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scuz posted:The wheels hop in my lovely 2.0L MK4, even after the transmission mount bushing upgrades. I just hit 160k mi in mine, if it can hold on 2 more years of me beating the hell out of it we'll have enough cash to replace it outright. I expect nothing on trade-in, the headliner is falling down and I don't give enough of a poo poo to fix it, pinning it up is good enough.
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devmd01 posted:I just hit 160k mi in mine, if it can hold on 2 more years of me beating the hell out of it we'll have enough cash to replace it outright. I expect nothing on trade-in, the headliner is falling down and I don't give enough of a poo poo to fix it, pinning it up is good enough. If it comes to that, sell it to me or some random kid in your neighborhood for a grand.
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VW cheated on CO2 emissions and gas mileage, too. " The company said the “majority” of cars involved have a diesel engine, which implies that petrol cars are involved in the scandal for the first time."
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Next up: "VWs found to actually be Chryslers!"
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Not quite, but almost as good: VW US sales rise despite scandal gently caress everything. I hope this comes with a massive margin loss from discounts to prop up the numbers.
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Nov 4, 2015 05:13
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Jealous Cow posted:Not quite, but almost as good: Better buy your car today http://m.imgur.com/UfWPUrk (Stop sale in basically all gas VWs starts tommorow)
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I guess that means I get to swap back to the stock dp. 
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That one is even more insane than the cam follower problem.
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Dick Trauma posted:Next up: "VWs found to actually be Chryslers!" Good God. What have you done. Seriously though, VAG has deep pockets, but with how much is coming to light with the Diesel scandal, small diesel stop sale, more diesel scandal affected cars,which now potentially includes the Gasoline models, and on top of all that, a stop sale on pretty much all small engine VW's, how much more damage can they take and what do you guys think the future of VW is going to look like financially?
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Well it has ruined their big 2018 plan and is going to result in a great deal of short term cost cutting but the company will survive. It'll certainly hasten their exit from the diesel market which they've been stubbornly trying to hold onto as it gets less and less viable.
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I posted speculation earlier in the thread but I still think Porsche will cut VW loose if it gets real bad.
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Guess I got in just under the wire.
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nm posted:Better buy your car today I rushed over to the VW website to see if the 2.0l 8v engine was affected and was floored to find the 1.4l TSI already in the US replacing it? When did they sneak that engine in?
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I still want to know: Who else is doing it?
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CommieGIR posted:I still want to know: Who else is doing it? You seem really upset by the possibility that VW was just a lovely company instead of some global industry wide anti-VW conspiracy.
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Throatwarbler posted:You seem really upset by the possibility that VW was just a lovely company instead of some global industry wide anti-VW conspiracy. This is hilarious coming from you because I've yelled at you in the A/T thread for recommending VWs (and Chryslers). It's me. I'm a part of the anti-VW conspiracy. But seriously, the only other manufacturers that have passenger car diesel models in the States is BMW and Mercedes, and I know that BMW's X5 blows clean. It's shameful considering that I would be all over a Mazda6 Skyactiv-D, but for ~~~some mysterious reason~~~ Mazda engineers couldn't figure out how to blow clean without urea injection.
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Jealous Cow posted:Not quite, but almost as good: That sounds good until you consider that pretty much every other maker was up 10%+
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Throatwarbler posted:You seem really upset by the possibility that VW was just a lovely company instead of some global industry wide anti-VW conspiracy. Holy poo poo dude, calm down. That is not what I was insinuating. I find it hard to believe that they were the only company doing it.
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CommieGIR posted:Holy poo poo dude, calm down. That is not what I was insinuating. Given how claimed mpg has risen much higher than real-world data suggests people are getting in recent times, I am sure we are going to find some other mfrs are up to similar things. Maybe not as blatant, but they'll be something even if it is just a flat spot at a certain rpm
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8ender posted:I posted speculation earlier in the thread but I still think Porsche will cut VW loose if it gets real bad. Why do you keep saying things like this. Eh I was close enough. They're a partnership with Porsche owning 50.76% of VW. So there's not any "cutting loose" going to happen. Also, this just reinforces my reasoning for not modding my car 
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spog posted:Given how claimed mpg has risen much higher than real-world data suggests people are getting in recent times, I am sure we are going to find some other mfrs are up to similar things. Maybe not as blatant, but they'll be something even if it is just a flat spot at a certain rpm I'm not expecting all of them to be doing it, but it seems extremely unlikely that they were alone in this. I can't wait to see what the EPA/CARB studies show, since they've announced they are going to do similar studies across all manufacturers now.
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I'm not saying other manufacturers aren't fudging the numbers, but I think the point is that every time more evidence comes out that VW has stepped on their dick you say you can't wait to see other manufacturers get caught, too. It's likely that other manufacturers are doing it, but it seems unlikely they're using the "defeat device" which is the whole issue in this ordeal.
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veedubfreak posted:Why do you keep saying things like this. Porsche SE can do whatever they want with VAG. They have a controlling share and all Porsche SE voting shares are essentially owned by two families. If they wanted to dismantle it into an "Old GM" "New GM" style split they could do so. I know it sounds insane but when you see numbers like 80-90 billion to fix things being bandied around it starts looking a lot more realistic.
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Lightbulb Out posted:I'm not saying other manufacturers aren't fudging the numbers, but I think the point is that every time more evidence comes out that VW has stepped on their dick you say you can't wait to see other manufacturers get caught, too. It's likely that other manufacturers are doing it, but it seems unlikely they're using the "defeat device" which is the whole issue in this ordeal. I think that the description of the issue as a 'defeat device' has been unhelpful as it is not a device (i.e. a separate component), but it is a piece of very specific programming. We then drift towards a discussion on semantics as to what defines such a 'device' - e.g. if the mapping has a flat spot at the exact rpm that testing takes place, is that a device? If the ECU reduces power when the bonnet is open, or when the car is in neutral, are they 'defeat devices' or 'over-heating protection' and 'low power standby mode'?
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spog posted:I think that the description of the issue as a 'defeat device' has been unhelpful as it is not a device (i.e. a separate component), but it is a piece of very specific programming. Ultimately it doesn't matter - so far VW are the only ones that have been caught. The EPA calls it a defeat device, so that's the verbage I will use. Obviously other manufacturers could be doing this too, but the point is that every time more evidence comes out that VW did really dumb poo poo, CommieGIR goes "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER MANUFACTURERS" which makes it seem like he is saying they shouldn't be picking on poor 'ole VW.
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Lightbulb Out posted:Ultimately it doesn't matter - so far VW are the only ones that have been caught. The EPA calls it a defeat device, so that's the verbage I will use. Obviously other manufacturers could be doing this too, but the point is that every time more evidence comes out that VW did really dumb poo poo, CommieGIR goes "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER MANUFACTURERS" which makes it seem like he is saying they shouldn't be picking on poor 'ole VW. Actually, they did really smart poo poo, but got greedy and didn't think they would get caught. Overconfidence is a bitch sometimes.
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 Here's my 2009 gti oil pan. New motor going in. Ran me $1500 for the used motor with 49k miles and I bought a used turbo with 12k miles to go with it. Hoping total cost with labor is under $3000. Drunk Pledge Driver fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Nov 5, 2015 |
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veedubfreak posted:Actually, they did really smart poo poo, but got greedy and didn't think they would get caught. Overconfidence is a bitch sometimes. I think that 100% qualifies as "doing dumb poo poo". Lightbulb Out fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Nov 4, 2015 |
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Anyone have any opinion on the 2016 Golf Sportwagen TSI S? This whole scamming the entire planet thing seems to have made VWs pretty cheap. I test drove one yesterday and was really impressed, but I've also never bought a new car so who knows. Would $21,000 be a good price on this? Am I in the completely wrong thread for this sort of thing?
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Lightbulb Out posted:I think that 100% qualifies as "doing dumb poo poo". Pretty much. Bosch was very clear that the code used for the test ECUs was NEVER to be implemented on a production vehicle. Still waiting to find out whose actual decision it was to do that.
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Lightbulb Out posted:I think that 100% qualifies as "doing dumb poo poo". Well it's dumb poo poo done in a very sophisticated way.
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So is it true? The only VW you can buy today (in the USA) is a V6 Passat because there is a stop sale on everything else?
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Having any sort of business plan punctuated with "Don't get caught" is the definition of "doing dumb poo poo". It's an international auto manufacturer, not a Scooby Doo villain of the week.
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Phone posted:Having any sort of business plan punctuated with "Don't get caught" is the definition of "doing dumb poo poo". It's an international auto manufacturer, not a Scooby Doo villain of the week. Current business philosophy is what will work for next quarter and what can we do for the stock holders, not "hey lets make some decent poo poo that will sustain us for the next 5-10 years" Either way, I don't think it was necessarily top management, dumb poo poo is usually caused by middle management. The top level says "Hey we need to sell X widgets at this price" Middle management says "Hey low level people, make it happen" Low level folks say "Yeah right, it can't happen" back to middle managers. Middle managers - concerned about their jobs say "gently caress you, figure it out" But hey - VW essentially killed diesel cars, so 
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There is already a list out for which VINS are affected by the cam issue. Doesn't appear to be anything made in Germany, so yay, the R is unaffected as far as I can tell.
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BrokenKnucklez posted:But hey - VW essentially killed diesel cars, so Diesel cars were already dead. The difference with VW is that they didn't realise it.
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dissss posted:Diesel cars were already dead. We get it, you hate diesels. Shut up now. Because they were actually doing some pretty amazing poo poo with diesel motors, so frankly you are just being cranky.
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You'd think at some point the government board members would say, "This is what you're going to do if you want any chance of us bailing you out"
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CommieGIR posted:Because they were actually doing some pretty amazing poo poo with diesel motors, so frankly you are just being cranky. Doesn't change the fact that diesels in small cars are dead - just look at what is happening in Europe now
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