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My beef with poo poo time travel storytelling of the "If you wanna manipulate the forces of the cosmos to your own ends, you're gonna have a bad time" variety is that every single loving series that involves time travel these days does that poo poo. No you can't just work time like that, it's ACTUALLY not flexible at all and no matter what you do, the results will still be the same despite you. They never explain Max's powers. That's good. But they also do the "in the end, it doesn't even matter" poo poo. That's bad. Like I fully expect the future adventures of Max and Chloe to just be a comedy of Chloe dying from falling pianos, tripping down open manholes, slipping on banana peels, and trains going off the rails and plowing through the middle of town to run her over.
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The actual right ending here is to make it so the loving Tornado is actually a time cop and it came just to tell Max "Don't do it again" and leave.
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Nov 10, 2015 16:59
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Baal posted:The actual right ending here is to make it so the loving Tornado is actually a time cop and it came just to tell Max "Don't do it again" and leave. Like if she HADN'T done that poo poo in the final episode I wouldn't have really been bothered by it. But that she actually knew the trick to get people to know what was going on by telling everything that would happen before the flashback ended, and never used it prior to that moment to, say, save Chloe's dad and possibly keep chloe from getting in that car accident later, is kinda terrible. And of course she kept destroying photos she could have possibly used if things went completely tits-up with her other ideas, which was super dumb and shortsighted. I liked the first four parts overall, but the final episode was a sad trombone of a finale. edit: except those texts. Those texts and some other parts of the dream sequence were real great. Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Nov 10, 2015 |
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I was weaving in and out, for the most part. The consistent quality of episodes was alright, but whenever I felt like the story was moving at a boring rate then an episode like 2 or 4 would pull me back in and hook me, especially Episode 4 which is insanely strong. Then Episode 5 is literally the opposite of what I wanted. It doesn't help they put the burden of the climax on the relationship of Max and Chloe when Max as a character is wildly inconsistent from episode to episode whether it be her character or how much her place in Arcadia Bay matters at all. Episode 5 kind of shits all over that by just coming down to "Chloe Chloe Chloe." Because Chloe as a character is just not a good character and her relationship with Max can come off as toxic in some episodes like a lot of Episode 3. Then there's the nightmare sequence which felt to me like it was trying to crib off of the Arkham games, I can't tell you why it's specifically those games because I know other games do stuff like this too, but it really felt kind of like that. It was also pointless and terrible. Those texts were amazing tho, yeah.
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Nov 10, 2015 17:23
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It seems like the time powers were really just supposed to be a gameplay contrivance so you could be aware of the choices the game is presenting and roll them back if you wanted something else, and the meat of the story was the teen drama serial killer stuff because that had a satisfying twist and conclusion but a lot of the time power supernatural stuff was an afterthought except for specific neat puzzles. Also god drat it Liam not everything needs to be played back by going Devil's Advocate on it this KOF discussion is loving terrible. You don't give enough of a poo poo about KOF to care about the 3D models, it's fine, it didn't need to be a 20 minute discussion. Next time Matt is on the podcast he should just have that "wrap it up" skit from Chappelle's Show queued up so he can just play it whenever they start talking about stupid nonsense.
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Nov 10, 2015 17:33
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Just have a button in the middle of the table that plays the Sonic running-out-of-air music when a podcast topic is wearing out its welcome
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Nov 10, 2015 17:36
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Captain Invictus posted:edit: except those texts. Those texts and some other parts of the dream sequence were real great. Yeah, I really liked the texts, particularly for the moment the friends looked at them. I love when games do that "things are repeating NO WAIT THERE NOT." But the rest of the sequence kinda felt like it dragged on a bit much. I find it kind of hilarious how many perfect cuts the best friends were able to make with this episode.
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Nov 10, 2015 17:37
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Baal posted:The actual right ending here is to make it so the loving Tornado is actually a time cop and it came just to tell Max "Don't do it again" and leave. If you save Chloe like the guys did, that's pretty much the tornado's canonical purpose already. v  v
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Am I the only person who liked episode 5 then? Because I thought it was great and a good ending to a real good game. Then again I always seem to have more positive opinions on things compared to others here.
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You are not so much more positive, as you are more lenient of the game's faults.
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:Am I the only person who liked episode 5 then? Because I thought it was great and a good ending to a real good game. Then again I always seem to have more positive opinions on things compared to others here. I thought the episode did a lot of neat things, but the final choice is just lame. "You made the disaster by changing time" is the most obvious and done-before thing they could have gone with. The "good" ending is basically the equivalent of "it was all a dream." Reminds me of the gag the Best Friends brought up of a twist being that there is no twist. "You faked out the hook and went with the hook" or something. On another note, (regarding the R Mika thing) according to Liam, apparently developers aren't allowed to change things in beta? "Don't show me something and then change it" Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Nov 10, 2015 |
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Nov 10, 2015 18:05
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Did Liam talk at all about the Fatal Frame "censorship" with the costumes?
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e: ^^^He brings up way worse examples.Captain Invictus posted:You are not so much more positive, as you are more lenient of the game's faults. I liked Episode 5, but at the same time I'm incredibly lenient towards the game's faults because it's a neat premise/gameplay mechanic executed well and I enjoyed the dumb twists and fun characters who I murdered in a tornado. Bae over Bay.
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Nov 10, 2015 18:41
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Liam's censorship argument is the worst it's ever been this week
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It's not really even censorship OF anything. She still slaps her rear end and you still see her slap her rear end and it still makes a comical slap sound. But the camera is 10 inches higher. Calling that censorship is pretty silly, and by silly I mean stupid
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Nov 10, 2015 19:01
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is it censorship if a developer changes their game at all during development, or only if it's to remove dumb poo poo
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Nov 10, 2015 19:18
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Someone needs to strap Liam down in a chair with his eyes pried open as this episode of the Jimquisition plays on repeat.
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Nov 10, 2015 19:27
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Farg posted:is it censorship if a developer changes their game at all during development, or only if it's to remove dumb poo poo it's only censorship if it affects sex appeal for games. Covering up Jessica's [DQ8] tits is censorship. Decreasing required experience for level up by .0325% is not
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Compromising the developers vision for exp because they think the west can't handle it is absolutely censorship and is killing games
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I still don't get why they changed the leg split though. Maybe some characters are too tall? Too short?
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Nov 10, 2015 19:49
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I'm not one to usually fall into describing things as cringe worthy but Liam nearly going to tears over KoF14 is pretty much up there. Love him just shouting I HATE SMASH 4 IT'S UGLY TOO when it's visually the best smash game.
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Nov 10, 2015 19:52
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I'm gonna put Liam in a leg split next con if he keeps insulting smash 4. I'm gonna be like that one guy who punched Liam by accident. Cept this time it won't be an accident it's gonna be a massacre.
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Nov 10, 2015 19:58
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Give new things a chance, except when its something I know, then otherwise gently caress that new thing, especially when it tries to be different
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Tae posted:Give new things a chance, except when its something I know, then otherwise gently caress that new thing, especially when it tries to be different Like it was pointed out "we know we're being irrational, it just huuuuuuurts" is what they're saying. They never said the combat will be bad, they never said it won't be a fun game (though pat is hoping for that), they just really hate how it looks. This is what Liam can't understand apparently. FauxGateau posted:I'm gonna put Liam in a leg split next con if he keeps insulting smash 4. I'm gonna be like that one guy who punched Liam by accident. Cept this time it won't be an accident it's gonna be a massacre. He can not like it- it's fine. It's just really childish that he'd just start yelling obvious blatantly untrue poo poo when the guys aren't agreeing with him let pretending the two things are even remotely related.
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Like it was pointed out "we know we're being irrational, it just huuuuuuurts" is what they're saying. They never said the combat will be bad, they never said it won't be a fun game (though pat is hoping for that), they just really hate how it looks. Yeah, that was specifically at Liam. He's super hypocritical at times and Matt isn't there to point it out this time. The guy is somehow in super nostalgic mode at the age of 21.
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Liam is living evidence sometimes kids need to be bullied
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Mandrel posted:Liam is living evidence sometimes kids need to be bullied Not really
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I wonder why Liam doesn't frequent this thread.
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Man, I haven't listened to the podcast yet and all this talk is really making me want to skip it.
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It's fine. E: oh barf, what isn't fine is checking Vessel for Undertale 12 and seeing Reboot 5 instead.
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Rhonne posted:Man, I haven't listened to the podcast yet and all this talk is really making me want to skip it. It's probably about 10min combined that everyone goes on and on about, like every single podcast. I'll let you know, I have a 4-hour trip on coach anyway. PiedPiper posted:I wonder why Liam doesn't frequent this thread. You know the whole "Liam hates Warren because he's his doppleganger" thing? Well...
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Rhonne posted:Man, I haven't listened to the podcast yet and all this talk is really making me want to skip it. It gets some hits in. I loved the snailborne reference in the email section. speed.
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Dias posted:You know the whole "Liam hates Warren because he's his doppleganger" thing? Well... Truly, we are Liam.
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Improbable Lobster posted:You know what, when a game looks like that I'm fine with daying that it isn't a good game absolutely cannot fault you for believing that, because thats a reasonable reaction.
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It's too bad, because there's some intricate combat and class systems involved, but as long as the market keeps contracting over there you're gonna keep having good devs going even more niche to secure sales. Heck I expect it to get worse after 2016 since there's another tax increase incoming that's gonna increase the prices for all entertainment goods by something between 15 to 20$. EDIT: Wow, this new MGS episode is pretty cool. Or at least it's a pretty neat backstory extension that stays in line with MGS1 while making up the usual crazy pseudoscience. And that burger tape is amazing. HGH fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Nov 10, 2015 |
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HGH posted:It's too bad, because there's some intricate combat and class systems involved, but as long as the market keeps contracting over there you're gonna keep having good devs going even more niche to secure sales. Sources? I haven't heard of this and I can't find anything through Google
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Sorry I was off, it was set for 2017 for all national sales. The numbers might have been conjecture from elsewhere. Probably all the economic crisis articles.
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Liam is absolutely ridiculous in this KOFXIV conversation. Especially when he outright says he hates Smash 4, which makes his indignance last year when people accused him of hating it even more idiotic.
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Liam is super talented at picking both the Shittiest Hills and Rustiest of Swords to die on. ESPECIALLY after he loving says that he hates Smash4, gently caress offffff.
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HGH posted:It's too bad, because there's some intricate combat and class systems involved, but as long as the market keeps contracting over there you're gonna keep having good devs going even more niche to secure sales. Expect the games/anime industry in japan to be similar to the 90s comics industry in north america. So, a decade of crap, a decade struggling to recapture markwtshare and then a decade in which people who previously weren't the 'target audience' save the industry while awful nerds complain.
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