|
dissss posted:Doesn't change the fact that diesels in small cars are dead - just look at what is happening in Europe now Its not going to be dead for a while, there is too much of a surplus in diesel engines in the EU for it to be 'dead' right away, and for right now diesel is still standard in most non-VW cars sold in Europe. Its going to make a huge dent on cars sold with diesel in the next few years, but its unlikely to do anything more than put a dent in it, especially as gasoline prices are still fairly high and CO2 regulations are also among chief concerns for new petrol motors.
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 19:16
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 16:49 |
|
|
ddogflex posted:Anyone have any opinion on the 2016 Golf Sportwagen TSI S? I just got a 2016 Golf and was close to buying the wagon. They're almost the same vehicle other than the additional cargo space. Edmunds.com might have local pricing info for you.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 19:30
|
|
|
CommieGIR posted:We get it, you hate diesels. Shut up now. They (VW) was doing some amazing poo poo with diesels, but couldn't keep em clean.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 19:39
|
|
|
CommieGIR posted:Its not going to be dead for a while, there is too much of a surplus in diesel engines in the EU for it to be 'dead' right away, and for right now diesel is still standard in most non-VW cars sold in Europe. Across the whole of Europe is is about 50-50 now. In some countries like France there is still a far greater portion of diesels but this could never carry on beyond a few years out anyway - just look at the problems in Paris that are (rightly or wrongly) getting attributed to diesel vehicles. You're correct that CO2 emissions are a big factor in Europe, but you have to remember diesels are no better than the equivalent petrol now
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 19:40
|
|
|
dissss posted:Across the whole of Europe is is about 50-50 now. Its not really 50-50, it varies from EU state to state, but diesel still dominates mostly: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/ba/Passenger_cars_in_the_EU.png And of that, VW is a large player, but by no means a majority: http://www.theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/Pocketbook_LowRes_withNotes-1.pdf (Figure 2-3) And they are not even the majority manufacturer of diesel motors in EU: (Figure 4-7) CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Nov 4, 2015 |
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 19:47
|
|
|
Yeah you linked the 2011 report In 2014 the split across the EU as a whole was 53% diesel, 44.3% straight petrol and 2.7% 'alternative' (includes petrol hybrids) http://www.theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/EU_pocketbook_2014.pdf
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 19:55
|
|
|
I just drove by the VW dealership that I work near and they're pulling all the cars off the lot that aren't a V6 Passat. Amazing poo poo.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 20:01
|
|
|
Lightbulb Out posted:I just drove by the VW dealership that I work near and they're pulling all the cars off the lot that aren't a V6 Passat. Amazing poo poo. 👌👀👌👀👌👀👌👀👌👀 good poo poo go౦ԁ poo poo👌 thats ✔ some good👌👌poo poo right👌👌th 👌 ere👌👌👌 right✔there ✔✔if i do ƽaү so my selｆ 💯 i say so 💯 thats what im talking about right there right there (chorus: ʳᶦᵍʰᵗ ᵗʰᵉʳᵉ) mMMMMᎷМ💯 👌👌 👌НO0ОଠＯOOＯOОଠଠOoooᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒ👌 👌👌 👌 💯 👌 👀 👀👀 👌👌Good poo poo (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 20:03
|
|
|
Lightbulb Out posted:I just drove by the VW dealership that I work near and they're pulling all the cars off the lot that aren't a V6 Passat. Amazing poo poo. There is a VW dealership within a couple miles of me that has just been cleared by the city to build. They have been planning it for a couple years and just broke ground about 3 months ago... nothing has happened on the site since the diesel news broke. I wonder if they are going to go through with the build, or scrap plans until later.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:14
|
|
EVERYWHERE 
|
http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-recalling-92-000-cars-for-shearing-camshafts-1740571907 Sintered camshafts with press in lobes? What the hell guys? quote:Normally camshafts are machined from bar stock or cast from molten iron, but Volkswagen opted for modular sintered camshafts, whose lobes are pressed on. The friction from interference fit between the lobe’s and the shaft causes the lobe to “become one” with the shaft.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:18
|
|
|
CommieGIR posted:http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-recalling-92-000-cars-for-shearing-camshafts-1740571907 Looks like someone didn't consult with ford/yamaha.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:33
|
|
|
Enourmo posted:Looks like someone didn't consult with ford/yamaha. I thought it was going to be a repeat of the early CRD motors where the camshaft would split in two
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:40
|
|
|
At least my GTI VIN isn't affected. M006885
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:41
|
|
|
Why are they running the vacuum pump off the exhaust camshaft?
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:45
|
|
|
Shifty Pony posted:Why are they running the vacuum pump off the exhaust camshaft? They've been doing that for a while now.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:58
|
|
|
spog posted:I think that the description of the issue as a 'defeat device' has been unhelpful as it is not a device (i.e. a separate component), but it is a piece of very specific programming. You're really suggesting there is some controversy over this when there isn't. "Defeat device" is the termt hat is laid out and defined in the clean air act. The law literally says "guys don't use a defeat device". VW used a defeat device. No one is contesting any of this. Almost half of Golf sales are GTI/R, because why would anyone buy a regular Golf?
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 00:12
|
|
|
I guess it makes as much sense as anywhere else. I just always thought of them being belt driven or integrated with the alternator. I haven't worked on much that has a turbo and needed vacuum. Tractors don't often bother with brake boosters.
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 00:18
|
|
|
Dick Trauma posted:I just got a 2016 Golf and was close to buying the wagon. They're almost the same vehicle other than the additional cargo space. Edmunds.com might have local pricing info for you. I'm actually sorta torn between the two. I'm use to a smaller hatchback, I have a 2005 Kia Spectre5 right now (a terrible piece of poo poo). But I'm use to the whole not being long thing. The price difference is only like $1000 between the wagon and the 4-door. So it's really just a "will I hate the length parking in the city," not price. I'm pretty sold on a Golf SE in either fashion though. I really dug it. Also, this is really dumb thing to like a car over, I know a lot have it, and this is just the first I've seen it, but CarPlay is rad.
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 03:55
|
|
|
They are pretty close in length, but it's enough to make the difference in cargo space noticeable (without flipping the seats down.) There's no turning back but I'm wondering if down the road I won't be annoyed at myself for going from a wagon to a hatch. I guess I just didn't want to buy the same car twice in a row. If you don't care about that extra space then go with the Golf. From the rear seatbacks forward they are basically exactly the same. The technology is freaking me out because my last VW was over ten years old. There's so many goddamn buttons but I'm starting to get the hang of it. Keyless entry/starting/locking is weird but cool. Can't make much use of the backup camera yet. The guides aren't dynamic which I think would help me. So far my favorite thing is the radio. So many presets, and FM HD is really neat with the station and song info being displayed. There's a subwoofer mounted over the spare and I had to turn it down to keep it from booming but otherwise the sound is so much better than the Monsoon in my old VW.
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 04:25
|
|
|
Throatwarbler posted:Almost half of Golf sales are GTI/R, because why would anyone buy a regular Golf? Good cargo space in a manageable footprint, interior is a decent place to be, good mileage (obtained at the price of terrible emissions, it now appears.)
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 04:29
|
|
|
Plugged my 2015 GTI VIN into https://www.vw.com/owners-recalls/ just to check and I got:quote:We could not find recall/service campaign information about this vehicle because: Well that's not very loving helpful then, is it? I'm starting to regret buying this car even though I love it so very, very much. But all this bad VW news is making me nervous.
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 11:49
|
|
|
That's what happens when you fire all the software guys
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 22:15
|
|
|
Maybe they thought they'd get more mileage out of their work.
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 23:28
|
|
|
Possibility of an error? Bucket those fuckers and spit out one response.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 00:36
|
|
|
You know what you should do if you are a large foreign company with few political friends that has just been caught dead to rights in an enormous fraud poisoning the very air we breath? Let's now start a public fight with the EPA that will make them look like incompetent fools if they *don't* nail your balls to the wall and make you pay the full penalty and serve every year of your sentence. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/11/volkswagen-meeting-epa-discuss-diesel-emissions-program/ quote:
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 01:29
|
|
|
This seems like an odd time to start claiming that they didn't install a defeat device.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 01:45
|
|
|
Maybe VW's internal teams are tearing each other apart? It would explain why the message seems to be getting a little schizophrenic.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 02:28
|
|
|
What do they have to lose at this point? They're on the ball for billions. It's a huge hail mary play but it's frankly all they've got other than getting out the blank checks. Does take some serious gonads to basically try the "Jedi mind trick" defense after they've already publicly admitted they hosed up.
Imagined fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Nov 6, 2015 |
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 02:38
|
|
|
Isn't it common on modern cars to behave differently on cold start because of emissions?
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 03:13
|
|
|
Yes they bump the idle up for a bit to get things warmed up. I also don't think they start using feedback from the O2 sensor and whatnot until everything has warmed up a bit. The "temperature conditioning" mode lasting just as long as the EPA emissions test is quite suspect though.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 03:20
|
|
|
They're pulling the Wall Street play. "What we did was technically legal".
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 15:43
|
|
|
veedubfreak posted:They're pulling the Wall Street play. The best kind of legal.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 15:46
|
|
|
veedubfreak posted:They're pulling the Wall Street play. There is no way that will actually work.... ...is there?
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 16:09
|
|
|
Even if the defeat device/cold start is technically legal, they are not disputing the fact that the cars pollute over the legal limit after the time period expires.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 16:46
|
|
|
Good luck with the "it was serious enough that we apologized for it and paid a fine, but it wasn't actually illegal" defense. "We didn't do it, oh wait, we did, but it was actually legal."
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 18:36
|
|
|
Arsenic Lupin posted:Good luck with the "it was serious enough that we apologized for it and paid a fine, but it wasn't actually illegal" defense. "We didn't do it, oh wait, we did, but it was actually legal." "I was only following orders" 
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 19:40
|
|
|
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/11/exclusive-volkswagen-to-announce-tdi-goodwill-program-next-week/quote:Volkswagen of America, in a bid to regain the trust of current diesel owners, will announce a prepaid card campaign on November 9, TTAC has learned. 
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 19:47
|
|
|
just sign this paper saying you won't sue and you could get $500 of groceries FREE
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 20:04
|
|
|
Has anyone lawyered up yet? I have a lemon lawyer down the street from me. I figured I'd give them my business since they're local. I'd rather ignore the mailers from other law firms that are based outside of LA county.
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 22:43
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 16:49 |
|
|
Just curious but what are you planning on sueing for?
|
|
#
?
Nov 6, 2015 22:47
|
|