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Tunga
May 7, 2004

Grimey Drawer

FunOne posted:

I highly encourage everyone moving to the 5x and 6P consider using a real, long, password for their device. The password you choose, be it PIN or Pattern or actual password is what drives the device encryption.

So a long, say 15+ character password with punctuation, numbers, etc. serves to make your device basically unable to be unlocked without you. And the fingerprint reader makes it crazy easy to use day to day.
I haven't figured out what causes it yet but occasionally (maybe once every couple of days) I pick up my 6P and it says "for extra security, enter your password" (not verbatim) and the fingerprint reader does nothing. This makes it a little annoying to have a super-complex password with special characters like the one I chose, but I'm going to stick with it for now and see if I can determine the cause.

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Adenoid Dan
Mar 8, 2012

The Hobo Serenader
Lipstick Apathy
Is it because it's detecting that you're setting your phone down for a certain amount of time instead of carrying it in your pocket?

Sounds good to me if that's the case.

Actually scratch that that would probably get annoying.

Sub Rosa
Jun 9, 2010




FunOne posted:

....you can?

No?

TheReverend
Jun 21, 2005

Don Lapre posted:

etradesupply is the only place you are guarenteed to get a genuine battery

http://www.etradesupply.com/lg-nexus-5-battery.html

You can also use the G2 3000mah battery if you remove the wireless charging coil.

I love wireless charging too much! It's one of the things holding me back from the 5x.

But thanks, I ordered a real battery let's see if I can eek out another year or so using this.

Jigoku
Apr 5, 2009

I have a Droid Turbo. When I place my phone on my wireless charging pad it beeps and turns the screen on to tell me where to place my phone. Can I turn this off? It's really annoying.

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!

Skywalker OG posted:

I have a Droid Turbo. When I place my phone on my wireless charging pad it beeps and turns the screen on to tell me where to place my phone. Can I turn this off? It's really annoying.

I dunno about a screen showing placing your phone but you can turn off charging noises in Sound & Notifications > Other Sounds

Mental Hospitality
Jan 5, 2011

Asus will be selling some different variants of the Zenfone 2 here in the U.S. pretty soon.

Android Police posted:

The Zenfone 2 Laser is similar to the regular ZenFone 2, except there's a laser autofocus module on the back. It also runs on a Snapdragon 615 instead of the Intel chip used in other Zenfones, and there's a removable battery. It comes in both 16GB ($199) and 32GB ($249) variants...

The ZenFone 2 Deluxe is basically a souped-up version of the ZenFone 2 with 128GB of storage, 4GB of RAM, and a quad-core Intel Atom SoC.

Captain Yossarian
Feb 24, 2011

All new" Rings of Fire"
I think the laser one sounds good, especially for 200$, but I don't know anything about that SOC. Are there any reviews out there yet? Or just announcements?

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

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FunOne posted:

....you can? I would just recommend you start near that length and make it a large search space.


For both Apple and Android the password chosen directly feeds into the encryption key for the userspace. So, there should be no way to bypass it. Apple has been getting some attention on this front as the Justice department is finding out that they're serious that nothing can be done.

And yes, I would recommend a long, complicated, password set to prompt on boot then use your fingerprint day to day. That leaves userspace completely encrypted until the password is put in, no amount of sucking the data off the device will do anything but yield encrypted data.

None of that solves the getting beaten with a pipe until you put in the password scenario, but it would keep prying eyes from rummaging through your phone legally.

Here is one of the legal decisions that says a fingerprint is not protected by the 5th amendment.
http://jolt.law.harvard.edu/digest/telecommunications/court-rules-police-may-compel-suspects-to-unlock-fingerprint-protected-smartphones

Keep in mind these US laws only apply while traveling/entering the US. If you go to Canada for example they have every legal right to get you to turn on and unlock your phone and search through everything. Lots of American child porn enthusiasts are busted this way (brother is Canadian border services officer).

Mental Hospitality
Jan 5, 2011

Captain Yossarian posted:

I think the laser one sounds good, especially for 200$, but I don't know anything about that SOC. Are there any reviews out there yet? Or just announcements?

Not sure about reviews. I'd imagine it would be close to the 617. 8 A53 cores with not terribly high frequencies. Midrange graphics. Should be fine for most smartphone tasks.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!

Reverse Centaur posted:

Keep in mind these US laws only apply while traveling/entering the US. If you go to Canada for example they have every legal right to get you to turn on and unlock your phone and search through everything. Lots of American child porn enthusiasts are busted this way (brother is Canadian border services officer).

In fairness, that law is outdated and has yet to be challenged at the SCC (I'm willing to bet it would be changed, if/when challenged), and customs officers still must have reasonable grounds to search. But yeah, Americans don't realize this and get owned when coming in.

Syrinxx
Mar 28, 2002

Death is whimsical today

Captain Yossarian posted:

I think the laser one sounds good, especially for 200$, but I don't know anything about that SOC. Are there any reviews out there yet? Or just announcements?
The Laser takes out NFC for some odd reason, which seems like a step backwards as contactless (Android Pay) picks up steam in the US. Also in CPU the 615 benchmarks below the Intel Z3580 in the original ZenFone 2, and well below the Z3580 in graphics performance.

TollTheHounds
Mar 23, 2006

He died for your sins...
My first (last?) Nexus 5X complaint - Adaptive Brightness sucks, real bad.

I hope it's one of those things that gets patched/fixed in an update but it is terrible right now. I can't even find any rhyme or reason as to why the brightness is nearly constantly fluctuating between so-dark-as-to-be-unreadable, and "normal".

I thought it was through a sensor on the face of the phone but if that's the case it needs some tuning. I'll be sitting at my desk, pick up my phone and look at it - it's at "normal" brightness on waking up. Then after 10 seconds it becomes extremely dark instantly - no gradation or slow adjustment, just bam. I will tap through and try to do stuff, the brightness is still super dark, and then after maybe a minute of this it will then become super bright again. The lighting around my desk is completely unchanged.

I've compensated by adjusting the default brightness to be higher which seems to make the "dark periods" also brighter, but the behaviour is still the same.

I don't have a screen protector on or anything ( I read conflicting reviews of the protectors blocking the light sensor and loving with this specifically ), and am just using the speck case from Google that has all the right cut-outs/ports open.

Is this just me? Is it a thing with Nexuses and adaptive brightness ( I read reports of similar issues with the 5 on release that was fixed when patched? ) Should I just use Lux or something similar instead? Or should I just say gently caress it and turn off adaptive brightness entirely?

It's weird coming from a Z2, where the auto-brightness worked perfectly and was relatively gradual in it's change. I didn't think this would be something that would actually be worse on a newer phone.

spoof
Jul 8, 2004
I ended up replacing my white-backed 5X with a black-backed 5X, and have both for a few days before I have to ship the white one back. What's the best way to copy the state of one phone over to the other? The setting up a new device method loses most user data.

edit: Black one is definitely less slippery than the white one. Feels good, but not as soft as the N5.

spoof fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Nov 3, 2015

Red Warrior
Jul 23, 2002
Is about to die!

TollTheHounds posted:

My first (last?) Nexus 5X complaint - Adaptive Brightness sucks, real bad.

Yeah I've run into this. In the evening it goes back and forth from dim to eye-searing seemingly at random.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

You'll be sorry you made fun of me when Daddy Donald jails all my posting enemies!
With a 5X or 6P, whats the actual procedure for using android pay? I have it setup but haven't used it yet.

Red Warrior
Jul 23, 2002
Is about to die!

ilkhan posted:

With a 5X or 6P, whats the actual procedure for using android pay? I have it setup but haven't used it yet.

Used it at Trader Joes for the first time the other day. When the terminal asks for payment at the end of the transaction, unlock your phone and tap it on the terminal.

kid sinister
Nov 16, 2002
Can anybody tell me what is up with my Nexus 6 the past 2 days? I'm using the stock charger and cable, but it will lose charge while I'm using it despite being plugged in. I've swapped cables and chargers, but still the same thing happens.

While I'm at it, why don't the percentages for drains under the Battery section in Settings add up to 100%?

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!




TollTheHounds posted:

My first (last?) Nexus 5X complaint - Adaptive Brightness sucks, real bad.

I hope it's one of those things that gets patched/fixed in an update but it is terrible right now. I can't even find any rhyme or reason as to why the brightness is nearly constantly fluctuating between so-dark-as-to-be-unreadable, and "normal".

I thought it was through a sensor on the face of the phone but if that's the case it needs some tuning. I'll be sitting at my desk, pick up my phone and look at it - it's at "normal" brightness on waking up. Then after 10 seconds it becomes extremely dark instantly - no gradation or slow adjustment, just bam. I will tap through and try to do stuff, the brightness is still super dark, and then after maybe a minute of this it will then become super bright again. The lighting around my desk is completely unchanged.

I've compensated by adjusting the default brightness to be higher which seems to make the "dark periods" also brighter, but the behaviour is still the same.

I don't have a screen protector on or anything ( I read conflicting reviews of the protectors blocking the light sensor and loving with this specifically ), and am just using the speck case from Google that has all the right cut-outs/ports open.

Is this just me? Is it a thing with Nexuses and adaptive brightness ( I read reports of similar issues with the 5 on release that was fixed when patched? ) Should I just use Lux or something similar instead? Or should I just say gently caress it and turn off adaptive brightness entirely?

It's weird coming from a Z2, where the auto-brightness worked perfectly and was relatively gradual in it's change. I didn't think this would be something that would actually be worse on a newer phone.

Try out lux, its working well for me

Captain Yossarian
Feb 24, 2011

All new" Rings of Fire"

Syrinxx posted:

The Laser takes out NFC for some odd reason, which seems like a step backwards as contactless (Android Pay) picks up steam in the US. Also in CPU the 615 benchmarks below the Intel Z3580 in the original ZenFone 2, and well below the Z3580 in graphics performance.

Shame about the CPU, but I've made due (do?) with worse! I don't care about NFC to be honest, and I've literally never seen anyone use it. Although yeah it is odd that they would take it out... wonder if it was to offset cost of the extra GB of ram? Interesting anyway.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.
The real problem with the Intel Zenfone 2 is battery life so it'll be interesting to see how the ARM one compares

hotsauce
Jan 14, 2007

Skarsnik posted:

Try out lux, its working well for me

FYI - Lux registers itself to "draw over other apps" without any obvious indication. This means you can't set up LastPass autofill and some apps will exhibit strange behavior (i.e. Linked In app's sign in button doesn't work).

Solution is to put Lux to sleep and do whatever seemed to be broken, then re-enable it.

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!

kid sinister posted:

Can anybody tell me what is up with my Nexus 6 the past 2 days? I'm using the stock charger and cable, but it will lose charge while I'm using it despite being plugged in. I've swapped cables and chargers, but still the same thing happens.

While I'm at it, why don't the percentages for drains under the Battery section in Settings add up to 100%?

You'll lose percentage in the 90% to 100% range because the phone is bump charging. And depending on what you're doing using a phone heavily while charging will not result in great charging performance because the phone is mitigating heat build up.

Can you be a bit more specific?

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!




hotsauce posted:

FYI - Lux registers itself to "draw over other apps" without any obvious indication. This means you can't set up LastPass autofill and some apps will exhibit strange behavior (i.e. Linked In app's sign in button doesn't work).

Solution is to put Lux to sleep and do whatever seemed to be broken, then re-enable it.



Lux has an auto sleep list for all that

I've not had any issue with LastPass autofill though? I just had to register it as able to draw over other apps too when prompted

hotsauce
Jan 14, 2007

Skarsnik posted:

Lux has an auto sleep list for all that

I've not had any issue with LastPass autofill though? I just had to register it as able to draw over other apps too when prompted

I got this over and over until Google helped me understand that Lux needed to be disabled first.



Drove me pretty nutty until I found someone else with this solution. Just sharing my experience as I didn't find Lux to be the obvious culprit.

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!




Oh you mean not being able to click options?

Yeah that's a security thing, its not Lux specific, and that's what the sleep list is for. It doesn't actually break stuff

Anything like that won't work with any kind of overlay, its just Lux is probably the most popular app out there using one

kid sinister
Nov 16, 2002

Maker Of Shoes posted:

You'll lose percentage in the 90% to 100% range because the phone is bump charging. And depending on what you're doing using a phone heavily while charging will not result in great charging performance because the phone is mitigating heat build up.

Can you be a bit more specific?

Yeah, but what if your battery percentage is going down while it's plugged in? I've been using my phone since this afternoon trying to figure out what's wrong with it. It's been plugged in that entire time to the included QuickCharge... charger, yet never gains any charge. It also typically loses ~3% when I reboot. It did gain charge last night, but it's been plugged in all day and right now is at 57% in Safe Mode.

One thing I noticed is that now when it's plugged in and I wake the screen, it says "Charging" at the bottom, but no longer lists the estimated time until a full charge. In fact, I've caught it once or twice while it's plugged in with the lightning bolt icon in the top right corner yet says "Not Charging" in the Battery section of Settings.

Is this a bug in Marshmallow?

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

dissss posted:

The real problem with the Intel Zenfone 2 is battery life so it'll be interesting to see how the ARM one compares

Not that much better, apparently.



I think the issue is probably the screen. I think they picked a screen to get 1080p at a certain price point. The reports I heard were that the 720p ZF2 (not sold in the US) got pretty great battery life.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.
According to my flatmate who has the 4GB Intel one standby is also really bad

Jigoku
Apr 5, 2009

Maker Of Shoes posted:

I dunno about a screen showing placing your phone but you can turn off charging noises in Sound & Notifications > Other Sounds

Unfortunately this doesn't do anything for the wireless charging notification. Do other phones wake the screen when you put it on a wireless charger?

DemonMage
Oct 14, 2004



What happens in the course of duty is up to you...
My Nexus 6 and 7 both wake the screen when placed on the charger.

Tunga
May 7, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Skywalker OG posted:

Unfortunately this doesn't do anything for the wireless charging notification. Do other phones wake the screen when you put it on a wireless charger?
I've never owned a phone that didn't wake up when it was connected to any kind of charger.

ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007




Crossposting from the App thread since some Pay talk was mentioned here as well.

With Android Pay v1.1, it is possible to use the app without having a credit card attached to it.

Chimp_On_Stilts
Aug 31, 2004
Holy Hell.
Everyone who has bad Nexus 5 battery life, just how bad has it been in your experience?

My own experience has been atrocious. My battery was losing ~20% charge per hour when the phone was locked and idle, and the battery lasted ~1 hour of screen on usage. The back of the phone, at the top (immediately to the right of the camera when looking at the back) had been getting quite hot, again even with the phone locked.

Even better, the battery usage indicator in Settings had been telling me WiFi was on at all times -- even if I turned WiFi off, and even if the phone was powered off + battery dead.


I took the back off the phone to investigate and noticed that with the back off battery life is far better -- hours of screen on usage, and kinda reasonable percentage drops per hour when idle. I guess the back was causing some kind of short which was discharging the battery.

I've covered the back of the phone in electrical tape and am waiting for the Nexus 6P I ordered a month ago to arrive. (Which has not shipped, by the way. What the hell?)

5436
Jul 11, 2003

by astral
Impressions on 6P.

Good:
Marshmallow
Battery Life (destroys my S6)
Fingerprint sensor
Speakers
More room on homescreens for apps/widgets
Always on "Ok Google" (great for cooking, playing music, setting alarms)
Now on tap (works for me more than reviewers, maybe im just expecting less?)

Middle:
Camera is okay, coming from a S6. The S6 was better at just picking the right foreground/background and shooting. I also liked the ability to say "shoot" and it would just take a pic. Both have the quick launch camera which is good.

Bad:
Physical buttons (this is annoying when you have the phone on the table, theres no double tap to wake). The screen buttons also take up real estate.
The usb-c->a is ridiculously small (a cable for ants?)
Stock dialer
Stock gallery app (using aperture, dunno if I like it).

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.
What's wrong with the stock dialer? I think it's by far the best dialer on any phone

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012

5436 posted:

The screen buttons also take up real estate.

When you watch a full screen video, the nav buttons will disappear. Having on screen buttons means you have a bigger screen for the phone size when it's useful (video, etc), and otherwise a very slightly less unwieldy display when using it. I will never understand this complaint. If you really like the feel of physical or capacitive buttons, that's one thing, but "takes up screen space" just doesn't make sense to me.

Super Dude
Jan 23, 2005
Do the Jew

5436 posted:

The usb-c->a is ridiculously small (a cable for ants?)

That cable was only included for hooking up your phone to your computer for things like adb commands, accessing the file system, and dev work, not as a charging cable.

5436
Jul 11, 2003

by astral

RVProfootballer posted:

When you watch a full screen video, the nav buttons will disappear. Having on screen buttons means you have a bigger screen for the phone size when it's useful (video, etc), and otherwise a very slightly less unwieldy display when using it. I will never understand this complaint. If you really like the feel of physical or capacitive buttons, that's one thing, but "takes up screen space" just doesn't make sense to me.

Yea what about the times i'm just reading a website, or anything that isn't a video? It still uses part of the screen that could be using content. I would get that argument if the screen ended at the bottom of the phone but there is a large bezel with a speaker. Just put some buttons there (and not the lovely Samsung ones). Ideally the screen is as big as possible in that form factor which I think is ideal for my hands.

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dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.
The trouble is you can't (or at least shouldn't) put buttons too close to the bottom edge of the phone. Samsung does but that's what makes them so awkward to reach.

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