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Frozen Pizza Party
Dec 13, 2005

Have any of you gone from rough cut veggies/fruits to chop? We did a chop this week for the first time ever and both birds are protesting it hard. Ritz is sitting on his pellet bowl with his foot tucked up slowly munching pellets and Scuttle is throwing everything on the floor and rubbing his beak extremely vigorously.

Anyone else?

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anotherblownsave
Feb 26, 2008

The sponsors will like you better this way, trust me.

SaNChEzZ posted:

Have any of you gone from rough cut veggies/fruits to chop? We did a chop this week for the first time ever and both birds are protesting it hard. Ritz is sitting on his pellet bowl with his foot tucked up slowly munching pellets and Scuttle is throwing everything on the floor and rubbing his beak extremely vigorously.

Anyone else?

Not the same but when I was transitioning daisy from seed to pellets she would bang her beak on the food bowl over and over after I had refilled it.

Very important to view these photos in order
http://imgur.com/RcnM4zA
http://imgur.com/gngDZZo
Sorry for the poor quality

anotherblownsave fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Nov 10, 2015

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

SaNChEzZ posted:

Have any of you gone from rough cut veggies/fruits to chop? We did a chop this week for the first time ever and both birds are protesting it hard. Ritz is sitting on his pellet bowl with his foot tucked up slowly munching pellets and Scuttle is throwing everything on the floor and rubbing his beak extremely vigorously.

Anyone else?

I bought Taco a different brand of pellets once, just to see what would happen, and he just used his beak as a shovel to dump everything out of his bowl and then sit there looking very impressed with himself.

Pot Pie
May 10, 2010

A few weeks ago I lost my 17 year old Siamese cat Lucy to cancer. It was really tough, she was my deceased mother's last surviving pet, and I had lost her sister (my own personal cat) just last year. It's so hard not having my girls chatting to me and wanting to cuddle. My husband heard a kitten mewing in the yard last year and rescued her. I like her well enough but Pete is a daddy's girl for sure. My husband suggested we go to the shelter and pick out a new cat for me but I don't know if Pete will tolerate another cat, and I don't feel like I want to try to replace my Siamese. Then he said, "Well what about a parrot?" Of course I wasn't ready at the time but I am feeling better now and this suggestion stuck with me. When I was a kid we had a hand-fed ladytiel and she was my best buddy.

So I binge read this thread over the last week. At first I was just enjoying and keeping the possibility open but after reading it all I am going to take the plunge. I am home every day, not working at the moment and if I do go back to working out of the house it will only be part-time, so I will have plenty of time for a bird. My husband works nights so I am on my own during the better part of the day due to sleep schedules and him just being gone after 6. The cat has a very strong prey drive but I could keep the door shut at night to keep the cat away for restful bird sleep and of course Pete would be shut away anytime the bird is out of the cage. She is a great mouser and I do not trust her an inch. The office is at the opposite end of the house from our bedroom so noise isn't a problem. And I was thinking of having a second cage in the living room for late afternoon/evening chilltime if the bird didn't feel like actually being out.

My late cat was very derpy so a cockatiel seems like an obvious choice. I need derp in my life. My husband and I were both open to a larger bird (he likes Greys, I like Umbrella Cockatoos, we both like Galahs) but we both had concerns about the bird outliving us, plus concerns about having enough time if we have children. Maybe later in life we can rescue a bird who lost its owner, depends on if we have kids of our own probably. Anyway, that's my story, I just have a couple questions:

I can get ZuPreem here, do I remember someone saying that the cockatiel size was too big? Should I get parakeet size instead? Is the fruit blend okay to use as a base? I know tiels do okay on seeds and fresh produce but if seeds are just a treat I think it might make clicker training easier (if the bird is as millet greedy as my childhood bird was). And I really want to try clicker training.

Second question: I live in SW Michigan, and I am honestly not sure how to find a good breeder. The aviary lists I was looking at for Michigan were 1990's and most of the links were dead or eyeblinding/outdated. I did find one in Indiana that isn't too far but then I realized I don't even know how to evaluate a breeder. Can anyone take a look at these people or help me out with some knowledge? Royal Wings Aviary. I am looking for another hand-fed baby. I am willing to wait to get a bird from a good breeder since this is a pretty large commitment. I would rather not have a bird shipped.

P.S. It was very stressful at times reading this thread when I got a couple hundred pages in and started getting attached to H110Hawk and Staryberry's Mindo, and Battle Pigeon's flock (Steve :kimchi:) and having many of the pictures broken. I was relieved when I saw H110Hawk post something about imgur. There were enough sad posts in the thread that I was really dreading reading bad news. Battle Pigeon's latest are showing for me, maybe my browser is screwed up. I also had a bad scare this afternoon when I got to the posts a couple months ago about Amadeus being ill, and the water. It's so bizarre to read a thread like this in one go.

Sekkira
Apr 11, 2008

I Don't Get It,
I Don't Get It,

Boop threw a tantrum for a few days when I changed her pellets from the giant brown ones that would have shrapnel everywhere to the much smaller colored ones she could mostly eat without shrapnel. I did a straight swap over and gave her the option of eat or starve. I did make sure she knew they were food first, by hand feeding the individual pellets to show I wasn't trying to poison her. It didn't help the tantrum, but she didn't starve with a full bowl. Now she can't get enough of them.

Pip pip pip
Oct 24, 2010

The cutest little fascist

Pot Pie posted:

I can get ZuPreem here, do I remember someone saying that the cockatiel size was too big? Should I get parakeet size instead? Is the fruit blend okay to use as a base? I know tiels do okay on seeds and fresh produce but if seeds are just a treat I think it might make clicker training easier (if the bird is as millet greedy as my childhood bird was). And I really want to try clicker training.

I feed my cockatiel and GCC the budgie sized ZuPreem pellets because the 'tiel enjoyed just exploding the cockatiel sized ones and making a huge mess too much :derptiel: Hopefully the other goons can help with MI breeders!

Sorry to hear about your kitties :(

Tadhg Dall
Dec 5, 2008

SaNChEzZ posted:

Have any of you gone from rough cut veggies/fruits to chop? We did a chop this week for the first time ever and both birds are protesting it hard. Ritz is sitting on his pellet bowl with his foot tucked up slowly munching pellets and Scuttle is throwing everything on the floor and rubbing his beak extremely vigorously.

Anyone else?

I have had the opposite experience, SOME PEOPLE think cut up veggies are for throwing but will eat chop without protest. Maybe you could try mixing some larger veggies in with the chop? I usually keep stuff like peas and sweet potato chunks whole because Oliver will actually eat them that way.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Chirpy just came home from two nights at the animal hospital for metal poisoning. I don't know for sure what it was. Of course, we've been distraught trying to figure out what we did wrong. We had always trusted the toys we bought from the local Petsmart and the locally owned store, and he doesn't get any unsupervised time out of his cage to nibble on random junk lying around. We already threw out all his toys, so I can't go back and examine them for wear, but if I had to bet on it being any particular thing, I'd say it was one of his toys with little bells, or a disco ball toy he had. From now on we won't allow any metal in his cage unless we're sure it's stainless steel. There's no wear to the powdercoat on his cage.

We woke up on Saturday to find him wheezing and covered in vomit, and we had to call four different places before we found some place that would see him. Even then, their avian specialist was totally booked and had to see him in-between appointments and keep him overnight. It was a 45-minute drive over the mountain in heavy rain and fog to drop him off, and coincidentally, it was even worse rain and fog when I picked him up tonight.

The plan is that we'll be giving him calcium to treat the metal particles lodged in his gizzard, and syringe-feeding him to supplement his eating for as long as he's not eating as much solid food as he should be on his own. Strangely, as soon as I brought him home he started eating pellets, drinking water, and passed several stools throughout the evening that looked more and more normal as the hours went by. He's still vacillating between bursts of activity and listlessness, and is snuggling and preening a lot more than usual.

I believe Chirpy's cage is safe as long as we replace his toys, but I can see that Ozy's cage has several places where the powdercoat is chewed through, so we're going to replace her cage. (The vet recommended that we have bloodwork done on her at some point to check for any possible accumulation of metal or other crap in her system.) I want to make sure I get a good safe one; can anybody recommend particular vendors/manufacturers? We're considering this one.

1500
Nov 3, 2015

Give me all your crackers

Pot Pie posted:

A few weeks ago I lost my 17 year old Siamese cat Lucy to cancer. It was really tough, she was my deceased mother's last surviving pet, and I had lost her sister (my own personal cat) just last year. It's so hard not having my girls chatting to me and wanting to cuddle. My husband heard a kitten mewing in the yard last year and rescued her. I like her well enough but Pete is a daddy's girl for sure. My husband suggested we go to the shelter and pick out a new cat for me but I don't know if Pete will tolerate another cat, and I don't feel like I want to try to replace my Siamese. Then he said, "Well what about a parrot?" Of course I wasn't ready at the time but I am feeling better now and this suggestion stuck with me. When I was a kid we had a hand-fed ladytiel and she was my best buddy.

So I binge read this thread over the last week. At first I was just enjoying and keeping the possibility open but after reading it all I am going to take the plunge. I am home every day, not working at the moment and if I do go back to working out of the house it will only be part-time, so I will have plenty of time for a bird. My husband works nights so I am on my own during the better part of the day due to sleep schedules and him just being gone after 6. The cat has a very strong prey drive but I could keep the door shut at night to keep the cat away for restful bird sleep and of course Pete would be shut away anytime the bird is out of the cage. She is a great mouser and I do not trust her an inch. The office is at the opposite end of the house from our bedroom so noise isn't a problem. And I was thinking of having a second cage in the living room for late afternoon/evening chilltime if the bird didn't feel like actually being out.

My late cat was very derpy so a cockatiel seems like an obvious choice. I need derp in my life. My husband and I were both open to a larger bird (he likes Greys, I like Umbrella Cockatoos, we both like Galahs) but we both had concerns about the bird outliving us, plus concerns about having enough time if we have children. Maybe later in life we can rescue a bird who lost its owner, depends on if we have kids of our own probably. Anyway, that's my story, I just have a couple questions:

I can get ZuPreem here, do I remember someone saying that the cockatiel size was too big? Should I get parakeet size instead? Is the fruit blend okay to use as a base? I know tiels do okay on seeds and fresh produce but if seeds are just a treat I think it might make clicker training easier (if the bird is as millet greedy as my childhood bird was). And I really want to try clicker training.

Second question: I live in SW Michigan, and I am honestly not sure how to find a good breeder. The aviary lists I was looking at for Michigan were 1990's and most of the links were dead or eyeblinding/outdated. I did find one in Indiana that isn't too far but then I realized I don't even know how to evaluate a breeder. Can anyone take a look at these people or help me out with some knowledge? Royal Wings Aviary. I am looking for another hand-fed baby. I am willing to wait to get a bird from a good breeder since this is a pretty large commitment. I would rather not have a bird shipped.

P.S. It was very stressful at times reading this thread when I got a couple hundred pages in and started getting attached to H110Hawk and Staryberry's Mindo, and Battle Pigeon's flock (Steve :kimchi:) and having many of the pictures broken. I was relieved when I saw H110Hawk post something about imgur. There were enough sad posts in the thread that I was really dreading reading bad news. Battle Pigeon's latest are showing for me, maybe my browser is screwed up. I also had a bad scare this afternoon when I got to the posts a couple months ago about Amadeus being ill, and the water. It's so bizarre to read a thread like this in one go.

So it sounds like you don't have much experience owning birds, if that is the case I would not get anything bigger then a cockatiel (15 – 20 life span), and ideally I would suggest a budgie (5 – 8 life span). I highly recommend you don't get a parrot and defiantly not a large one (Not saying you can't make it work or its the most horrible thing in the world, but it typically does not end well for the parrot).

Please don't take the next bit personally, its my common response to someone thinking of getting a large parrot (even if you guys have already dismissed it). The larger parrots (Grey's, Cockatoos, Macaws) are a life time commitment (50+ year life spans), and should be seriously thought of as taking in a toddler for the rest of your life. Large parrots have the mental capacity of a 3 year old, you should expect to spend 4 hours a day with them (in the same room with them out of the cage, with interaction from you). They are also very expensive ($900-2200 depending on species and your location), they need much larger cages, fresh fruit and vegetables every day, and a constant stream of toys, their vet bills are also much more expensive, and yes they can and will destroy your furniture and walls if they are bored. With out constant attention from you, they will become aggressive, making them very dangerous to be around. If it sounds like I am trying to scare you away from a large parrot, well its because I am. The typical large parrot will have 12 different owners in its life time. It is not something to be taken lightly. Sorry for the mini rant, abandoned large parrots are a real problem.

The best way to get in touch with a good breeder is to talk to an Avian vet in your area, if they are any good the Avian vet will be able to give you a list of reputable breeders in your area (assuming there are any), so give the vet a call. The other thing is to look for a local bird pet shop (not a chain), they will typically have well handled and healthy birds, and a good working relationship with the local breeders.

ZuPreem is a fine brand, Pan (my Quacker) loves that stuff (eats the fruit variety), but I have had zero luck getting my cockatiel (Hermes) on it (he is 20 years old and set in his ways). You can also always order pellet foods, they have a long self life, and you can save by buying in bulk.

1500 fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Nov 10, 2015

1500
Nov 3, 2015

Give me all your crackers

Halloween Jack posted:

Chirpy just came home from two nights at the animal hospital for metal poisoning. I don't know for sure what it was. Of course, we've been distraught trying to figure out what we did wrong. We had always trusted the toys we bought from the local Petsmart and the locally owned store, and he doesn't get any unsupervised time out of his cage to nibble on random junk lying around. We already threw out all his toys, so I can't go back and examine them for wear, but if I had to bet on it being any particular thing, I'd say it was one of his toys with little bells, or a disco ball toy he had. From now on we won't allow any metal in his cage unless we're sure it's stainless steel. There's no wear to the powdercoat on his cage.

We woke up on Saturday to find him wheezing and covered in vomit, and we had to call four different places before we found some place that would see him. Even then, their avian specialist was totally booked and had to see him in-between appointments and keep him overnight. It was a 45-minute drive over the mountain in heavy rain and fog to drop him off, and coincidentally, it was even worse rain and fog when I picked him up tonight.

The plan is that we'll be giving him calcium to treat the metal particles lodged in his gizzard, and syringe-feeding him to supplement his eating for as long as he's not eating as much solid food as he should be on his own. Strangely, as soon as I brought him home he started eating pellets, drinking water, and passed several stools throughout the evening that looked more and more normal as the hours went by. He's still vacillating between bursts of activity and listlessness, and is snuggling and preening a lot more than usual.

I believe Chirpy's cage is safe as long as we replace his toys, but I can see that Ozy's cage has several places where the powdercoat is chewed through, so we're going to replace her cage. (The vet recommended that we have bloodwork done on her at some point to check for any possible accumulation of metal or other crap in her system.) I want to make sure I get a good safe one; can anybody recommend particular vendors/manufacturers? We're considering this one.

So sorry to hear that, but at least Chirpy seems to be recovering. Some information on metals that are safe, http://www.birdtricks.com/blog/safe-metals-for-parrots/. The really bad one that you find everywhere is Zinc coated stuff (galvanized), Zinc is very toxic to birds.

Avian adventures are good, King's cages are good.

1500 fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Nov 10, 2015

Pot Pie
May 10, 2010

Yeah I don't think we would ever get a baby large parrot, that's for sure. We know it's a lifetime commitment. And you're right another factor is I would need more experience owning birds first. Something to think about a decade or two from now, if ever.

I didn't think of asking an avian vet about breeders. There are two nearby, I'll give them a call. Thanks for the tip!

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



1500 posted:

So sorry to hear that, but at least Chirpy seems to be recovering. Some information on metals that are safe, http://www.birdtricks.com/blog/safe-metals-for-parrots/. The really bad one that you find everywhere is Zinc coated stuff (galvanized), Zinc is very toxic to birds.

Avian adventures are good, King's cages are good.

Okay I did not know that. I'll have to seek out steel/non-galvanized nuts and plates for some of the toys attached to Pion's cage.

painted bird
Oct 18, 2013

by Lowtax
Oh no, poor Chirpy. :( I'm glad he's recovering, at least.

I can recommend Montana cages as a good manufacturer. Eris lives in a Brazil model cage and it's sturdy and well-made. They're pricey, but well, parrots are expensive to keep in general.

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
Shop foraging toys are small and imo not great unless you fill them with big stuff like apple chunks every day, what do you guys have? For a quaker, hes a bit bigger than a gcc.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I cannot stress enough that, although it's no guarantee of having a relationship with your bird like you see people here have, you have a much higher chance if you get hand reared, and you must make sure you see whoever is selling the bird actually handle it themselves to be sure. You sound set on a potato and I don't blame you but don't overlook parrotlets or love birds either, tiny birds huge personalities.,

Suntan Boy
May 27, 2005
Stained, dirty, smells like weed, possibly a relic from the sixties.



Eejit posted:

Ahhhh what an amazingly gorgeous girl! I am in love :swoon:

Yeah, she's my store girlfriend, absolute velcro as soon as I walk in and all huffy if I put her down.

Sekkira posted:

Yeah, that's just a beak over the finger and a firm but gentle squeeze.

Dreggon posted:

on the tendon

For real, I'm glad they're inclined toward sweet and curious, because that beak is scary sharp.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

A Saucy Bratwurst posted:

Shop foraging toys are small and imo not great unless you fill them with big stuff like apple chunks every day, what do you guys have? For a quaker, hes a bit bigger than a gcc.

Yay, my fancy parakeet type birds are relevant to a conversation :D Toys made out of dried banana leaves and dried olive leaves are parakeet crack. My RRs love shredding stuff, not overly fond of bark but they don't mind soft wood. They had a wicker ball once and loved it, actually thinking about it, all the toys they have most loved have been round and shreddable. I've not seem them that interested in the preening cloth toys though. Music and things to swing on is where it's at with mind, especially if the swing is flat. Give my two a flat swing and some music and they tend to forget all other things exist.

1500
Nov 3, 2015

Give me all your crackers

learnincurve posted:

I cannot stress enough that, although it's no guarantee of having a relationship with your bird like you see people here have, you have a much higher chance if you get hand reared, and you must make sure you see whoever is selling the bird actually handle it themselves to be sure. You sound set on a potato and I don't blame you but don't overlook parrotlets or love birds either, tiny birds huge personalities.,

I will vouch for Love Birds, I grew having one, he was amazing.

CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

CAW CAW CAW

Dinosaur Gum

1500 posted:

I will vouch for Love Birds, I grew having one, he was amazing.

Lovebirds are great, especially if they are called Toast :kimchi: They are like terriers and other small dogs in that they think they are much bigger than they are and will pick on bigger birds! They are very cheeky and, while they're not the brightest of parrots, are great fun. In my experience the girls are more bitey, while the boys express territorial instincts by squeaking at enemy birds.

Speaking of which, Toast is very much enjoying her new home-made shredding box. (About 1/4 of a cereal box, filled with the rest of the cereal box, more cereal boxes, paper cranes, napkins, tissues, and miscellaneous other bits of paper and cardboard.) She's currently helping shred a bunch of my expired scripts, which she is especially enjoying because they are mostly on yellow and orange paper (ie the MURDER COLOURS). My desk is currently covered in confetti.

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

Battle Pigeon
Nov 7, 2011

I am dancing potato
give me millet


Halloween Jack posted:

Chirpy just came home from two nights at the animal hospital for metal poisoning. I don't know for sure what it was. Of course, we've been distraught trying to figure out what we did wrong. We had always trusted the toys we bought from the local Petsmart and the locally owned store, and he doesn't get any unsupervised time out of his cage to nibble on random junk lying around. We already threw out all his toys, so I can't go back and examine them for wear, but if I had to bet on it being any particular thing, I'd say it was one of his toys with little bells, or a disco ball toy he had. From now on we won't allow any metal in his cage unless we're sure it's stainless steel. There's no wear to the powdercoat on his cage.

Sorry to hear about Chirpy, glad he's doing okay and hope he continues to improve. It makes me think of how not too long ago I bought a bird toy from Amazon, hanging acrylic with a bell and little bit of rope, and when it arrived it turned out the bell was painted and the paint was flaking off. Not sure how that could have been seen as appropriate for a bird toy

nielsm posted:

Okay I did not know that. I'll have to seek out steel/non-galvanized nuts and plates for some of the toys attached to Pion's cage.

How can you tell which are safe and which are galvanised/unsafe?

Pot Pie posted:

P.S. It was very stressful at times reading this thread when I got a couple hundred pages in and started getting attached to H110Hawk and Staryberry's Mindo, and Battle Pigeon's flock (Steve :kimchi:) and having many of the pictures broken. I was relieved when I saw H110Hawk post something about imgur. There were enough sad posts in the thread that I was really dreading reading bad news. Battle Pigeon's latest are showing for me, maybe my browser is screwed up.

So many people seem to love Steve!

Sorry about the photos being gone-at first I used tinypic, then finally got an Imgur account, but it only allows you to have so many photos uploaded for free while still being accessible (for managing and deleting etc). It was too much hassle to keep making accounts and I don't have pro so I delete the oldest photos every now and then to make room for more.

Imgur also just sucks sometimes and doesn't load the photos, though it seems to be related to the browser as they show on my ipad when that happens

painted bird posted:

That'd be helpful :3:

Sorry, I totally forgot ughh

So far it sounds like Eris is just wary and distrustful with no inherent biases towards hands or anything, which is better than unafraid of humans yet not handleable and violent, naming no names. Also, she definitely had the experience of growing up with other birds, so she knows bite inhibition. A good start! So it's going to be a process of her letting you near her, taking treats from you, you gently touching her/you bribing her to step up on you.

To get it out the way-there is the option of clipping her now and letting her feathers grow back in permanently next time. It's up to you, and how you think she'd react to it. If she's a frightened bird she might panic without being able to fly away, if she's aggressive it may chill her out a bit, it might just inconvenience her a bit and the budgies will have to come to her. If you think her being flighted isn't an issue, great, if you think it would be easier to have her clipped for the duration, it's not really a big deal-though she'll get fatter, and you'll have to be careful about giving her ways out of uncomfortable situations so she doesn't just bite you where she would have flown away before.

First-getting her used to you, how you move and sound, and just hanging out together. From what you've wrote it seems to be going pretty well here, especially with the budgies! They'll all be good influences on each other.

Go up to her when she's in her cage, say hello, talk a bit, sit nearby. Eat near her, in full view, especially if it's something she likes. Every now and then slowly offer a treat through the bars, hold it there for a bit while talking quietly to her, back off after a while. Use words you want her to learn ("Want" + (treat name)), she'll pick the meaning up soon enough. Keep your hand lower than her head height, just to not be approaching her from above which is SCARY. Eventually she'll grow brave enough to reach and take the treats. When she's really confident about it you could try touching her beak gently when she reaches for the treat, and be really loving enthusiastic about it afterwards

Outside of the cage is much the same-once she seems chill around you, slowly offer her treats, back off if she gets flat and scared, don't push too hard. Put millet for them near you, on a tray on the floor which you're sat by or whatever, just to get them to associate you with delicious foooooood. Try putting it on your lap if you're all feeling brave after a while.

Once she takes food from you, you can start holding it away from her so she has to come to you a bit to get it. Like stepping up on to your arm, or hand. Prepare to get bitten some-make the EEEE offended sound, turn your hand a bit to break any grip and push her away gently-push back if able, so that bites don't make you back off-tell her NO BITE and turn away taking treats with you. Bite = no treat and no attention. If she's clipped, you could put her down on the floor at this point, they HATE that. Obviously in an ideal world you'll read the signs and avoid pushing her to that point, but realistically you'll likely make a mistake at least once, she'll try the "bite him to make him drop the treat" trick, etc.

You might find it easier to stick train her first, which is the same thing just bribing her up on to a perch.

You can try touching her either when she's comfortable taking food from you, or when she steps up. Just keep your hands near and around her when able, and after a while when giving a treat try touching her beak while it's occupied, or her foot, or wing. The wings/back/stomach are sexual areas in adults, but just a gentle touch now and then won't affect her that way. Once you've touched her-just a gentle tap or stroke-stop and retreat, praise instantly, be super happy, the usual. She'll be all wtf at first probably and might back up or flee but as soon as you've made contact praise her anyway. Keep millet/treats at hand, don't expect this part to go quickly or to push her fast. She might end up loving to sit on your hand or knee but hating to be touched for a long time, or the other way around, or it might click straight away. Just don't expect too much too soon.

Always react with enthusiasm and bribery for the slightest improvement, as if her reaching and touching the millet before backing off was the absolute best thing in the entire loving world and holy poo poo that was amazing wow you're the best bird ever!!!! Don't get loud or anything, just be really happy sounding and be generous with the GOOD GIRL WOW WHAT AN EXCELLENT SPECIMEN OF A BIRD YOU ARE. Equally if she seems too nervous, just quietly tell her it's okay, we coo' and retreat slowly. You'll have to learn yourself the difference between pushing her boundaries a bit, and pushing her too far.

Not sure what else to write out so hope it was slightly helpful!

Tendai
Mar 16, 2007

"When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber."

Grimey Drawer

Battle Pigeon posted:

So many people seem to love Steve!
It's impossible and probably illegal not to love cockatiels :3:

Except Judah, who is convinced that TODAY IS THE DAY he gets up at seven in the morning.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Battle Pigeon posted:

How can you tell which are safe and which are galvanised/unsafe?
My vet just told me that if you get bolts, screws, etc. from a hardware store, you will usually see stainless steel, galvanized steel, chromium steel, etc. sitting side by side and labeled as such. I'm going to replace Ozy's cage anyway, but for the time being I'm at least going to go ahead and replace the chain that her cage hangs from with a stainless steel one.

1500 posted:

So sorry to hear that, but at least Chirpy seems to be recovering. Some information on metals that are safe, http://www.birdtricks.com/blog/safe-metals-for-parrots/. The really bad one that you find everywhere is Zinc coated stuff (galvanized), Zinc is very toxic to birds.

Avian adventures are good, King's cages are good.
I've already ruled out buying a cage from one of the big retailers (Petco, Petsmart) because their websites don't even attest that any particular cage is bird-safe. And then there are all the vendors that will tell you their cages are bird-safe but don't specifically say that the powdercoat is nontoxic, the steel isn't galvanized, etc.

Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Nov 10, 2015

Battle Pigeon
Nov 7, 2011

I am dancing potato
give me millet


Steve would sleep forever if he could, he never wakes up early. Just sits on his perch, covered up, seething in the darkness

Inko is an early bird/lark who kisses for bed and has a very set idea of when it's time to get up and will start yelling if you don't comply, Ohtori is a night owl who would never go if he could get away with it (and is much more lenient about lie ins), and Steve... is Steve.

Morning photos to balance giant text post





nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



Battle Pigeon posted:

How can you tell which are safe and which are galvanised/unsafe?

Says so on the box... Galvanized or Stainless.

Battle Pigeon
Nov 7, 2011

I am dancing potato
give me millet


The bowls and attachments I've bought have never come in a box so far, they're always just loose on the shelf in the store, on in a simple plastic bag if shipped or included with cage.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I just heard A Fact. Our human fingernails are the same substance as a bird's beak.

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

learnincurve posted:

I just heard A Fact. Our human fingernails are the same substance as a bird's beak.

And rhino/elephant horns/tusks. And scales on some snakes and fish I think.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Frogmanv2 posted:

And rhino/elephant horns/tusks. And scales on some snakes and fish I think.

Yep. It's called keratin.

Suntan Boy
May 27, 2005
Stained, dirty, smells like weed, possibly a relic from the sixties.



Frogmanv2 posted:

And rhino/elephant horns/tusks. And scales on some snakes and fish I think.

And whale baleen plates, porcupine quills, and human hair!

1500
Nov 3, 2015

Give me all your crackers

CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:

Lovebirds are great, especially if they are called Toast :kimchi: They are like terriers and other small dogs in that they think they are much bigger than they are and will pick on bigger birds! They are very cheeky and, while they're not the brightest of parrots, are great fun. In my experience the girls are more bitey, while the boys express territorial instincts by squeaking at enemy birds.

Speaking of which, Toast is very much enjoying her new home-made shredding box. (About 1/4 of a cereal box, filled with the rest of the cereal box, more cereal boxes, paper cranes, napkins, tissues, and miscellaneous other bits of paper and cardboard.) She's currently helping shred a bunch of my expired scripts, which she is especially enjoying because they are mostly on yellow and orange paper (ie the MURDER COLOURS). My desk is currently covered in confetti.

They really do, mine used to try and push around our Grey.


As we were speaking of heavy metals, most paint still contain lead (now just in very small quantities), that includes paints used on cardboard boxes. I have read, single source so I don't know if it is really true, that glossy painted boxes contain more lead in the paint. But lots of sites say to use cereal boxes for forging toys, so who knows.

I make the same toy as your cereal box, but I use the egg cartons (non Styrofoam).

1500 fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Nov 10, 2015

1500
Nov 3, 2015

Give me all your crackers

Battle Pigeon posted:

The bowls and attachments I've bought have never come in a box so far, they're always just loose on the shelf in the store, on in a simple plastic bag if shipped or included with cage.

Galvanized, typically has a dull flat mat finish (think chain link fence), while SS typically has a shinny polished look. I find it hard to tell the difference between nickel plated and galvanized (nickel should still be shinier).

1500
Nov 3, 2015

Give me all your crackers

i poop fire posted:

I went to my bird shop to visit their conures today and almost left with this handsome fellow.



I think parrot guy may be the male version of a cat lady and I'm ok with that being my future.

He is a cutie. I have heard that Severe Macaws are one of the more difficult of the macaws to own. That they can over bond very easily and become single person birds very quickly (attacking anyone else), but boy are they cute.

So perhaps I am just slow, but I had always thought that Mini Macaws were bred to be smaller Macaws. It turns out that "mini macaw" means any Species of macaw that is under ~18 inch.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Pot Pie posted:

I was relieved when I saw H110Hawk post something about imgur. There were enough sad posts in the thread that I was really dreading reading bad news.



Bottlecap - his favorite toy! :3:

Shark Sandwich
Sep 6, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Severe Macaws look like mega-GCCs, which I guess makes sense because they're pretty closely related. Actually it seems like most small parrots have pretty close bigger relatives: cockatiels and cockatoos, poicephalus and greys, parrotlets and amazons, conures and macaws.

Tendai
Mar 16, 2007

"When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber."

Grimey Drawer

Battle Pigeon posted:

Steve would sleep forever if he could, he never wakes up early. Just sits on his perch, covered up, seething in the darkness
I wish that was Judah :mad: He goes to BED happily, but in the morning... no Judah you are not getting up at 6:30. No one in this house is getting up at 6:30.

I can make it till 8am and then he starts running through his repertoire of incredibly irritating noises, interspersed with beating the poo poo out of a bell toy that he has an Ohtori-and-Steve-level-of-complexity relationship with.

I love grabbing Judah's beak :3: When he even makes me, half the time he just sort of shoves his head in there and sits. Doesn't necessarily want scratches, just wants me to, uh, hold his head.

And the pinfeathers on that last picture are driving me nuts, I want to just preen them for him.

Battle Pigeon
Nov 7, 2011

I am dancing potato
give me millet


Tendai posted:

I love grabbing Judah's beak :3: When he even makes me, half the time he just sort of shoves his head in there and sits. Doesn't necessarily want scratches, just wants me to, uh, hold his head.

And the pinfeathers on that last picture are driving me nuts, I want to just preen them for him.

Steve likes shoving his head into my palm and having everything rubbed at once, but the very best is the bit under the beak on the throat.

And you're telling me :mad: He won't let me stay in one spot long enough on his face before he gets aggressive about it, so can't preen him there.

1500 posted:

Galvanized, typically has a dull flat mat finish (think chain link fence), while SS typically has a shinny polished look. I find it hard to tell the difference between nickel plated and galvanized (nickel should still be shinier).

Yeah, there are a few that don't appear to be stainless steel:

http://i.imgur.com/flpzzbj.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/9vfQxz9.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/ZV9hiPU.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/6oMvSuY.jpg?1

Frozen Pizza Party
Dec 13, 2005

Frogmanv2 posted:

And rhino/elephant horns/tusks. And scales on some snakes and fish I think.

I thought Rhino horns were hair... which I guess is keratin at the end of the day, right?

Battle Pigeon posted:


Yeah, there are a few that don't appear to be stainless steel

Shiny can also mean zinc plated, which is bad as well.

Tendai
Mar 16, 2007

"When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber."

Grimey Drawer

Battle Pigeon posted:

And you're telling me :mad: He won't let me stay in one spot long enough on his face before he gets aggressive about it, so can't preen him there.
That's what Judah's like with his face too so they always stick around longer there, since I can't preen them off like with his crest.

On the plus side, that is such a satisfying feeling.

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painted bird
Oct 18, 2013

by Lowtax

Slaughterhouse-Ive posted:

Severe Macaws look like mega-GCCs, which I guess makes sense because they're pretty closely related. Actually it seems like most small parrots have pretty close bigger relatives: cockatiels and cockatoos, poicephalus and greys, parrotlets and amazons, conures and macaws.

Budgies and kakapo. :v:

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