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jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

pram posted:

ive been making stuff using influxdb recently (written in gods own language, Go) and its so great. metrics, logs, nagios events.. just pipe poo poo into it and throw a crappy javascript visualization over it and people will think you're a genius. check it out !

https://github.com/influxdb/influxdb

They've rewritten the storage backend what 4 / 5 times now ? :rip:

your metrics.

my stepdads beer posted:

i looked at this a while back for exactly the same thing and opentsdb looked way more mature. also it's on top of hbase
http://opentsdb.net/docs/build/html/index.html

i got sidetracked and never made a cool thing though.

Graphite + Grafana is powerful apart from the hilariously bad whisper file format which gets io bound once you have millions of dp/m

Prometheus has a pull model and is new and interesting https://github.com/prometheus/prometheus.github.io

pram posted:

yeah its also like 100x more complicated since you need hbase and zookeeper and *all my favorite java friends come in for a huge party*

Click create EMR cluster, point opentsdb at it.

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# ? May 12, 2024 06:54

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

i've set up graphite a few times and i hate it a lot and don't get the hype

prometheus looks cool thanks, last time i checked it out it was super new and didn't really do much

# ? Nov 1, 2015 00:09

pram: Jun 10, 2001

i looked at prometheus but it only seems to intentionally store, uhh, parts of the data .. and not every entry

# ? Nov 1, 2015 00:12

pram: Jun 10, 2001

so its kind of worthless for logging

# ? Nov 1, 2015 00:12

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

pram posted:

i looked at prometheus but it only seems to intentionally store, uhh, parts of the data .. and not every entry

What do you mean ?

# ? Nov 1, 2015 00:14

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

pram posted:

so its kind of worthless for logging

Why would you log to a time series database ?

Metrics aren't logs

# ? Nov 1, 2015 00:14

pram: Jun 10, 2001

http://prometheus.io/docs/introduction/comparison/

quote:

Still, InfluxDB is better geared towards the following use cases:

storing all individual events, not just time series of values
e.g. storing every HTTP request with full metadata vs. storing the cumulative count of HTTP requests for certain dimensions

gee why would i log to a tsdb. are you being intentionally retarded (yes)

# ? Nov 1, 2015 00:16

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

pram posted:

http://prometheus.io/docs/introduction/comparison/

gee why would i log to a tsdb. are you being intentionally retarded (yes)

No , you send metrics to a time series database not events.

If you're trying to store events in a time series database you are doing it wrong.

# ? Nov 1, 2015 00:17

pram: Jun 10, 2001

oh yeah? why do people use it as an output for stuff like fluentd. please stfu

# ? Nov 1, 2015 00:19

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

pram posted:

oh yeah? why do people use it as an output for stuff like fluentd. please stfu

Fluentd can generate metrics from log events, which you store in your time series database.

# ? Nov 1, 2015 00:25

pram: Jun 10, 2001

jre posted:

Fluentd can generate metrics from log events, which you store in your time series database.

# ? Nov 1, 2015 00:28

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

pram posted:

84.72.21.12 - - [04/Jul/2009:08:40:29 -0400] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 500 - "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_7; en-us) AppleWebKit/530.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.1 Safari/530.18"
84.72.21.12 - - [04/Jul/2009:08:40:29 -0400] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 500 - "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_7; en-us) AppleWebKit/530.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.1 Safari/530.18"
84.72.21.12 - - [04/Jul/2009:08:40:29 -0400] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 500 - "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_7; en-us) AppleWebKit/530.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.1 Safari/530.18"
84.72.21.12 - - [04/Jul/2009:08:40:29 -0400] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 500 - "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_7; en-us) AppleWebKit/530.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.1 Safari/530.18"
84.72.21.12 - - [04/Jul/2009:08:40:29 -0400] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 500 - "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_7; en-us) AppleWebKit/530.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.1 Safari/530.18"

Those are events

server.foo.bar.status.500 1446334342 5

That's a metric

# ? Nov 1, 2015 00:37

pram: Jun 10, 2001

stop loving posting you pedantic idiot

# ? Nov 1, 2015 00:40

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

influxdb does not resemble other tsdb products i have used

jre is right, it is completely normal to aggregate the data and only keep samples, running averages etc in the tsdb

# ? Nov 1, 2015 04:10

pram: Jun 10, 2001

ah yes but, as alluded to in my post, i am talking about influxdb

# ? Nov 1, 2015 04:15

nosl: Jan 17, 2015; CHIM, bitch!

carry on then posted:

do you not get the concept of a joke or something?

Joke?

# ? Nov 1, 2015 05:44

Crusader: Apr 11, 2002

http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1510.3/02866.html

quote:

Yes, yes, if this had stayed inside the network layer I would never
have noticed. But since I *did* notice, I really don't want to pull
this. In fact, I want to make it clear to *everybody* that code like
this is completely unacceptable. Anybody who thinks that code like
this is "safe" and "secure" because it uses fancy overflow detection
functions is so far out to lunch that it's not even funny. All this
kind of crap does is to make the code a unreadable mess with code that
no sane person will ever really understand what it actually does.

Get rid of it. And I don't *ever* want to see that poo poo again.

Linus

# ? Nov 3, 2015 02:35

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

did someone reply and correct him that it's "sh*t" not "poo poo"?

# ? Nov 3, 2015 02:57

Phoenixan: Jan 16, 2010; Just Keep Cool-idge

more accurate honestly is being angry from using computers for 20+ years

# ? Nov 3, 2015 03:07

ZShakespeare: Jul 20, 2003; The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

Linus is the best reason to not use Linux

# ? Nov 3, 2015 06:16

The_Franz: Aug 8, 2003

tbf most of his angry rants come at the end of long mailing list threads full of stupid poo poo where people deserve to be yelled at

# ? Nov 3, 2015 16:40

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

The_Franz posted:

tbf most of his angry rants come at the end of long mailing list threads full of stupid poo poo where people deserve to be yelled at

yeah that one rant about c++ feels very different when you actually read the e-mails from the rear end in a top hat that caused linus' ire

# ? Nov 3, 2015 16:44

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

rspamd is cool

# ? Nov 6, 2015 06:50

triple sulk: Sep 17, 2014

linus owns

# ? Nov 6, 2015 06:58

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

hell yeah that dawg does

# ? Nov 6, 2015 08:20

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

Symbolic Butt posted:

$ yum search python3
No matches found

centos is killing me

an update to this: there's python 3.4 on epel and it's all retarded and broken I'm fuming with rage right now gently caress

# ? Nov 6, 2015 17:36

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

I can't believe I'll have to compile python from source for this goddamn ansible playbook, how can these people gently caress this up jesus

# ? Nov 6, 2015 17:37

pram: Jun 10, 2001

how is that possible lol

# ? Nov 6, 2015 17:41

Perplx: Jun 26, 2004; Best viewed on Orgasma Plasma; Lipstick Apathy

how is it broken besides not coming with pip?

# ? Nov 6, 2015 17:42

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

Perplx posted:

how is it broken besides not coming with pip?

idk this seems to be the thing that is messing up when you try to use modules

python 3.4 embedded pip into python

epel maintainers for some reason removed that because they know better? but then they actually don't?!? I'm just mad here

# ? Nov 6, 2015 17:48

Lysidas: Jul 26, 2002; John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.; Pillbug

debian did the same thing

if you apt-get install python3-venv and run 'python3 -m venv whatever/venv/directory' it blows up with something like 'installing pip failed', you have to run it with (afaik) 'python3 -m venv --without-pip path/to/new/venv'

and then install pip manually inside the venv because no way the system package manager could make this easy

# ? Nov 6, 2015 18:17

MrMoo: Sep 14, 2000

Symbolic Butt posted:

an update to this: there's python 3.4 on epel and it's all retarded and broken I'm fuming with rage right now gently caress

Oracle Linux 6.7 you can get by with 3.3:

code:

$ sudo wget -O /etc/yum.repos.d/public-yum-ol6.repo http://public-yum.oracle.com/public-yum-ol6.repo
$ sudo yum install scl-utils
$ sudo yum install python33
$ scl enable python33 -- bash
$ python --version
Python 3.3.2

Without changing to Oracle RPMs one could try the RHEL/CentOS instructions for SCL

# ? Nov 6, 2015 18:38

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

at least python is easy to compile from source i guess? like it doesn't have dozens of complicated dependencies or anything

# ? Nov 6, 2015 19:56

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

Why does the bug reporter or whatever require you're sudo password and also why does the bug reporter take so long to work

# ? Nov 6, 2015 20:04

Perplx: Jun 26, 2004; Best viewed on Orgasma Plasma; Lipstick Apathy

MrMoo posted:

Oracle Linux 6.7 you can get by with 3.3:
code:
$ sudo wget -O /etc/yum.repos.d/public-yum-ol6.repo [url]http://public-yum.oracle.com/public-yum-ol6.repo[/url]
$ sudo yum install scl-utils
$ sudo yum install python33
$ scl enable python33 -- bash
$ python --version
Python 3.3.2
Without changing to Oracle RPMs one could try the RHEL/CentOS instructions for SCL

there is also iuscommunity thats maintained by rackspace, they actually have 3.5

https://iuscommunity.org/pages/Repos.html

# ? Nov 6, 2015 20:36

Jerry Bindle: May 16, 2003

i installed linux on a desktop. the fonts were all hosed up. maybe next year

# ? Nov 6, 2015 20:39

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Symbolic Butt posted:

an update to this: there's python 3.4 on epel and it's all retarded and broken I'm fuming with rage right now gently caress

the redhat-supported way to do this is with software collections. python 3.3 is available fully supported from rh or cent.

there's a community-provided 3.4, but, uh, community-provided. might as well be using epel or some such garbage.

# ? Nov 7, 2015 01:15

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

Smythe posted:

Why does the bug reporter or whatever require you're sudo password and also why does the bug reporter take so long to work

because the bug report can potentially access sensitive information, i would assume. it might also just depend on what application crashed. maybe. idk, just spitballing here.

and yah other dude, you need scl.

or just install docker on your centos and then get a docker with python3 and use that.

# ? Nov 7, 2015 02:03

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

apparently anaconda is the way to roll for non garbage python installs?

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# ? May 12, 2024 06:54

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

removing pip should be grounds for losing your ability to upload packages though

# ? Nov 7, 2015 13:24

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