain range instead of blowing it up.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.






Oh, you mean about Burmecia? I heard they were attacked by an army of soldiers wearing pointy hats. I wanna go fight on the frontline. Instead, I'm rotting away in this stinkin' place.
Really? I don't like wars. Why would someone start a war...?



No... I don't think so.
But weren't you the one who thought he was suspicious?
You know me! I'm always like that. I'm telling you, people who eat pickles are nice people. I envy them. Gysahl pickles are the only pickles I can't eat.





WELCOME TO DISC 2, PEOPLE.





The conductor said we'll be arriving at the Summiy Station soon.





She's sleeping...



(Queen Brahne would never start a war... It's all a misunderstanding. She will see that when she talks to the queen.)



Oh Steiner, ever the loyalist. In case you had any doubts about Steiner's single-minded dedication to his duty, which you probably didn't, the game takes another opportunity to beat you over the head with it, much like Steiner does with every person he meets.



-----



Take care.



How long will it be?
It arrives when this car returns to Bohden Station, so...about as long as you just spent in the car. Why don't you go wait in the rest area up ahead?
Okay.



P-Princess...
Hey, what did I say about-



Really...?



We're home...! But I still can't see the castle.



Hey, are you making fun of me for being naive?
N-No, I'm not...
It's okay. Let's go.

I like this bit here. Steiner obviously has a high regard for Alexandria, and that includes all of it. Dagger's too sheltered to really understand, but Steiner's loyalty isn't just for the castle and the royal family, but for the entire land that Alexandria covers. This entire region is his homeland, and he loves every square inch of it.

It's a nice character touch for a giant goofy oblivious buffoon.



Also we now have control of our characters and can deck them out. Unlike last time, we'll been spending a good bit of time with Dagger and Steiner, so it's not a bad idea to deck them out.

From my current armor selection, I can have Steiner learn Add Status (though I don't have any swords yet that inflict status effects) and can teach Dagger Scan from the Desert Boots.



We're also finally at the point where Dagger will actually start learning passives. In addition to Antibody and Jelly, Dagger can learn Chemist, which doubles effectiveness of all healing items. It's...pretty underwhelming since Dagger's Cure spell already outclasses the hell out of Potions, but it's not like she has anything else to invest in right now.



We're currently at the halfway point between Lindblum and Alexandria. Kind of surprising a podunk town like Dali is listed on this thing, to be honest.





There's not many people here except people utterly obsessed with cable cars. Let's plead ignorance about cable cars.

The Berkmea cable cars were built 8 years ago. They are a symbol of the friendship between Lindblum and Alexandria! They are powered by Mist engines, invented in Lindblum. The cars work by pulling on each other. When one car is at the bottom of the mountain, the other is at the top.

OK FINE SHUT UP I KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT CABLE CARS NOW.

Good! Why not go to the rest area?



I wanted to stay by his side, but I have my work, too.



This place isn't that rowdy, unless you consider having identical twins sitting around being pretty rowdy.





Seen here: Steiner gathering information by staring at a wall. Brilliant tactician to the end.





I'm never gonna fall in love! It's just not worth it...



Free Kupo Nut if you managed to give up the one you had beforehand. You can only hold one of these at a time, remember.



Also more moogle mail.



We don't actually need a map since the path is pretty straightforward but alright.





But the gate's broken right now; the airships can't pass through.

I'm not making poo poo up here. The game actually uses a semicolon here. Yes, I know. Yes, really. You have to trust me on this.



What's the special?

Ah, yes! You gotta try our famous bundt cake! The perfect gift for the family! Take one home today for your loved ones! It's the world-famous South Gate Bundt Cake!

OK OK shut up how's business?

Business is good! It's always busy here.





Some new weapons for Dagger, plus a chance to grab some stuff in case you didn't think to buy stuff for Dagger and Steiner in advance.



Also another chance to stock up on Steepled Hats to do our favorite money-making method once again.



Air Racket sucks since the only new spell it teaches is Scan, with Dagger's boots can also teach. Silence and especially Life are handy to have right now, though.



TRAIN STOPPING NOISES



The car to Lindblum just departed.



...? That voice sounds familiar.



Remember Tantalus? Remember Dr. Tater? Wait, you don't?



How the heck should I know...? You were the one who wanted to watch the scenery while eating South Gate Bundt Cake.
I'm gonna be late returning to Lindblum...
There's nothing we can do. I won't tell the boss.
Thanks, buddy!



Geez...

Are you actually good at anything Cinna, even in battle you're pathetically weak.







Who's the big tin man?
WHAT!? How dare you!
He's the captain of the Knights of Pluto.



Grrr...! Have you no respect?

Steiner being Steiner.



Princess!? What are YOU doing here?
Hey, check it out! It's the princess.





Those two screenshots pop up when talking to Cinna or Marcus, so to shut up Steiner we're gonna need to scold him like the whipped puppy that he is.





Can't I even talk to my friends?
Friends!? But they're...



He's bein' scolded.
How embarrassing.



It's here!
But you're goin' to Lindblum.
I-I know that! But you're going to Alexandria!
Yeah, I'm heading to Treno.
I'll see you off!



Let's go, Steiner.





Now that Dagger has made Steiner pout and cry, let's go do more plot by following Cinna and Marcus.



Yeah. I'll save our bro!



Say, why is Marcus going to Treno?
Are you going to Treno, too? Marcus's got a deal in Treno.
A deal...?



You'd better get on the car.



Fine I'll advance the plot.





To save our brother.
Who?



Remember, Marcus and Blank are BFF's. If you read the supplementary materials you'd loving know that (and probably wouldn't be reading a Let's Play on the game instead, so thanks for being ignorant about Final Fantasies).

We've been gathering info to cure his petrification.



Soft already exists to cure petrificaiton, so let's just have a more potent version exist to be even more awesome. Where's the Superphoenixdown by the way?



Cinna's going to the Tantalus hideout in Lindblum to tell the others.
I see...
It's my turn for questions.
Yes?





Got rid of him as soon as he got you to Lindblum, huh?





...Yeah, you're not fooling anyone, Dagger. Between the way she talks about him and her body language (turning away as soon as he's mentioned, then turning back in anger when Marcus says she used him, and of course shaking her head incredulously), it's obvious there's still something there.



And Marcus is still a total bro to his (former) Tantalus buddy.



Dagger can talk to people some more, but I forgot to talk to the other two and go back to bugging Marcus.



Help with what?
Well... I was partly responsible for what happened, so...
No, thanks. We'll be fine on our own.
But wouldn't it be better if-

CAR BRAKING, MUSIC CUTS OFF







It's a demon! A demon with a pointy hat!!!
A pointy hat!?











Look who's back!



Isn't that the one we saw on the cargo ship?



Wait, Steiner!



Princess, it's too dangerous! Please stand back!
Mission...retreieve...princess...alive...
It's no use! It doesn't understand!
But-







Time for our first battle of Disc 2!



A rematch against Black Waltz 3! Since the guy's a bit beat up, it's not as bad this time.





You know what's nice against a boss that mainly casts magic? Shell. Too bad it wears off very quickly, like two attacks from the guy.



Not too shabby, at least.



Rememeber, the Tantalus crew can also steal. Marcus doesn't have the passives Zidane has to make stealing less of a pain, though. This is the common steal.





The only new move Black Waltz 3 has is Freeze, which inflicts the Freeze effect. If a character is hit with a physical attack while frozen, they instantly die. Not a huge issue since the Black Waltz only uses physical attacks rarely, plus it uses the fire spell sometimes and that heals the effect. Also the Black Waltz once again doesn't target Dagger, so she's free to cast Life.



And it misses anyway so it's all moot.



The only new item here is the Semi-Rare steal, the Flame Staff. It teaches Fira and Sleep. Vivi has way too many weapons to learn things from now.

The Uncommon steal is another Lightning Staff.



Otherwise, the guy has lowish HP and hits from Marcus and Steiner combined with Dagger's healing make this fight pretty easy.



Marcus landed the killing blow so here's him celebrating with a sexy stance.

ENGINE NOISES



What did he want with me?
Princess...



...I know.
Those mages wiped out the people of Burmecia...



Who would do such a thing?





Steiner, still as oblivious as ever.



Princess?

"Oh, it's that scoundrel Zidane, right? I knew never to trust that rogue!"



I must go to the castle and see my mother...



Next time, we ditch all that in favor of a bunch of optional crap instead.

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received
The BW #3 rematch has some weird quirks but don't worry I caught 'em in the level 1 playthrough.

Bad Seafood
Dec 10, 2010


If you must blink, do it now.
Steiner is the best character.

Also IIRC not only will Black Waltz No. 3 not target the princess, should he drop Steiner and Marcus he'll actually have an aneurysm and cause damage to himself because his mission to retrieve Garnet conflicts with his desire to murder everything in the immediate vicinity. Eventually it'll even kill him so you cannot lose this battle.

Kanfy posted:

I imagine people in their 70s and 80s would have a thing or two to say about people in their 30s who complain about being old.
It's a JRPG (thread), 30 is ancient.

Xenocides
Jan 14, 2008

This world looks very scary....


I love the disc intro of two soldiers just chatting. Has a very Shakespeare vibe about it.

Also, the SuperPhoenixDown was used on Aeris after the Sephiroth "incident". It didn't work because she loved Zach more then Cloud and fangirls cried.

Squarely Circle
Jul 28, 2010

things worsen and worsen
Yeah, the exchange between the guards is one of my favorite little things. This game has the best NPCs :3:

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Bad Seafood posted:

Steiner is the best character.

Also IIRC not only will Black Waltz No. 3 not target the princess, should he drop Steiner and Marcus he'll actually have an aneurysm and cause damage to himself because his mission to retrieve Garnet conflicts with his desire to murder everything in the immediate vicinity. Eventually it'll even kill him so you cannot lose this battle.

Could you in theory lose if steiner and marcus team up and teamkill dagger before they get downed?

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Bad Seafood posted:

Also IIRC not only will Black Waltz No. 3 not target the princess, should he drop Steiner and Marcus he'll actually have an aneurysm and cause damage to himself because his mission to retrieve Garnet conflicts with his desire to murder everything in the immediate vicinity. Eventually it'll even kill him so you cannot lose this battle.

Yeah, if Garnet's the only target left, he will literally hit himself in the face until he dies.

Also, the Superphoenixdown is the Phoenix Pinion, obviously. :colbert:

FoolyCharged posted:

Could you in theory lose if steiner and marcus team up and teamkill dagger before they get downed?

If you were that dedicated to losing, I suppose?

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

I'm angry that you forgot to unequip the silk and magic robes from team Zidane, mostly because I always forget to as well.

Bad Seafood
Dec 10, 2010


If you must blink, do it now.

FoolyCharged posted:

Could you in theory lose if steiner and marcus team up and teamkill dagger before they get downed?
While I've never tested it personally, yes, I imagine you would lose if you deliberately sabotaged yourself.

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

In a lot of ways, it's the game throwing you a bone here.

Remember, the last bit of combat you did was fightinggetting schooled by Beatrix, and the last time you even used Steiner and Dagger was back in the last Black Waltz 3 fight, unless you saw the pressing need to wander out of Lindblum early. (Can you even do that?)

It's very possible that the two of them are underequipped, and you might figure you'll be running into random encounters before a surprise plot boss.

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
It's also really the first fight where Dagger is kind of useless since the boss barely puts out any damage to heal and she doesn't have enough MP for summons. I mean to be fair she's only had one other boss fight before this (Black Waltz 2).

MarquiseMindfang
Jan 6, 2013

vriska (vriska)

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

The BW #3 rematch has some weird quirks but don't worry I caught 'em in the level 1 playthrough.

Oh good, you pre-empted me! I was gonna talk about that. I'll hush now though.

Krumbsthumbs
Oct 23, 2010

2nd Place.
1st Loser.

ApplesandOranges posted:

It's also really the first fight where Dagger is kind of useless since the boss barely puts out any damage to heal and she doesn't have enough MP for summons. I mean to be fair she's only had one other boss fight before this (Black Waltz 2).

The odd thing is if you picked up the racket at the base of the mountain that Mega missed she can be your biggest damage dealer in this fight. I think you might have a wind boosting accessory or armor at this point, and all racket weapons deal wind damage. She should hit about 200-250 damage a pop.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

KataraniSword posted:

In a lot of ways, it's the game throwing you a bone here.

Remember, the last bit of combat you did was fightinggetting schooled by Beatrix, and the last time you even used Steiner and Dagger was back in the last Black Waltz 3 fight, unless you saw the pressing need to wander out of Lindblum early. (Can you even do that?)

It's very possible that the two of them are underequipped, and you might figure you'll be running into random encounters before a surprise plot boss.

Yeah if you're playing the game normally, Dagger and Steiner are probably still in the single digit levels at this point.

FinalGamer
Aug 30, 2012

So the mystic script says.
That entire little segment of South Gate Part 2: The Southening is pretty much a great compact example of why I love this game. Pointlessly interesting NPC conversations, small moments of good body language and dialogue along with a very interesting fight in terms of mechanical integration to the consistency of the story.

Rabbi Raccoon
Mar 31, 2009

I stabbed you dude!
I love this segment. You get to the best town in the game and it's fantastic theme, it's got some funny moments, and it still drives the main plot forward.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

KataraniSword posted:

Remember, the last bit of combat you did was fightinggetting schooled by Beatrix, and the last time you even used Steiner and Dagger was back in the last Black Waltz 3 fight, unless you saw the pressing need to wander out of Lindblum early. (Can you even do that?)

Dagger is available after Evil Forest and usable until the end of the Black Waltz #2 fight, so she's around for a bit, at least.

When you sit down and think about it, you barely get a chance to Steiner. He's available from Evil Forest to right outside of Dali and two boss fights afterwards.

And if you can leave Lindblum early, you can't do so with either of them in the party.

Plavski
Feb 1, 2006

I could be a revolutionary


Yup, that sure does say "Lindbulm".

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Plavski posted:



Yup, that sure does say "Lindbulm".

Now I'm wondering if that picture was done by the same art team responsible for the intro video. In both cases "Lindblum" has this glaring typo.

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

I could swear we've had this conversation before. :confused:

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.

AlphaKretin posted:

I could swear we've had this conversation before. :confused:

We sure did.

Bregor
May 31, 2013

People are idiots, Leslie.

Mega64 posted:

The conductor said we'll be arriving at the Summiy Station soon.

Minor typo for Summit Station

Chaeden
Sep 10, 2012

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

Somehow Tidus convinced me that Auron was 40+ despite the fact that we see him in his 20s on Braska' pilgrimage. Ageism. :argh:

Auron RAISED Tidus apparently after his death. He may be 35 but he feels like he's 60 and is going gray after that. Amazing how Tidus can suck the life out of a dead man with his mere presence.

Manic_Misanthrope
Jul 1, 2010


Chaeden posted:

Auron RAISED Tidus apparently after his death. He may be 35 but he feels like he's 60 and is going gray after that. Amazing how Tidus can suck the life out of a dead man with his mere presence.

Adoptive single parent of a sports star with serious daddy issues and a dead mom. Ouch.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Chaeden posted:

Auron RAISED Tidus apparently after his death. He may be 35 but he feels like he's 60 and is going gray after that. Amazing how Tidus can suck the life out of a dead man with his mere presence.

Manic_Misanthrope posted:

Adoptive single parent of a sports star with serious daddy issues and a dead mom. Ouch.

No wonder Auron carries a jug of hard liquor.

Bufuman
Jun 15, 2013

Sleep in the briefing room.
At your own peril.
You'd think Tidus would be more grateful for his lot in life. He gets to yell "No, gently caress YOU!" at TWO dads!

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EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.
Except one just laughs at that and one-ups him in return and the other doesn't care so it doesn't have any effect.

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