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They batleth was a terrible idea and made everything too Ancient Chinese Master Honor Tale, right down to Worves heavy linen judo gi. The klingons should have been a knife fighting race. Disruptors at a distance then all knife fighting, close-in prison riot style like that time on The Wire when they came for Omar. The batleth gave them too much leeway to make Klingons uncool and let Worf be insufferable. Worf should have carried his knife on duty, but with some token peace bond that he'd break in circumstances where the officers were like "gently caress it, we're out of options, just let Worf loose with his knife and see how many he can take down". Instead he became that creepy kid with mall katanas and wall scrolls.
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shadow puppet of a posted:They batleth was a terrible idea and made everything too Ancient Chinese Master Honor Tale, right down to Worves heavy linen judo gi. The klingons should have been a knife fighting race. Disruptors at a distance then all knife fighting, close-in prison riot style like that time on The Wire when they came for Omar. The batleth gave them too much leeway to make Klingons uncool and let Worf be insufferable. Worf should have carried his knife on duty, but with some token peace bond that he'd break in circumstances where the officers were like "gently caress it, we're out of options, just let Worf loose with his knife and see how many he can take down". Instead he became that creepy kid with mall katanas and wall scrolls. To be fair, they seemed to use the Bat'leth when they were being ceremonial and poo poo and the D'k tahg (the knife with the pop-out bits) or the Mek'leth when they wanted to actually get stuff done
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Nov 9, 2015 05:07
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the only time worf ever bum rushes anyone is when they're super strong like the borg and need to show the audience that they are indeed strong. I mean if we are talking TNG Worf, because in DS9 he'd photon torpedo anyone
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Nov 9, 2015 05:08
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The Klingons are so honorable, they choose a weapon that puts both combatants on the same equally awkward footing.
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Nov 9, 2015 05:12
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MikeJF posted:To be fair, they seemed to use the Bat'leth when they were being ceremonial and poo poo and the D'k tahg (the knife with the pop-out bits) or the Mek'leth when they wanted to actually get stuff done True, but the ceremoniality was the problem. It let Worf get all up is own rear end with it and eventually turn into the giant opera-loving redshirt babby that cried to himself aboard the Defiant. I'm saying the relics of Kahless should have been closer to a football hooligan's rusty Stanley knife than a steel chandelier.
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Nov 9, 2015 05:13
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MikeJF posted:To be fair, they seemed to use the Bat'leth when they were being ceremonial and poo poo and the D'k tahg (the knife with the pop-out bits) or the Mek'leth when they wanted to actually get stuff done Yeah betleHmey are for honour duels and the like. qeylIS forged the first betleH to topple a dictatorship: it's more a weapon to kill governments than individual people.
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Nov 9, 2015 05:16
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muscles like this? posted:Frakes said "make it more like a dude" and the producers said "no, that's gay." not just more like a dude, he specifically wanted his love interest to be played by a male actor (so he'd be Gay Kissin It Up On Daytime TV) but that was just not on frakes rules
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Frakes to writing staff: Riker should bang more dudes. He's an equal opportunity banger.
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Ambrose Burnside posted:not just more like a dude, he specifically wanted his love interest to be played by a male actor (so he'd be Gay Kissin It Up On Daytime TV) but that was just not on They kept trying to get gay stuff in. Like when Whoopi was teaching Data's daughter about love she changed the line from 'when a man and a women' to 'when two people' and convinced the people on set to put a gay couple in the background but then someone snitched to the execs and they came running down to set with lawyers to PUT A STOP TO THAT And of course one of the lead writers in season one was gay and tried to have a gay allegory storyline with a gay couple there but the execs blocked that and soon after he was pressured to leave. (Gene was super up for it but then Berman and Gene's crazy Lawyer homophobe'd everywhere and convinced him they couldn't do it or the show would be cancelled) (apparently Berman was a massive homophobe) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Nov 9, 2015 |
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Nov 9, 2015 07:29
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chaosbreather posted:During WWII he rose to Captain in the Air Force, 394th Bomber Squadron. He piloted B17s and killed nazis and on one occasion his own men by accident. The man was many things but he was not a naive ponce. It's more he saw the horrors of war up close and so demanded humanity find peace and enlightenment, forced it down their throats because he could never figure out how we'd have it otherwise. Yeah that's my point. Even after seeing all that he thought humanity could do better. Naive ponce.
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Nov 9, 2015 08:19
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shadow puppet of a posted:True, but the ceremoniality was the problem. It let Worf get all up is own rear end with it and eventually turn into the giant opera-loving redshirt babby that cried to himself aboard the Defiant. I'm saying the relics of Kahless should have been closer to a football hooligan's rusty Stanley knife than a steel chandelier. You kinda seem to think that Worf wasn't meant to be the ultimate representation of a space weeaboo who jealously protects the idealized picture of the Honorable Klingon he has in his head from all reality, while real Klingons just didn't give a gently caress and made Worf look like the massive dork he was. This also set the stage for DS9 to give him some actual character development when he was forced to man the gently caress up and face the facts about his heritage.
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Worf is also apparently the best hand fighter in the galaxy. He constantly fights the toughest, strongest, and best dudes out there, and beats them without breaking a sweat, usually incapacitating them in a fight to the death on top of everything. Whatever anime code of honor he follows looks like it works.
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Nov 9, 2015 16:56
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MikeJF posted:To be fair, they seemed to use the Bat'leth when they were being ceremonial and poo poo and the D'k tahg (the knife with the pop-out bits) or the Mek'leth when they wanted to actually get stuff done Pretty sure the Klingons who tried to board Ops were packing batleths, which was such a terrible decision on the writers' part. I remember that when Worf dueled Duras, Duras was packing something more like a regular sword, which I thought was a nice touch of "yes the Klingons do have regular swords too".
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Nov 9, 2015 17:04
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Naxuz posted:You kinda seem to think that Worf wasn't meant to be the ultimate representation of a space weeaboo who jealously protects the idealized picture of the Honorable Klingon he has in his head from all reality, while real Klingons just didn't give a gently caress and made Worf look like the massive dork he was. This also set the stage for DS9 to give him some actual character development when he was forced to man the gently caress up and face the facts about his heritage. But the payoff of 7 TNG & 2 DS9 seasons of Weaborf wasn't worth the toll it took in getting there. I remain steadfast that cutting the faux-Wushu bits out of the entire Klingon cultural ethos would have resulted in a better character for longer. Or keep it all the same and have Philosopher/Blademaster Worf be a guest-star in a two parter and not get along with the real Enterprise's chief of security, Skorf, a feckless Nausicaan who likes playing chest-darts and drinking fig juice in 10 forward.
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Naxuz posted:You kinda seem to think that Worf wasn't meant to be the ultimate representation of a space weeaboo who jealously protects the idealized picture of the Honorable Klingon he has in his head from all reality, while real Klingons just didn't give a gently caress and made Worf look like the massive dork he was. This also set the stage for DS9 to give him some actual character development when he was forced to man the gently caress up and face the facts about his heritage. weeaboo doesn't really apply because worf is actually a klingon and it's not like he was cherry-picking what he wanted to believe when he was young because in early TNG they say more than once "yeah we're still pretty ignorant of how their culture and society works, lol" so it's not Worf's fault that the only material he could find while growing up in Minsk is old imperial propaganda about how Klingons are actually the most honorable and cultured space empire
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Nov 9, 2015 17:07
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muscles like this? posted:It was originally supposed to be a leprechaun but Colm Meaney said that if they did that he would loving quit. Ha ha hah makes that one a lot more amusing to me. Just got up to "Duet", finally a really solid episode dang
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Nov 9, 2015 17:24
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Monkey Fracas posted:Ha ha hah makes that one a lot more amusing to me. Nice, you made it through the early sludge and are on your way to Garak country.
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MikeJF posted:And of course one of the lead writers in season one was gay and tried to have a gay allegory storyline with a gay couple there but the execs blocked that and soon after he was pressured to leave. (Gene was super up for it but then Berman and Gene's crazy Lawyer homophobe'd everywhere and convinced him they couldn't do it or the show would be cancelled) (apparently Berman was a massive homophobe) Found more details, with a lengthy comment by the author: quote:"Blood and Fire" was a controversial episode written by David Gerrold. It allegedly involved gay characters and an allegory to AIDS. The rejection of this episode partly led to Gerrold leaving TNG. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Undeveloped_Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation_episodes#Blood_and_Fire
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Per a Trek novel I read when I was a teenager, medieval Klingons used regular swords, and back then the Bat'leth was just a symbolic ceremonial thing. So modern Klingons, like most hypernationalists, are just dumb idiots who are super proud of a past they don't actually know anything about.
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Nov 9, 2015 18:39
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P-Mack posted:So modern Klingons, like most hypernationalists, are just dumb idiots who are super proud of a past they don't actually know anything about. You haven't read Shakespeare until you've read it in the original Klingon.
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Klingons are just the worst kind of hipsters, imo
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Weighs 2-3 times as much as the largest two handed sword, and gives you about as much extra reach as a dagger? Seems practical to me.
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Germstore posted:Weighs 2-3 times as much as the largest two handed sword, and gives you about as much extra reach as a dagger? Seems practical to me. Still worth it for the 'lay it across your forearm and push out your other hand in some tai-chi'-type move.
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P-Mack posted:Per a Trek novel I read when I was a teenager, medieval Klingons used regular swords, and back then the Bat'leth was just a symbolic ceremonial thing. So modern Klingons, like most hypernationalists, are just dumb idiots who are super proud of a past they don't actually know anything about. I always assumed the original Batleth were from some prehistoric animal. The antlers of a Klingon elk or something. The spiky slashy antlers were valued by primitive Klingons because they were hard to get, you have to be a great hunter to take down a batleth elk. Those practical primitive people could probably make a bunch of decent horn knives and spear points out of a single rack. Then Klingons loving murdered every last one of them, as klingons do. As batleth elk approached extinction young klingon hunters had to work even harder to bag one and prove themselves, so preserving the antlers intact became a tradition. Eventually the elk themselves were extinct and forgotten, but replica antler racks endure.
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Now that I have thought it through, the batleth does seem well-designed for digging out a stubborn poo
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Nov 9, 2015 19:13
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I must apologize for the Bat'Leth. We have purposely designed it wrong- as a joke.
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muscles like this? posted:It was originally supposed to be a leprechaun but Colm Meaney said that if they did that he would loving quit. Fast-Forward to 1999 and "The Magical Legend of the Leprechauns" (guy has to eat, I guess). 
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I don't think I'll ever get sick of Quark and Odo sorta grudgingly tolerating eachother
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Monkey Fracas posted:I don't think I'll ever get sick of Quark and Odo sorta grudgingly tolerating eachother It's telling that the cliched "oh ho ho, the two frenemies get stuck in a dangerous situation and must rely on each other to get out of it" episode with Quark and Odo stuck on a mountain actually managed to be really engaging. Apparently Shimerman and Auberjonois were, in Auberjonois' words, "very dear friends" in real life and it shows through.
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Warf made the front page: http://www.somethingawful.com/news/worf-star-trek/
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Naxuz posted:It's telling that the cliched "oh ho ho, the two frenemies get stuck in a dangerous situation and must rely on each other to get out of it" episode with Quark and Odo stuck on a mountain actually managed to be really engaging. Apparently Shimerman and Auberjonois were, in Auberjonois' words, "very dear friends" in real life and it shows through. That episode was fantastic and justified them turning Odo into a hu-mon for half a season
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Angela Christine posted:Warf made the front page: http://www.somethingawful.com/news/worf-star-trek/ I was actually a bit disappointed that it didn't mention honour for writing letters of support for his pitch for Captain Worf the TV series.
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Premeditated Toast posted:Fast-Forward to 1999 and "The Magical Legend of the Leprechauns" (guy has to eat, I guess). I'm assuming the difference is that one is him choosing to be in a movie about leprechauns and the other is racist producers.
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Nov 9, 2015 21:29
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shadow puppet of a posted:Worf should have carried his knife on duty, but with some token peace bond that he'd break in circumstances where the officers were like "gently caress it, we're out of options, just let Worf loose with his knife and see how many he can take down". The Plinkett review of Nemesis made a great point about this. At the end when Picard beams over to the scimitar on a suicide mission they really should have just strapped a couple of phasers to Worf, handed him a batleth and said "Worf, kill everything you see and shut down the green thing. You're not gonna come back, but you'll save the ship and Earth"
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Worf-as-Worf would decline saying he first needs to pray over an iron bowl of smouldering herbs before going into battle. Kurn-as-Worf would radio in over his communicator saying he got started killing everything aboard the Scimitar 3 minutes ago but appreciates the vote of confidence.
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Mondian posted:The Plinkett review of Nemesis made a great point about this. At the end when Picard beams over to the scimitar on a suicide mission they really should have just strapped a couple of phasers to Worf, handed him a batleth and said "Worf, kill everything you see and shut down the green thing. You're not gonna come back, but you'll save the ship and Earth" He was like the super mutant from Fallout 3. No captain, this is clearly your destiny. It would be dishonourable of me to rob you of it.
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MikeJF posted:The shitter looks quite pleasant I thought this got CoD'd by CBS awhile back? So star trek nerds I require your help. I'm currently knitting a star trek potholder for a secret santa. It looks like this but it's black and gold (each side is the inverse of the other).  Now since potholders come in groups of two, should I make another identical one in black and gold, one in red and black or gold, or should I make one with another insignia on it. The Klingon insignia would be easy enough to adapt in some combination of red/black/gold.  What should I do, dear nerds? [/quote] I would go with doing another emblem but these are awesome and adorable! Keep in mind I would buy and wear a "Dukat Was Right" shirt so
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Tighclops posted:I thought this got CoD'd by CBS awhile back? Do a federation one and a klingon one, why is this even a question?
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Naxuz posted:I'm sure that Worf's ginormous Klingon meatshits were too much for the Federation plumbing to handle and he had to cut them into smaller pieces with his bat'leth before they would flush down. Why do you think he was always guzzling prune juice?
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Ganguro King posted:Why do you think he was always guzzling prune juice? The drink of a (continuously constipated) warrior. Would also explain why he is so irritated, the idealized Klingon diet he follows religiously is mostly made out of weird fleshy things that cause him non-stop irritated bowel syndrome. Real-life Klingons just say 'gently caress that' and make sure to get a lot of fiber on the side.
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