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Oberleutnant posted:That's horrifying and all the moreso because one day not too far in the future this sort of poo poo will be on billboards irl. It'll be like Minority Report and he'll whisper your name
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I'm a proud alumi of the "worst school in Wales" and mars bars were the least of our worries. The guys selling skag round the back were probably the thing I'd be more concerned with. It's very moreish.
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Nov 9, 2015 19:44
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Gove as Tory leader seems to be the best case scenario, but I think even tories now realise how unelectable he is.
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marktheando posted:Gove as Tory leader seems to be the best case scenario, but I think even tories now realise how unelectable he is. Ugh I didn't even realise that was what he meant
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Nov 9, 2015 19:46
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OwlFancier posted:A small amount of chocolate at school is immaterial to the problem of childhood obesity, if anything banning snacks is indicative of a very poor attitude to tackling that problem. What you need instead is to stop kids wanting to eat unhealthily all the time. And you also need to get parents to not think that snack bans at school will compensate for their lack of support at home. So; Kids are getting fatter Easier access to fatty and sugary foods is one of the leading contributors to the problem But Banning access to sugary and fatty foods in schools, where children spend the majority of their time awake, won't help? Also the argument that 'X years ago, I ate pie and mash stuffed inside a deep fried pizza1 so my kids should be able too as well' is mind boggling. 1 patent pending
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Nov 9, 2015 19:47
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baka kaba posted:Ugh I didn't even realise that was what he meant I remember an article from a few years back about how Gove is the future, it was hilarious.
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Nov 9, 2015 19:50
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Total Meatlove posted:So; Kids don't spend most of their time eating in school. And yes, banning access to it isn't helpful unless you provide an alternative. If kids are gravitating towards chocolate and sweets all the time, maybe it's because none of the other food you serve is remotely palatable? The problem is not the availability of poo poo food, the problem, as in wider society, is that non poo poo food is unavailable. lovely food is cheaper and easier to prepare than non-poo poo food, and people aren't given the money or time to get non-poo poo food. Pay people better and give them time to cook and you'll see people eating better. As far as schools go, serve decent school meals which aren't monstrously unhealthy or utterly inedible, and teach kids how to cook for themselves. Wait no "ban sweets" is much less effort let's just do that.
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Nov 9, 2015 19:52
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Total Meatlove posted:So;
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Nov 9, 2015 19:52
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There was a fat kid in my primary school class who brought a whole packet of jammy dodgers for an after lunch snack every day.
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Nov 9, 2015 19:54
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I hope that Michael Gove becomes the new Tory party leader so we can all save up all our pennies and put up billboards that quote Sarah Vine saying he's poo poo in bed.
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Nov 9, 2015 19:56
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marktheando posted:I remember an article from a few years back about how Gove is the future, it was hilarious. He is, we're doomed 
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Nov 9, 2015 19:58
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Ddraig posted:My best story of schools being loving weird places was when one day I got a very worrying phone call from my sister's headteacher. She said that I needed to come down immediately, as she had done something that could warrant exclusion. Was this before or after the news story about the kid who made like £300 a week doing this?
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Nov 9, 2015 20:00
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OwlFancier posted:A small amount of chocolate at school is immaterial to the problem of childhood obesity Clearly it's not, unless you think the chocolate at school has no calories or the like. OwlFancier posted:What you need instead is to stop kids wanting to eat unhealthily all the time. They're children, they make poor long term decisions*. The idea that children somehow nowadays are eating more sugary things because they want to eat them more than before is utter bullshit, as anyone who was or knew a child with a sweet tooth growing up can attest to. Banning certain kinds of unhealthy snacks at schools is a sticking plaster on the stump where someone's head used to be. It is not a long term solution, it is not a short term solution, and the problem of obesity in all age groups is a reflection of our society - it happens because it benefits large corporations who sell the things, it happens because schools have been forced to sell off playing fields, it happens because schools can't provide healthy meals, it happens because work/life balance is terrible so fewer children are able to spend quality time with their parents, it happens because [everything that Thatcher did, essentially]. It won't halt the advance of early onset diabetes, no. It might delay it enough that you get a good number of positive outcomes over the whole population, though. And the "cost" to pay is tiny. *So do adults, but it's ok when they have terrible lives because blurble blurble blurble
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Nov 9, 2015 20:03
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Gonzo McFee posted:I hope that Michael Gove becomes the new Tory party leader so we can all save up all our pennies and put up billboards that quote Sarah Vine saying he's poo poo in bed. Lie on your back, hold your device above your head and slowly jiggle it up and down while gazing into the image below: baka kaba posted:Pretty sexy am I right Yeah baby, yeah
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Nov 9, 2015 20:05
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serious gaylord posted:Was this before or after the news story about the kid who made like £300 a week doing this? It was last year, so I'm not sure. She seems to have cleaned up her act now, anyway.
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Nov 9, 2015 20:14
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MrL_JaKiri posted:They're children, they make poor long term decisions*. The idea that children somehow nowadays are eating more sugary things because they want to eat them more than before is utter bullshit, as anyone who was or knew a child with a sweet tooth growing up can attest to. They may like sweets but when I was young I didn't only want to eat sweets and mcdonalds. I grew up being cooked for and I wanted proper cooked food when I was hungry. I liked sweets but I also wanted to eat lots of meat because I liked that too. If you only feed kids poo poo food then they learn to like it. If you don't give them other good tasting food to desire then of course they're going to desire the lovely unhealthy food because that's their response to being hungry. I didn't mostly want the ice cream when I was at school because the ice cream was especially good, it was because the rest of the food was loving abhorrent. Same way I didn't eat chips when I was at secondary school, because the chips were absolutely disgusting. The growth of the ready meal market and the further requirement of both parents to be working along with the general poo poo state of school meals are probably the major reasons why kids eat worse, not because they can have sweets, but because they can't have anything else.
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Nov 9, 2015 20:16
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You're acting as though these schools are banning sweets and still offering poo poo food.
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Nov 9, 2015 20:20
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OwlFancier posted:They may like sweets but when I was young I didn't only want to eat sweets and mcdonalds. Your experience isn't universal. I have also made the point about the root causes. The thing is though that the availability has also been higher. We didn't have snack machines in school when I was young, but coke et al plonked them everywhere until they were banned under Labour.
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Nov 9, 2015 20:21
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Total Meatlove posted:So; Is there any evidence that access to sugary snacks is easier today than it was say 20 years ago? Cos over that period I've seen ads for junk food disappear, nutritional info become available, artificial ingredients no longer used (including ones that were actually harmful), no more tuck shops in schools, public awareness campaigns, portion size go down, etc, etc. During my childhood you were practically encouraged to eat this poo poo, so I have no idea how obesity is a bigger issue. Is it a bigger issue, or is this a case broader awareness of the issue/better data gathering? EvilGenius fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Nov 9, 2015 |
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Nov 9, 2015 20:24
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Total Meatlove posted:You're acting as though these schools are banning sweets and still offering poo poo food. I doubt they're offering good, palatable meals at an affordable price.
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Nov 9, 2015 20:28
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Guavanaut posted:Do kids have easier access to sugary or fatty foods now? It seems that their school meals are far healthier and they're having to get people to mule in snacks from outside. When I'm on a half day from work and heading home past the school at lunchtime, I always see literally dozens of kids who got their lunch from a fast food chain or the chip/kebab shop. I don't know what's going on in the school canteen, but one way or another kids would rather have a McDogburger than eat it.
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Nov 9, 2015 20:34
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Gee, it's almost as though doing stuff that people say you aren't supposed to is cool and attractive to some people 
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Nov 9, 2015 20:39
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EvilGenius posted:Is there any evidence that access to sugary snacks is easier today than it was say 20 years ago? Cos over that period I've seen ads for junk food disappear, nutritional info become available, artificial ingredients no longer used (including ones that were actually harmful), no more tuck shops in schools, public awareness campaigns, portion size go down, etc, etc. People stopped eating lard because they were told it was literally the devil and switched to things that were higher in trans-fats, and now they're telling people that lard is actually the better choice again. People stopped eating artificially sweetened food and drink because they were told that it would instantly give them autistic supercancer, and now they're telling people that sugar is actually the worst thing.
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Guavanaut posted:People stopped eating artificially sweetened food and drink because they were told that it would instantly give them autistic supercancer, and now they're telling people that sugar is actually the worst thing. http://www.nhs.uk/news/2014/09September/Pages/Do-artificial-sweeteners-raise-diabetes-risk.aspx for more on this topic
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Nov 9, 2015 20:55
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The thing is that sugar has been known to be loving awful for you for a long, long time. Then there was the whole shitstorm of erroneous and inconsistent logic linking certain fats with heart disease which meant that those fats were removed and replaced with sugar because the free market is awesome like that.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:http://www.nhs.uk/news/2014/09September/Pages/Do-artificial-sweeteners-raise-diabetes-risk.aspx for more on this topic
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Nov 9, 2015 21:08
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I bet you could find somebody in Britain or America that drinks that much soda a day.
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EvilGenius posted:Is there any evidence that access to sugary snacks is easier today than it was say 20 years ago? Cos over that period I've seen ads for junk food disappear, nutritional info become available, artificial ingredients no longer used (including ones that were actually harmful), no more tuck shops in schools, public awareness campaigns, portion size go down, etc, etc. Going back 22+ years (Christ), there were a load of vending machines around High School, and a Tuck shop twice a day by the main hall. No idea what they served after the 3rd year as I started taking sandwiches and eating outside from then on. The usual choices before that were something and chips. Always chips, big soggy chips, salad day - chips, with some grated carrot/lettuce and one of those ham slices with an egg in it. West Yorkshire in the early 90's, glorious. And didn't every school have a kid who was all over the entrepeneur part of sweets? A kid out of my year and his older brother had that poo poo sewn up by second year, undercutting the tuckshop by going to the wholesalers. I doubt they were pulling £300 a week, but they were dealing nationally in old school arcade cabinets/pinball tables by the time we were in 5th year.
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It's sadly not a particularly historical investigation but if we're doing food and fat chat again, I recommend everyone read this from HSCIC: http://www.hscic.gov.uk/catalogue/PUB05131/obes-phys-acti-diet-eng-2012-rep.pdf
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I had a quick look at some of the research into this area as a result of this discussion, the quality is shockingly bad.quote:For example, data from the NFS would confirm that calorific intake is in decline (seeChart 6). However these often quoted figures exclude alcohol, confectionery, salty snacks, carbonates and eating outside of the home, making it difficult to assess their implications. Mostly it seems to blame the parents for being poor role models and letting kids have too much choice in what they eat nowadays especially in (poor) families that shop for food on the basis of convenience and cost effectiveness rather than health.
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Nov 9, 2015 21:38
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Oberleutnant posted:I bet you could find somebody in Britain or America that drinks that much soda a day. 100 litres of liquid a day? I highly doubt it.
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Nov 9, 2015 21:40
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Clearly the solution is to fine parents who don't spend enough money on making sure their kids eat healthily.
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Renaissance Robot posted:Clearly the solution is to fine parents who don't spend enough money on making sure their kids eat healthily. Maybe get the DWP to Sanction the ones on benefits.
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Julio Cruz posted:100 litres of liquid a day? I highly doubt it. one of them chubbers who need to have a wall pulled off their house so they can be lifted onto a flatbed by a crane and driven to the zoo to get an xray. I bet they'd manage it.
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Oberleutnant posted:one of them chubbers who need to have a wall pulled off their house so they can be lifted onto a flatbed by a crane and driven to the zoo to get an xray. I bet they'd manage it. However big they are, kidneys just can't process that amount of liquid.
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Don't have to process it, just has to go in one end and out the other, like some kind of sugary fecal fire engine or something.
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Ddraig posted:I'm a proud alumi of the "worst school in Wales" and mars bars were the least of our worries. The guys selling skag round the back were probably the thing I'd be more concerned with. It's very moreish.
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All the good intentions and policies regarding school lunches are not really going to make a difference without getting through to the parents. My kids school has a really good lunches program that uses locally produced stuff where possible, still doesn't stop me seeing 5 year old kids on the school run having a breakfast of coke and a mars bar forced into them before the gates.Goldskull posted:And didn't every school have a kid who was all over the entrepeneur part of sweets? I did it. But rather than sweets it was discs full of the best porn the late 90's internet had to offer, then duty free cigarettes when that ring got busted (snitches deserve stitches)
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Julio Cruz posted:However big they are, kidneys just can't process that amount of liquid. There's just no whimsy or romance to you at all, is there?
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