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Skull Face wanting to kill off any language is funny because his favorite thing in the world is theatrical monologuing.
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Surlaw posted:Skull Face wanting to kill off any language is funny because his favorite thing in the world is theatrical monologuing. I've said it before Skullface is Dr Weird from ATHF
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Nov 2, 2015 22:53
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ayn rand hand job posted:I've said it before WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Nov 2, 2015 23:00
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Josuke Higashikata posted:There absolutely was an artificial nature to the coma because they specifically mention rousing him up ahead of the planned time. I wonder if Ocelot got fed a line in that respect (or is bullshitting Big Boss), as in no way was the Medic "already dead" after the crash. Big Boss was in worse shape despite the Medic's injuries. Zero clearly made his condition worse in order to shape him into Venom. The interesting thing is Kaz would be the one who knows this, because Kaz was there and the least-injured man present. So he'd have known that his buddy the Medic was most certainly alive and conscious the last time he saw him 9 years ago, and realize what that would mean.
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Nov 2, 2015 23:24
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What was Skullface's plan for people who speak sign language?
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Nov 2, 2015 23:31
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:What was Skullface's plan for people who speak sign language? If your general plan is to disrupt the world, targeting the <1% that can do sign language would probably be a gross misuse of resources
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Nov 2, 2015 23:36
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How exactly does Quiet know Navajo? Was she raised Navajo or just learned it at Cipher University? Stephanie has that half asian/native american look so maybe shes supposed to be part Navajo?
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Nov 2, 2015 23:44
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Shaocaholica posted:How exactly does Quiet know navaho? Was she raised navaho or just learned it at Cipher University? Quiet knows Navajo because she learned it at some point.
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Nov 2, 2015 23:47
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:What was Skullface's plan for people who speak sign language? evil hand transplants
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Nov 3, 2015 00:30
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The cut scene where Kaz says "what about him?", is that only in a trailer?
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Nov 3, 2015 00:41
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Shaocaholica posted:The cut scene where Kaz says "what about him?", is that only in a trailer? No? It's at the start of Mission 46 I believe, I don't know if it shows up in GZ though. It might.
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Nov 3, 2015 00:51
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Shaocaholica posted:The cut scene where Kaz says "what about him?", is that only in a trailer? It's like the very first cutscene in the game
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Nov 3, 2015 00:51
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I thought that was only in the Truth version of the cutscene.
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Nov 3, 2015 00:52
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The end of this game is bad. I'm glad Kojima is unemployed. Did he think he was writing the Sixth Sense?
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Nov 3, 2015 00:56
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Snak posted:I thought that was only in the Truth version of the cutscene. Yes, it's only in the truth version, everywhere else we get a cut version of that scene.
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Nov 3, 2015 01:06
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Quiet was an assassin for Skull Face, you can reasonably assume she learnt Navajo as part of her training.
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Nov 3, 2015 01:28
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Pwnstar posted:Quiet was an assassin for Skull Face, you can reasonably assume she learnt Navajo as part of her training. ... but no other languages? Bholder fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Nov 3, 2015 |
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Nov 3, 2015 01:29
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Who knows what languages she knows? It doesn't matter, if Miller catches her communicating in a way that doesn't involve violence, he's going to interrogate the poo poo out of her to figure out her real motives. Either she'll be killed by the torture, she'll talk and reveal that she was sent to kill Boss and Miller's going to order her dead or she'll escape and Miller's going to order her dead. There is nothing good for Quiet that comes out of her speaking.
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Nov 3, 2015 01:32
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why did ocelot brainwash himself seems unnecessary
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Nov 3, 2015 01:32
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Venom Soag posted:why did ocelot brainwash himself Ocelot is all about some hypnotherapy on himself because reasons.
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Nov 3, 2015 01:38
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Venom Soag posted:why did ocelot brainwash himself Venom Soag posted:ocelot
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Nov 3, 2015 01:39
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Venom Soag posted:why did ocelot brainwash himself Given MGS4, I think he just likes to brainwash himself for fun.
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Nov 3, 2015 01:39
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he did because living without john is too hard for him. ocelot had a hard life
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:What was Skullface's plan for people who speak sign language? ayn rand hand job posted:If your general plan is to disrupt the world, targeting the <1% that can do sign language would probably be a gross misuse of resources His plan wasn't just disruption though. He knew that Zero was using spoken language to control people, so he decided to remove the languages they had infiltrated. It was less "LOLTERRORISM" and more "gently caress Zero. We'll make new languages...with blackjack...and hookers." Venom Soag posted:why did ocelot brainwash himself Ocelot does interrogation. He knows the only 100% safe way to not crack under torture is if you honestly don't know...and brainwashing is the only way to unknow poo poo. Also, he gets off on it.
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Nov 3, 2015 01:43
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Ocelot is a dude who roofies himself for fun
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Nov 3, 2015 03:08
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So I went mad and deleted my save file so I can do a real second playthrough and see again all the stuff that you can only see once. There's a few things I can't figure out though. During the hospital scene, who's controlling Psycho Mantis to kill Venom? In two scenes you can clearly see that Venom is controlling Psycho Mantis (there's a horn in his head) but during the times when Volgin is trying to kill Venom, Psycho Mantis doesn't seem to have anything that would point out who he's controlled by. Also, during the cutscene between Hospital and first mission, you can see Venom wearing a white prosthesis that has only 4 fingers on it (little finger is missing). Does that have any symbolic significance? A reference to Moby Dick maybe?
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Nov 3, 2015 04:31
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When Mantis is on fire, he's controlled by Volgin.
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Nov 3, 2015 04:37
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gtrmp posted:When Mantis is on fire, he's controlled by Volgin. Oh, that's right. I totally forgot about how Volgin woke up and Mantis escaped in the first place. EDIT: So wait, Volgin was the one who "triggered" Mantis to crash the plane and go after Venom/Big Boss, right? How the hell did he have strong enough hatred for that if he was loving dead for 12 years or so? Jack Trades fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Nov 3, 2015 |
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Nov 3, 2015 04:46
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Nakar posted:I wonder if Ocelot got fed a line in that respect (or is bullshitting Big Boss), as in no way was the Medic "already dead" after the crash. Big Boss was in worse shape despite the Medic's injuries. Zero clearly made his condition worse in order to shape him into Venom. The interesting thing is Kaz would be the one who knows this, because Kaz was there and the least-injured man present. So he'd have known that his buddy the Medic was most certainly alive and conscious the last time he saw him 9 years ago, and realize what that would mean. I don't think this is necessarily true. You see a guy with a giant chunk of bone sticking out of his head, you can probably be made to believe that he died later on from injuries. I'm no neurosurgeon but it was probably a miracle that he survived anyway.
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Nov 3, 2015 04:52
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Jack Trades posted:EDIT: So wait, Volgin was the one who "triggered" Mantis to crash the plane and go after Venom/Big Boss, right? How the hell did he have strong enough hatred for that if he was loving dead for 12 years or so? Big Boss waking up triggered Mantis to crash the plane. Volgin was reanimated when Mantis was brought to the Soviet research institute and then immediately made a b-line for Cyprus, where Venom had since reawoken.
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Jack Trades posted:EDIT: So wait, Volgin was the one who "triggered" Mantis to crash the plane and go after Venom/Big Boss, right? How the hell did he have strong enough hatred for that if he was loving dead for 12 years or so? EngineerSean posted:I don't think this is necessarily true. You see a guy with a giant chunk of bone sticking out of his head, you can probably be made to believe that he died later on from injuries. I'm no neurosurgeon but it was probably a miracle that he survived anyway.
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Nov 3, 2015 05:17
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Nakar posted:Hate is stated to be the only reason Volgin's body is even still alive. He's really, really pissed off. Kaz might not be able to see so he wouldn't notice the horn. He probably should've heard the prosthetic hand though, that'd have been a good giveaway.
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Nakar posted:You don't think Kaz is capable of drawing the connection between his MSF buddy who ended up alive in the hospital with him with a missing hand and a huge chunk of shrapnel sticking out of his head and a guy 9 years later who looks like Big Boss except with a missing hand and a huge chunk of shrapnel sticking out of his head? This is a good point but not only is he nearly blind but it also wouldn't be the dumbest thing to happen in this series 
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Even if Kaz is blind, which I don't think is true (he's probably light-sensitive or something though), he's got to have heard someone talking about Big Boss. Or overheard the Russian soldiers talking about the guy who has a demonic horn. Or heard/felt Big Boss's prosthetic hand, or authorized development of it, or knew about the prosthetic engineer, etc. etc. etc. This is probably good evidence for the Ocelot/Kaz stinger taking place early in the story, before Ocelot hypnotizes himself. Kaz is already aware that Venom is the Medic because there's no logical reason he shouldn't know, he's just keeping quiet on purpose because revenge. That or I just found a plot hole.
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Nov 3, 2015 05:40
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Yeah honestly, at that point, I'm sure Kaz knew who Venom was. Ocelot even told him that they'd have to learn to co-exist during that conversation, which tells me that they've only just started working together in Diamond Dogs.
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Nov 3, 2015 05:47
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I think that's actually the deal when you rescue Kaz. He asks "Boss, is that you?" because thinks maybe his old friend Big Boss has actually come to save him. And then he tries to hide his disappointment when he realizes his real friend didn't come for him.
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Nov 3, 2015 05:57
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Story-wise, it only makes sense for Miller to find out the truth about Venom after the events of the game. If he knew from the beginning, there would be no point for him to give Eli a DNA test because he would already know that the results would come back false whether Eli was an LET or not.
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Nov 3, 2015 05:59
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In It For The Tank posted:Story-wise, it only makes sense for Miller to find out the truth about Venom after the events of the game. If he knew from the beginning, there would be no point for him to give Eli a DNA test because he would already know that the results would come back false whether Eli was an LET or not.
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In It For The Tank posted:Story-wise, it only makes sense for Miller to find out the truth about Venom after the events of the game. If he knew from the beginning, there would be no point for him to give Eli a DNA test because he would already know that the results would come back false whether Eli was an LET or not. If Kaz knows the test is going to come back negative because Venom isn't really Big Boss then he has every reason to do it in order to complicate matters for everyone else involved. It's probably killing him to have to pretend his brainwashed MSF buddy is Big Boss all the time but he knows he can't just come out and tell him.
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Snak posted:I mean, I'm not saying it would make sense for him to know the whole time. But I do think it would make sense for him to do the blood test because Venom suspects Eli. Kaz doesn't want Venom obsessing with his clones, so it's safest to just tell Venom he's not and be done with it. If Venom ever asks for a retest, it will back up Miller's result. Nakar posted:It's hard to distinguish them at times on the radio but wasn't Ocelot also pretty big on doing the genetic test? Kaz isn't going to go "Oh uh let's not" for no apparent reason even if he already knows. Hell, practically everyone strongly suspects Eli is one of the LET clones (including Eli), so there's really no reason for him to not do it. Plus if Ocelot is self-hypnotized then he's going to assume Venom actually is Big Boss and thus he should know full well that Eli is Liquid in which case getting a negative result might gently caress with Ocelot's head or something. This discussion is made really difficult because a lot of Eli's story is relegated to cutscenes and radio calls that are not repeatable and also the fact that it's confirmed that half the characters are lying to themselves and the others might be lying to us so it's difficult to say what is and what is not actually true. With that in mind, based on what I remember and the few tapes we do have, Venom doesn't seem to have much interest in Eli at all and is characteristically silent on the matter. It's certainly not eating away at him that Eli might be his clone, at least that I can see. This leads me to think that the blood test was done for Miller and/or Ocelot's benefit. Ocelot definitely shows an interest in Eli, saying he suspected Eli as an LET basically the moment he laid eyes on him, so it is plausible he pushed for the blood test. However, Miller definitely could have stalled attempts to test Eli if he wanted to without really raising suspicion, much like he basically protected Eli from Ocelot for the entirety of Chapter 2 despite the fact that Eli was being a little shitheel that was threatening mutiny and blatantly planning something sinister. If anything, if Miller knew the test would come back fake, he has a motive to stop the blood test because Eli was causing so much trouble that the revelation that he's not Big Boss' clone and is actually just some kid makes it a lot more difficult to justify keeping him around despite the evident threat he poses. The idea that an aware Miller let the test go ahead with the knowledge it would come back false just to mess with Ocelot or to trick an already apathetic Venom also doesn't strike me as convincing. It makes more sense to me that Miller didn't know the results ahead of time and that he consequently didn't know Venom's identity.
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