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Renaissance Robot posted:However, left authoritarianism isn't something any modern leftist actually wants (except maybe HorseLord) so it's reasonable to take an endorsement of authoritarian policy as a sign that a particular politician isn't really all that left-wing. Andy Burnham confirmed for secret Stalinist, all hail the Burnham
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"government has been listening carefully" Yes they have Andy. That's the problem. I'm personally more worried that they're proposing a ban on any encryption that the service provider can't break than that they can see that I visited forums dot somethingawful dot com but not that I visited the homestead of British communism and monster munch thread, but I agree that both proposals are problematic, as metadata can be highly revealing.
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Nov 4, 2015 14:32
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Semi serious question though: when the glorious socialist utopia is born, how can the revolution be defended from subversive right-wing elements without some measure of authoritarianism?
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Nov 4, 2015 14:34
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Found a picture from an alternative timeline where Andy Burnham became leader of the opposition. Here he is at PMQ, on the left. NSFW http://i.imgur.com/oFYgwbh.jpg
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Nov 4, 2015 14:37
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ThomasPaine posted:Semi serious question though: when the glorious socialist utopia is born, how can the revolution be defended from subversive right-wing elements without some measure of authoritarianism? Tyranny of the masses. Which in an ideal world happens without commissars; the majority are on board with your message, and they publicly shout down/shame/lynch dissenters. That's more or less what Mao tried to do anyway; I'm not a fan, and think it's a bit unrealistic, as it's basically saying "what if everyone was just like they are now, except instead of reading The Sun they all read my Trot newsletter instead". Personally my answer is "it can't", but that's why it's a continuum. Having one authoritarian element (eg a permanent police force) doesn't make your government automatically go full 1984, so it's not something to have a knee-jerk negative reaction to I think.
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Nov 4, 2015 14:44
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In the bill as proposed, your subversive elements of the ideology du jour can easily step around it anyway. It's a trifle to get a VPN service out of the UK, or set up mail encryption on your own device without a service provider, or use OTR if you're an organization that is determined to break the law, even if it is a pain in the rear end for the man on the street. This will mostly affect law abiding people, especially service providers offering secure communications to social benefit organizations that need to adhere to certain levels of confidentiality in their communications.
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Nov 4, 2015 14:54
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Guavanaut posted:I'm personally more worried that they're proposing a ban on any encryption that the service provider can't break Looks like that got dropped. From the draft Bill quote:The draft Bill will not impose any additional requirements in relation to encryption over and above the existing obligations in RIPA. The Bill is here: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/473770/Draft_Investigatory_Powers_Bill.pdf
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Nov 4, 2015 14:56
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I think twisto's been keeping out of this one for his own sanity. I KNOW YOU'RE THERE
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Nov 4, 2015 14:59
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Well that escalated quickly my brother finally got pissed off at being packed like sardines on his morning commute into Birmingham, posted a rant and a photo to London Midlands Facebook yesterday,it now has over 2 thousand likes and nearly 300 shares and hes on the radio tonight talking to a representative of the company.
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Nov 4, 2015 15:14
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If its the photo i've seen, its because its quite clearly breaking the rules on safe carriage of passengers.
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serious gaylord posted:If its the photo i've seen, its because its quite clearly breaking the rules on safe carriage of passengers. Yeah its probably the one you've seen. 
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Nov 4, 2015 15:24
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That's every commuter train every morning. Thankfully, in Scotland, if you get one a Wee bit earlier you're fine. But it takes a half hour away from my time in bed 
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Nov 4, 2015 15:25
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TheHoodedClaw posted:Looks like that got dropped. From the draft Bill
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Nov 4, 2015 15:25
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serious gaylord posted:If its the photo i've seen, its because its quite clearly breaking the rules on safe carriage of passengers. Everyday life from Chelmsford to London. There is never a day when you are not in more contact with a stranger than your other half.
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Rumda posted:Yeah its probably the one you've seen. My God look at how much room they have left! poo poo's improved since I was in Brum.
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Nov 4, 2015 15:33
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Renaissance Robot posted:No. Speak for yourself mate, *affixes Stalin moustache* Let's get this party started 
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Guavanaut posted:This will mostly affect law abiding people, especially service providers offering secure communications to social benefit organizations that need to adhere to certain levels of confidentiality in their communications. Even setting aside the civil liberty implications, this section is particularly daft: quote:Placing a legal duty on British companies to help law enforcement agencies hack devices to acquire information if it is reasonably practical to do so. Sounds like a good way to put any British company involved in security hardware out of business pretty fast.
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Nov 4, 2015 15:37
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Gonzo McFee posted:If you're wondering if things could have been better for Labour under the other contenders, here's what the second most left wing candidate has to say about the government having a mass surveillance of everyone's browser history. What's the source for this? I need to show it to Burnham sympathisers.
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Nov 4, 2015 15:52
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Rumda posted:Yeah its probably the one you've seen. Positively spacious compared to Thameslink.
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Nov 4, 2015 15:53
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The really obvious solution to overcrowded rush hour trains is staggered starting times. For example I start at 10 and leave at 6 and my train ride is much clearer as a result. This happened because because I told my employer I was going to leave if I couldn't do something about my commute and I don't know why more employers don't try this out.
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Mr Cuddles posted:The really obvious solution to overcrowded rush hour trains is staggered starting times. For example I start at 10 and leave at 6 and my train ride is much clearer as a result. This happened because because I told my employer I was going to leave if I couldn't do something about my commute. If businesses allowed this then Hard Working Families who try to Get On would be disadvantaged because staggered working hours are a danger to our economic security. We must all start at 9 and leave at 5 and any communist socialist homostalinists who suggest otherwise are unelectable.
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Tesseraction posted:If businesses allowed this then Hard Working Families who try to Get On would be disadvantaged because staggered working hours are a danger to our economic security. We must all start at 9 and leave at 5 and any communist socialist homostalinists who suggest otherwise are unelectable. let me be absolutely clear that we have to remain competitive while job creating and getting on and this policy runs counter to that and furthermore
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Nov 4, 2015 15:57
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Prince John posted:Even setting aside the civil liberty implications, this section is particularly daft: Does it really say 'help them hack'? Sounds like requiring 'secure' websites to inject malware into users' devices
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Prince John posted:Sounds like a good way to put any British company involved in security hardware out of business pretty fast. Possibly security software companies too, which is a bit unfortunate because I work for one. Edit: oh wait, we do actually do hardware as well. Welp! feedmegin fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Nov 4, 2015 |
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Nov 4, 2015 15:58
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feedmegin posted:Possibly software companies too, which is a bit unfortunate because I work for one. I await the new model with a glowing/bleeping box stuck on the side with "PROPERTY OF GCHQ / DO NOT REMOVE" printed on it.
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Tesseraction posted:If businesses allowed this then Hard Working Families who try to Get On would be disadvantaged because staggered working hours are a danger to our economic security. We must all start at 9 and leave at 5 and any communist socialist homostalinists who suggest otherwise are unelectable. look we all know the main measure of whether someone is a Striver or a Skiver is the state of their front windows re: curtains when you pass by them in the morning so if we start encouraging a culture where people have to wake up at different times then our witchhunts will be far less productive and that will have an added effect on our Strong Economy
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Giving the Tories a tiny bit of the benefit of doubt this one time, I don't think that the time you start work is actually controlled by government policy. Speak to your boss/union - I generally begin about half ten.
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Nov 4, 2015 16:08
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Someone hasn't heard of a little something called Alarm Clock Britain
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big scary monsters posted:Giving the Tories a tiny bit of the benefit of doubt this one time, I don't think that the time you start work is actually controlled by government policy. Speak to your boss/union - I generally begin about half ten. Government does not regulate it, but as a heads-up the invisible hand of the free market does not give a poo poo if you'd prefer to work different hours, because allowing it would mean that employees have more flexible working hours and might take advantage of such systems to start slightly late / finish slightly early. Which would be a travesty.
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baka kaba posted:Someone hasn't heard of a little something called Alarm Clock Britain 
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Top marks to Daily Mirror reporter Mikey Smith for this tweet which I just saw on the Guardian's surveillance plans liveblog: For those with a curious bent that first long pornhub link points to this (  obviously)
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cargohills posted:What's the source for this? I need to show it to Burnham sympathisers. https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/661889357272346624
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Mousepractice posted:Top marks to Daily Mirror reporter Mikey Smith for this tweet which I just saw on the Guardian's surveillance plans liveblog: Dear LORD.  Did he know that was there before he went or did he just search that on there without knowing what he'd find. I don't know if either answer is worse.
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Nov 4, 2015 16:29
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I though that giving Burnham the Home portfolio was smart as it meant he couldn't brief against the less authoritarian Corbyn. 
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Andy Burnham just knows that if he doesn't kowtow to May then she'll leak his addiction to windsock fetish porn.
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Mousepractice posted:Top marks to Daily Mirror reporter Mikey Smith for this tweet which I just saw on the Guardian's surveillance plans liveblog: That's quite the exciting five minutes this internet user has had there.
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Angepain posted:That's quite the exciting five minutes this internet user has had there. That's what it's like all day every day in the Jakiri household
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Angepain posted:That's quite the exciting five minutes this internet user has had there. I'm more bothered that all the clicks may lead to a huge surge in Theresa May porn.
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Dabir posted:It would be entirely eyesearing green on black though. Or is that a plus? ASDA's inhouse stock control system is unironically green on black and formatted like a readme file, ascii art boxes and all. I have no idea why.
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