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FutureCop posted:Does anyone know if fully-charging a melee charge attack makes a difference in the strength of the attack? To do a charged attack, you technically only need to hold the mouse button down for a brief moment, so I'm unsure if holding it down further makes it hit harder, or is just for timing. It's just for timing and positioning, so that you can backstep, charge, and then move back into range, etc.
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I can't get on with the rapier for witch hunter. I accept that it does great single target damage but I really miss the crowd control of the double handed sword. Any tips?
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Nov 6, 2015 17:11
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It actually does a great job at skirmishing with people if you keep moving side to side and front to back while light attacking. The stab also pierces multiple rats and does big damage, and both attack types have Headshot so if you swing at head level you'll start harvesting rats. It works best as a skirmishing weapon around the side of a fight while a buddy with a shield gets their attention, but it's a pretty great weapon overall.
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Nov 6, 2015 17:12
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Mr Cuddles posted:I can't get on with the rapier for witch hunter. I accept that it does great single target damage but I really miss the crowd control of the double handed sword. Any tips?
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Nov 6, 2015 17:18
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Al Borland posted:penetrate on both normal and charged attacks. Axe + Shield has armor penetration on both attacks as well. I'd argue that it may be the best melee weaponset in the game for fighting Stormvermin due to its armor pen, high block, and AoE stunlock capability, which leaves the 1H axe with little role.
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Nov 6, 2015 17:49
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Drythe posted:And covering the flank. Especially since the staff doesn't use ammo. I prefer the primary attack on fireball/conflag for CC over the conflag secondary. On nightmare it's trickier due to friendly fire, but if you are firing enfilade, you will often hit 2 or more rats with a single shot. This can easily lead to more dead rats/unit heat than a fully charged conflagration, and allows cooling down in between and does not require as much co-ordination with the team.
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Nov 6, 2015 17:50
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I wasn't even saying to do that. Charging a conflag shot to kill a few rats is dumb, don't do that.
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Nov 6, 2015 17:53
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Drythe posted:I wasn't even saying to do that. Charging a conflag shot to kill a few rats is dumb, don't do that. Sorry, wasn't suggesting you were, just wanted some part to refer back to conflag staff talk.
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Nov 6, 2015 18:11
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Mr Cuddles posted:I can't get on with the rapier for witch hunter. I accept that it does great single target damage but I really miss the crowd control of the double handed sword. Any tips? Also yes to all the rapier-stuff mentioned, but if you wanna go for the double handed then go for it because it's fukken badass. 
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Nov 6, 2015 18:19
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I have a really cool 1h sword for the soldier with +2 stamina points and swift slaying. The charged attack has headshot too, so it lets me ruin stormvermin without needing a handgun if someone else in my team wants to be the designated sniper. Have we heard any more about red quality items the dev talked about? I want them to have unique traits like giving the BW a flaming sword that does more damage the higher your heat gauge is.
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Nov 6, 2015 18:20
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Metrohunter posted:I have a really cool 1h sword for the soldier with +2 stamina points and swift slaying. The charged attack has headshot too, so it lets me ruin stormvermin without needing a handgun if someone else in my team wants to be the designated sniper. Cue wizard eclipsing the elf as worst pubbie character as they constantly overheat, explode, and complain that it's everyone else's fault.
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Nov 6, 2015 18:22
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at least the wizard has a fleeting moment of usefulness when they die, unlike the elf
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Nov 6, 2015 18:26
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Metrohunter posted:I have a really cool 1h sword for the soldier with +2 stamina points and swift slaying. The charged attack has headshot too, so it lets me ruin stormvermin without needing a handgun if someone else in my team wants to be the designated sniper. Cheat Engine shows memory addresses for iron_tokens, bronze_tokens, and silver_tokens, (white, green, blue upgrade mats respectively) But it also has an entry for gold_tokens, so either they're dummied out or they definitely have plans for some sort of higher upgrade tier in the future.
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Nov 6, 2015 18:29
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Rolled oranges for the first time: Dual daggers.  +2 to stamina, chance to proc + attack speed on normal strikes and chance to recover health on charged hits. 
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Nov 6, 2015 19:03
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Mr Cuddles posted:I can't get on with the rapier for witch hunter. I accept that it does great single target damage but I really miss the crowd control of the double handed sword. Any tips? Also don't forget to map your 'special' button to a hotkey you remember so you can instantly fire the offhand pistol.
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Nov 6, 2015 19:08
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drat Dirty Ape posted:Also don't forget to map your 'special' button to a hotkey you remember so you can instantly fire the offhand pistol. Also remember that the sidearm damage doesn't scale with rapier quality. The orange rapier pistol takes 3 shots to kill a slave rat on cataclysm 
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Nov 6, 2015 19:13
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Mr Cuddles posted:I can't get on with the rapier for witch hunter. I accept that it does great single target damage but I really miss the crowd control of the double handed sword. Any tips? It provides a different sort of crowd control. Less knockback, but faster and still has plenty of sweep. You can tie up fairly large group of slave/clanrats, but you have to stay mobile. You can also blender slaverats quite quickly, as you will almost always 2 shot them, and frequently 1 shot them in the head. If you have Devastating blow, you can also quickly knock a bunch down and then continue swiping. Thrusts are more for Stormvermin & specials, or want the extra lunge forward.
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Nov 6, 2015 19:15
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Be a man and zweihander it
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Nov 6, 2015 19:15
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Zhulik posted:Also remember that the sidearm damage doesn't scale with rapier quality. The orange rapier pistol takes 3 shots to kill a slave rat on cataclysm Ugh, I didn't know that. Hopefully they fix it because it is one of the fun unique things about the rapier.
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Nov 6, 2015 19:16
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PantsOptional posted:If you're in bleedout health (grey bar) and you recover health through a bloodlust/regrowth weapon, does it increase the bleedout health or switch you over into normal health again? It increases the bleed out health until you get down to that magic pixel of health left. Let it run down to 1hp and it turns to a normal health bar.
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Nov 6, 2015 19:27
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Skandranon posted:Cue wizard eclipsing the elf as worst pubbie character as they constantly overheat, explode, and complain that it's everyone else's fault.
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Nov 6, 2015 19:33
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Zephro posted:Is the wizard generally considered Bad? She's my favourite character so far. Was a response to this: Metrohunter posted:I want them to have unique traits like giving the BW a flaming sword that does more damage the higher your heat gauge is.
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Nov 6, 2015 19:37
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none of the characters are bad
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Nov 6, 2015 19:37
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Zephro posted:Is the wizard generally considered Bad? She's my favourite character so far. The wizard is really good, it's just played carelessly she tends to explode or take a lot of venting damage. Every character is good and fun.
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Nov 6, 2015 19:38
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Zhulik posted:Also remember that the sidearm damage doesn't scale with rapier quality. The orange rapier pistol takes 3 shots to kill a slave rat on cataclysm Zephro posted:Is the wizard generally considered Bad? She's my favourite character so far. e: Once people understand what the heat meter means, anyhow.
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Nov 6, 2015 19:39
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explosivo posted:It increases the bleed out health until you get down to that magic pixel of health left. Let it run down to 1hp and it turns to a normal health bar. That makes sense. I was doing an Enemy Below run last night and had gone into bleedout but then a few minutes later noticed that I was at like 60%. Thanks.
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Nov 6, 2015 19:46
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give the dwarf a hammer that has increased damage for 30 seconds after drinking a potion and make it give him drunk vision
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Nov 6, 2015 19:50
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I just picked up this game and did the first mission but couldn't finish it? I got in the wagon and closed the door but nothing happened. Did I miss something?
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Nov 6, 2015 20:12
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seizure later posted:I just picked up this game and did the first mission but couldn't finish it? I got in the wagon and closed the door but nothing happened. Did I miss something? I don't think it will let you win if there are other people who are alive who aren't in the wagon.
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Nov 6, 2015 20:14
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I've had the wagon bug out and not let me leave multiple times. Everyone was in the wagon. It's really lovely when it happens and I hope they fix it soon.
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Nov 6, 2015 20:15
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Sometimes opening and closing the door again, or having someone get off and on will fix it. Unfortunately, you don't always have time to troubleshoot when the rats are upon you.
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Nov 6, 2015 20:19
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My group have tried all that as well as killing someone and then going to go fetch their respawned rear end and then hauling back to the wagon and we've never made it out 
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Nov 6, 2015 20:20
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I had an interesting experience with a friend on Gardens of Morr. It was my friend's first time through the map. He was the WH and got grabbed by a packmaster. The whole group spun around and fired some potshots at it. One of the shots knocked it back into a rock and it went through the rock. Since the packmaster was now inside the level it fell to what i guess is the bottom of the map on a grey looking sky. Unfortunately it pulled my friend with him. Sometimes there not much you can do when the game really decides to screw you over. We still beat the level but that was kind of a what do we do moment.
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Nov 6, 2015 20:30
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see now, poo poo like that is hilarious getting to the end of horn with 3 tomes and 2 grimoires only to have the wagon bug out is not
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Krinkle posted:I don't think it will let you win if there are other people who are alive who aren't in the wagon. Everyone was alive and in the wagon, and we tried opening and closing the door and getting out and in again, but it never left the game. We eventually just died to continuous hordes.
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Nov 6, 2015 20:49
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I'm really bad at throwing the barrel to the middle objective on the wharf level!
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Nov 6, 2015 20:51
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Night10194 posted:The wizard is really good, it's just played carelessly she tends to explode or take a lot of venting damage.
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Nov 6, 2015 20:59
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seizure later posted:Everyone was alive and in the wagon, and we tried opening and closing the door and getting out and in again, but it never left the game. We eventually just died to continuous hordes. weird. definitely had it not trigger properly, but everyone walking out, and walking back in has always fixed it. host probably thinks someone isn't in the exit zone, thanks desync
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Nov 6, 2015 21:04
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hemale in pain posted:I'm really bad at throwing the barrel to the middle objective on the wharf level! you can't just stand anywhere; once you find the right spot you'll never miss again though. also make sure to do that warehouse first, so you don't waste your time.
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ZearothK posted:Rolled oranges for the first time: Dual daggers. Daggers were my first orange too. I hated them for a while but after a few runs they clicked for me. They attack so fast that you can easily counter hit most rats before they finish their attack animation. Headshots will one hit kill, and the power attacks completely poo poo on stormvermin and rat ogres. The shove/block animations are really quick so you should get plenty of use out of the extra stam, and the attack speed buff will let you poke rats to death that much faster since you already have a really high attack speed.
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