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Now the Conservatives can complain about how these fat cats are wasting taxpayer dollars by giving themselves a huge pay increase.
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It's interesting that Catherine McKenna is the Minister of Environment and Climate Change, yet Dion chairs the committee on environment, climate change, and energy.
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vyelkin posted:It's interesting that Catherine McKenna is the Minister of Environment and Climate Change, yet Dion chairs the committee on environment, climate change, and energy. I'm guessing it's because otherwise he would never shut the gently caress up about it.
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Nov 6, 2015 16:28
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vyelkin posted:It's interesting that Catherine McKenna is the Minister of Environment and Climate Change, yet Dion chairs the committee on environment, climate change, and energy. They just avoided giving cabinet committee chairs to the corresponding minister, which is smart. It gives a counterweight to the minister and department's priorities on a given file and avoids giving the signal that the relevant cabinet committee is just an outgrowth of the "main" department on the file. Growth, Opportunities, and Innovation is chaired by the minister of health. Diversity and Inclusion by immigration. Canada in the World by public safety. Open and transparent government by public works.
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Nov 6, 2015 16:49
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How do committees function in government? Is it a fixed, formal role or does it depend on the government and people of the day?
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Nov 6, 2015 17:07
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Did I read this right pm hair force is pro keystone XL? Lmao
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Obama has cancelled Keystone so I guess now everyone can shut up about it
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Cultural Imperial posted:Did I read this right pm hair force is pro keystone XL? On that note E: beaten
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Count Roland posted:How do committees function in government? Is it a fixed, formal role or does it depend on the government and people of the day? It varies from government to government. You can see this government's assignments here, with various degrees of precision on each committee's job. Under Harper, it was said that Priorities & Planning was the only real functioning committee (along with possibly Operations?). JT promised a return to cabinet governance, but probably not even they know how it's going to work out.
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Nov 6, 2015 17:37
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Sedge and Bee posted:Coyne's comment about men dominating committees is still a good one though. Committees look like they'll be much more important under this cabinet so that is a way that women will have less influence. This isn't conjecture at all. Who's your insider into the Liberal caucus? Have they checked their privilege? Don't you know that a government can only be accurately judged the two days after they formally take power?
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Nov 6, 2015 17:51
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Sedge and Bee posted:On that note To anyone in future who wants to herald JT's impeccable environment record, remember this pls
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Nov 6, 2015 17:58
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Everyone knows that the CPC and LPC are on the same page when it comes to business, industry and finance. LPC just gives more lip service and foreplay before pegging. NDP, LPC and CPC all govern based on neoliberal ideals. Change will come to Canada ten years after the rest of the world unloads neoliberalism.
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Nov 6, 2015 18:00
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Yes, the world will return to full communism. This economic insight is brought to you by weed and unicorn dreams
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cowofwar posted:Everyone knows that the CPC and LPC are on the same page when it comes to business, industry and finance. LPC just gives more lip service and foreplay before pegging. What grade are you in?
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Nov 6, 2015 18:03
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Well Keynesian economics like Trudeau ran are what neoliberalism fought against so that's not really true at all. All the parties currently argue from a capitalist understanding of society, the socialism of the NDP being atrophied but still probably the biggest deviation from capitalism. That's a much better statement that trying to characterize every policy favoring business as neoliberalism.
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Nov 6, 2015 18:10
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Sedge and Bee posted:On that note Waiting to hear about how Obama waited for someone less intimidating to be voted in. How is Justin going to stand up to Putin now?!
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Nov 6, 2015 18:13
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Sedge and Bee posted:Well Keynesian economics like Trudeau ran are what neoliberalism fought against so that's not really true at all. What's Keynesian about JT's program?
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Nov 6, 2015 18:13
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Deficit spending to boost the economy is literally Keynesian economics 101.
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Sedge and Bee posted:Deficit spending to boost the economy is literally Keynesian economics 101. Are we in a downturn that I missed? How much is 0.5% of GDP in infrastructure spending going to boost GDP?
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Pinterest Mom posted:Are we in a downturn that I missed? We are in a downturn, or were the last time I checked. And arguing that deficit spending will boost job growth like Trudeau did is a Keynesian argument, regardless of the amount, and I doubt the deficit will actually stay at 10 billion. I don't personally believe Keynesianism is good policy and I think progressives hold onto it as a sort of socialism-lite because of the lack of alternatives acceptable by mainstream society. But show me what neoliberal economist ever said not balancing budgets or expanding government spending were acceptable policy choices. E: half of the reason people are even talking about Trudeau abroad is his perceived bucking of the neoliberalism inspired trend of austerity measures as a solution to economic problems. Beelzebufo fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Nov 6, 2015 |
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bunnyofdoom posted:Helsing sounds familiar to my personal situation. Cancer and radiation treatment caused me to gained 80lbs and I have struggled to lose it constantly Similar story. I was super swole, then I had a mental breakdown and ended up on a stiff course of antidepressants. (Side effect #1? Weight gain.) Guess what happened? I got fat - gained 80 pounds. But let me tell you I sure appreciate the heckling I get from people on the side of the road! It really reminds me that I should never have been anxious and depressed in the first place. Oh, by the way, Keystone XL got rejected. Edit: beaten twice. drat.
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Sedge and Bee posted:We are in a downturn, or were the last time I checked. And arguing that deficit spending will boost job growth like Trudeau did is a Keynesian argument, regardless of the amount, and I doubt the deficit will actually stay at 10 billion. No, that's incorrect. Keynesian economics specifically requires extremely large amounts of stimulus to work. That's part of the model. Running small deficits is not Keynesian economics.
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Nov 6, 2015 18:37
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But of course it's not over because the legal challenge will extend well into the next presidency. Obama sounds very tired of the whole thing.
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flakeloaf posted:But of course it's not over because the legal challenge will extend well into the next presidency. Obama sounds very tired of the whole thing. I fully expect Trans-Canada to sue the US under some investor protection law. And they probably have a good chance of winning. US domestic companies were allowed to build a bunch of pipelines the same size as keystone, while keystone was held up primarily because it much easier to block a trans border pipeline than a domestic one. They probably can make a good case for receiving different treatment by the US government.
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RBC posted:No, that's incorrect. Keynesian economics specifically requires extremely large amounts of stimulus to work. That's part of the model. Running small deficits is not Keynesian economics. No, Keynesian economics is a government focus on boosting aggregate demand when this doesn't equal aggregate supply. It doesn't have to be a massive spending increase to be a Keynesian argument. The rhetoric and arguments Trudeau used were explicitly Keynesian, his claims were that spending would boost job growth and by extension government revenue in the long-term. There's no way that's neoliberal, that's a market distortion to neoliberalism and anathema as an argument to make. But even beyond that, arguing that supporting a trans-border pipeline is somehow "neoliberal" rather than capitalist is extremely dumb. If anybody is expecting any mainstream economists to come make passionate defences of the need to focus on things other than economic growth, like the environment, they're going to be disappointed. Capitalism still remains the main problem in the way of preventing environmental damage when a profit motive exist, and a return to earlier forms of it won't change that. E: You can argue that he's not Keynesian enough to have an effect I guess, but you should at least be aware of the terms you're using. VVV Ahahahaha, hilarious. I'd forgotten about the concert for Bibi. Beelzebufo fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Nov 6, 2015 |
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Nov 6, 2015 18:56
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Canada's PM to be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize It's not who you think! quote:B’nai Brith Canada has announced that it will nominate Canada’s Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, for the Nobel Peace prize.
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Haha, B'nai Brith Canada is full of horrible people who shame the religion they profess to follow and defend. Now that he's out of the public eye, Harper should go to Israel and finally consummate his giant crush on Bibi. PT6A fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Nov 6, 2015 |
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Nov 6, 2015 19:00
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Sedge and Bee posted:VVV Ahahahaha, hilarious. I'd forgotten about the concert for Bibi. "in my capacity as Professor of Modern Israel Studies at Canada Christian College," lol. Such gravitas! Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Nov 6, 2015 |
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Nov 6, 2015 19:04
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Brannock posted:What grade are you in? Here I am defining neoliberalism as: 1. Deregulation. 2. Anti-labor. 3. Privatization. 4. Tax reduction. 5. Free trade. 6. Austerity. Until I see any evidence otherwise, all three parties all neoliberals. I don't give a poo poo about what the parties or leaders have said, it comes down to their actual legislative record.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Are we in a downturn that I missed? What rock have you been under? 
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This story comes out every year, it is absurdly easy to nominate anyone for a Nobel Peace Prize, any elected official or academic can nominate anyone they like. Supposedly even the professor of modern Israel studies at Canada Christian College who nominates Harper every year (but I doubt it).
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Sedge and Bee posted:No, Keynesian economics is a government focus on boosting aggregate demand when this doesn't equal aggregate supply. It doesn't have to be a massive spending increase to be a Keynesian argument. The rhetoric and arguments Trudeau used were explicitly Keynesian, his claims were that spending would boost job growth and by extension government revenue in the long-term. There's no way that's neoliberal, that's a market distortion to neoliberalism and anathema as an argument to make. But even beyond that, arguing that supporting a trans-border pipeline is somehow "neoliberal" rather than capitalist is extremely dumb. If anybody is expecting any mainstream economists to come make passionate defences of the need to focus on things other than economic growth, like the environment, they're going to be disappointed. Capitalism still remains the main problem in the way of preventing environmental damage when a profit motive exist, and a return to earlier forms of it won't change that. That's a very shallow understanding of what it is and not true at all. You can argue all you want about Trudeau's "rhetoric" but he is not proposing Keynesian stimulus. However I do feel this is the perfect example of how effectively he's been able to frame himself as progressive while actually having meaningless centrist policies. Want to claim you'll raise taxes on the rich? Doesn't matter if it's .5% or 50%. Any raise allows you to claim that. Is that range in any way comparable? Nope. Want to claim you're going to provide Keynesian stimulus? Does it matter if it's a 10 billion or 100 billion deficit? Nope, clearly not. Are they effectively the same thing? Not in any way.
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I don't even know what you guys are disagreeing about, they've already said that they don't expect the infrastructure spending to affect the economy.
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Nov 6, 2015 19:36
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Christ just legalize weed already. He's not my PM until he does that.
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It's de facto legal now if you're in the right city and you're the right colour. This post just reminded me and probably half of you of that horrible city & colour song about the guy saving his scissors instead of jamming them in your eardrums out of mercy, and for that I apologize.
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cowofwar posted:Change will come to Canada ten years after the rest of the world unloads neoliberalism. I for one look forward to being able to point out the encroaching global fascist nightmare to my oblivious suburbanite neighbours
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Kafka Esq. posted:I don't even know what you guys are disagreeing about, they've already said that they don't expect the infrastructure spending to effect the economy. Given that it already exists, nothing can effect the economy.
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flakeloaf posted:It's de facto legal now if you're in the right city and you're the right colour. Yeah, but I want it to be actually legal. Decriminalization does not interest me. I'm very curious about how the Liberals will go about doing it, there are a few examples in the US and they're none of them the same. I know a lot about the subject so I feel like flooding the thread with my informed opinions on the matter instead of listening to diet advice.
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sliderule posted:Given that it already exists, nothing can effect the economy. Argh.
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