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The Walrus posted:Mister Bibbs heres a story for you about a man I call the Player Character  ImpAtom posted:This is a huge problem with the game I think. Yeah this is my biggest problem with F4 so far. Otherwise I'm having fun and enjoying the setting quite a bit.
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So I totally foresaw the main plot being a chore when I first saw whichever trailer that was, but I also powered through 3 giving only the minimal amount of poo poo about LiamDad. I'm more worried about melee apparently being bad again? And the lack of any notable new features besides the crafting crap? Like straight poo poo is it at least fun because I'm not expecting much in the line of characterization/plot from bethesda after New Vegas.
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Nov 10, 2015 18:59
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Jack of Hearts posted:Yeah, I am really getting to dislike the male protagonist in this game. He's characterized (and voiced, ugh) just enough that it keeps me from projecting an arbitrary personality onto him, but the level of characterization we get is also so little that I don't give a drat about the guy they force us to get to know for five minutes before the world ends. I enjoyed playing the Courier in NV, because he was whatever I wanted him to be. I enjoyed playing the specific role of Geralt of Rivia, because Geralt is cool and interesting. This guy kinda just sucks. ImpAtom posted:This is a huge problem with the game I think. I think it's just because dialog wheel + voiced protagonist is The Thing You Do now when it comes to AAA RPGs with dialog trees. It worked well in Mass Effect because Mass Effect was explicitly designed to evoke science fiction movies. It was a dialog system designed to allow for cinematic scenes and it succeeded at that, for a lot of reasons. Alpha Protocol had a similar system for a similar reason: you were supposed to feel like you were playing a spy movie. Now that it's been grafted onto every type of RPG that isn't a Kickstarted throwback RPG, it's starting to really show how limiting it can be. ImpAtom posted:Luck has a lot of VATS perk because it is the critical hits thing and critical hits are more Vats focused. Yeah, and I didn't get that before I made my character. I didn't realize that critical hits only really came from that Crit meter in VATS, so I went for 6 Luck so I could get Better Criticals. But since headshots, sneak attacks, and criticals are all separate now, I kind of regret it.
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Nov 10, 2015 18:59
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im excited for a total conversion mod to turn this game into new vegas a decade from now
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Nov 10, 2015 19:00
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LaSalsaVerde posted:So I totally foresaw the main plot being a chore when I first saw whichever trailer that was, but I also powered through 3 giving only the minimal amount of poo poo about LiamDad. I'm more worried about melee apparently being bad again? And the lack of any notable new features besides the crafting crap? Its definitely fun. The only question is how long will it be fun, but I figure on PC even if the main game becomes a disappointment pretty fast (which I don't see happening) there'll be tons of mods to do all kinds of silly poo poo. Some goons are having a blast and others are saying its the worst game literally ever (lol) so YMMV.
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Nov 10, 2015 19:00
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Colgate posted:Yeah, Witcher 3 did it right, but then again, I won't go into that game expecting a blank-slate protagonist, since Geralt is clearly well-defined in a game with a competent writing staff. No, I think you're right. Fallout 3 didn't make me care about my character's father, but it did make me care about the other Vault 101 residents, like Amata and even the Tunnel Snakes dude. I think it was because they actually had characterization and I was able to choose to a much greater degree how my character interacted with them.
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Nov 10, 2015 19:01
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RBA Starblade posted:On a scale of 1-10 it rates a "my hand's upon a dead man's gun and I'm looking down the sights". In Red Dead Redemption you played through the whole game as the father and got to know them as a character pretty well. You also play through his unfair betrayal and futile final stand. Hell, the son gets a decent amount of characterization before you take control of him too.
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Nov 10, 2015 19:01
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Thanks for the Dogmeat/stim answers a couple pages back, he got up by himself after a second so yeah.
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Nov 10, 2015 19:01
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LaSalsaVerde posted:So I totally foresaw the main plot being a chore when I first saw whichever trailer that was, but I also powered through 3 giving only the minimal amount of poo poo about LiamDad. I'm more worried about melee apparently being bad again? And the lack of any notable new features besides the crafting crap?
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The Droid posted:In Red Dead Redemption you played through the whole game as the father and got to know them as a character pretty well. You also play through his unfair betrayal and futile final stand. Hell, the son gets a decent amount of characterization before you take control of him too. I haven't even played FO4 yet it just instantly came to mind.
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Nov 10, 2015 19:02
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Every time I hear someone talking about a Melee/unarmed I think about an old interview with Bruce Lee where he said that martial arts is pretty neutered nowadays because guess what, people have guns now and they can shoot you. Personally I keep a decent melee weapon on my character but it's mostly for trash clearing. Building around it would be pain
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Nov 10, 2015 19:03
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Zaphod42 posted:I'm sure my character cares a whole lot, but I'm not my character. It's not a distinction because it doesn't exist. Never in Fallout has your character been a shell to pour your own motivations into. You're always playing a defined character with plot-dictated motivations. The particulars on how you accomplish those motivations are different (and utterly immaterial since 'How you did it' never gets brought up) but you're still playing someone. There is no way to play Fallout 1 that doesn't lead to V13 surviving, Arroyo being founded. No way to play F2 that doesn't save Arroyo to some degree. The only outlier is New Vegas, whose developers removed the "And so the Courier hosed off after doing his job because that's all he was here for" ending. Which is a shame, since it's the only NV that makes sense for the defined character you're playing. The Walrus posted:Mister Bibbs heres a story for you about a man I call the Player Character 8/10. Game has done it's job, motivating me. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Nov 10, 2015 |
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Nov 10, 2015 19:04
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that distinction is loving important dude.
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Also the voiced dialog and limited options is making me really want to reroll my Sterling Archer character. It's impossible to effectively roleplay that kind of character in this system, or at least, I feel like I'm fighting the dialog system to do it. (My girlfriend will be disappointed because she helped me make him look as much like Archer as is possible within the character creation.) Maybe I'll have more fun playing Laser-And-Science-Man!
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Harrow posted:Also the voiced dialog and limited options is making me really want to reroll my Sterling Archer character. It's impossible to effectively roleplay that kind of character in this system, or at least, I feel like I'm fighting the dialog system to do it. (My girlfriend will be disappointed because she helped me make him look as much like Archer as is possible within the character creation.) Laser and Science man is powerful, you've made a good choice.
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Nov 10, 2015 19:06
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Am I right in guessing they gave That Gun the axe in the game about replicants? I can't find it anywhere.
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Nov 10, 2015 19:07
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Eraflure posted:Am I right in guessing they gave That Gun the axe in the game about replicants? I can't find it anywhere. bethesda doesnt actually know anything about fallout except there are mutants, radiation, 50's aesthetic, and dogmeat
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MisterBibs posted:It's not a distinction because it doesn't exist. Never in Fallout has your character been a shell to pour your own motivations into. You're always playing a defined character with plot-dictated motivations. The particulars on how you accomplish those motivations are different, but you're still playing someone. It seems like you're being willfully dense but I'm really enjoying watching you be wrong. edit: like seriously if you can't see the difference between the role of fallout's 'find the water chip' and 4's 'find your son' in their respective plots then there's no point in having the conversation with you because you just don't get it.
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Speaking of Lasers-And-Science, anyone have tips for keeping your power armor within easy access? It seems like the best way to do it is to leave it at a settlement, explore an area on foot, and then fast travel away and back with your power armor if you need it, but that feels extra clunky to me.
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Nov 10, 2015 19:10
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I restarted. I still plan on sneaking, but I'm hoping focusing on pistols is a better choice than melee, which I'm quickly realizing was a bad idea. Also I put INT only at 4 this time, just so I can have access to advanced terminal hacking later, any more seems to be a waste. I want good Agility, Perception and Luck for the most part.
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ShadowMar posted:bethesda doesnt actually know anything about fallout except there are mutants, radiation, 50's aesthetic, and dogmeat Well I guess I can hope the .223 made it for Fallout 4 long as Todd doesn't confirm it.
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The Walrus posted:It seems like you're being willfully dense but I'm really enjoying watching you be wrong.
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So I picked this game up today and I kinda want to talk about how much it bothers me that you can't make your main character gay. It's like they never even considered that people would want that. In a game series all about making your character whoever and however you want that really loving stings. Especially after how well New Vegas handled it and Skyrim was really good about it too. It's really goddamn disappointing and a sour note over the whole experience for me.
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Nov 10, 2015 19:13
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Harrow posted:Also the voiced dialog and limited options is making me really want to reroll my Sterling Archer character. It's impossible to effectively roleplay that kind of character in this system, or at least, I feel like I'm fighting the dialog system to do it. (My girlfriend will be disappointed because she helped me make him look as much like Archer as is possible within the character creation.) Yeah I'm playing alcoholic science man Rick  If you want to roleplay Sterling Archer, the Saint's Row series is PERFECT for it. I'm just going to pretend the baby is my grandson. I'll care enough to rescue him eventually but not so much that I don't stop to get drunk and make a few laser rifles first.
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Harrow posted:Speaking of Lasers-And-Science, anyone have tips for keeping your power armor within easy access? It seems like the best way to do it is to leave it at a settlement, explore an area on foot, and then fast travel away and back with your power armor if you need it, but that feels extra clunky to me. I just kind of dumped mine and left it. I keep feeling I should need it, but I can't be arsed. Is it plausible to just go without?
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Harrow posted:Speaking of Lasers-And-Science, anyone have tips for keeping your power armor within easy access? It seems like the best way to do it is to leave it at a settlement, explore an area on foot, and then fast travel away and back with your power armor if you need it, but that feels extra clunky to me. That probably is the easiest way but don't forget to remove the core or one of your companions/random dude at the settlement can potentially steal the power armor and not give it back. Happened to someone about 100 pages ago.
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Colgate posted:I restarted. I still plan on sneaking, but I'm hoping focusing on pistols is a better choice than melee, which I'm quickly realizing was a bad idea. Also I put INT only at 4 this time, just so I can have access to advanced terminal hacking later, any more seems to be a waste. I want good Agility, Perception and Luck for the most part. I can't decide if I want to do sneaking. I plan to play on Hard just to run into more legendaries, and it seems like I can look forward to getting mobbed and ripped to shreds if I don't sneak around. But I also want to use lasers, and you can't silence those, so they have no synergy with a stealth build at all. Not really sure what to do about that. NWO posted:I just kind of dumped mine and left it. I keep feeling I should need it, but I can't be arsed. Is it plausible to just go without? As far as I can tell, yes. I think it's really fun to use but it's a pain to keep it around so you can actually use it.
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Captain Fargle posted:So I picked this game up today and I kinda want to talk about how much it bothers me that you can't make your main character gay. It's like they never even considered that people would want that. In a game series all about making your character whoever and however you want that really loving stings. Especially after how well New Vegas handled it and Skyrim was really good about it too. no its ok you can totally be gay* *but only after you have a forced straight marriage and a child
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Captain Fargle posted:So I picked this game up today and I kinda want to talk about how much it bothers me that you can't make your main character gay. It's like they never even considered that people would want that. In a game series all about making your character whoever and however you want that really loving stings. Especially after how well New Vegas handled it and Skyrim was really good about it too. Yeah I was wondering if this was an option, also can you customize the appearance of your wife? I didn't even try but I figure you can. But yeah that sucks, you'd think in this day and age most RPGs have gotten with the program and offer some LGBT options. I mean Dragon Age is all over that poo poo. ShadowMar posted:no its ok you can totally be gay* They're just really sticking with the 50s atmosphere! 
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah I was wondering if this was an option, also can you customize the appearance of your wife? I didn't even try but I figure you can. Yes, you can customize both the husband and wife regardless of which you play as and the game remembers.
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no dont you get it, gay couples can't have a proper bond with their child. im glad bethesda is protecting the sanctity of marriage in video games.
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if you make your wife black do you have a brown baby
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Nov 10, 2015 19:19
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The Walrus posted:if you make your wife black do you have a brown baby Yes.
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ShadowMar posted:no its ok you can totally be gay* Can I? Can I actually? Because so far I'm sure as hell not seeing it.
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How the hell do scrounging stations work? It says that when manned, it "increases scavenged resources" but gently caress if I ever see anybody generating any loot in there. I think I want to reroll, instead of being a very lucky idiot I want to be a charismatic inventor who can make the most of the basebuilding stuff. Also more endurance, at least to get some radiation-reducing perks because JESUS radiation does not gently caress around in this game. Even from just eating stuff!
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Nov 10, 2015 19:21
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Intro was funny and emotionally resonant with me cause I grew up in a cryogenic chamber
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Captain Fargle posted:Can I? Can I actually? yeah, you can romance some companions and they're all bisexual of course but make sure to level up your charisma because the romance dialogue is a charisma check and you can fail it due to complete random chance
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projecthalaxy posted:I thought New Vegas was much more perceptive of most RPG players when they decided to make your first goal, the thing that makes your character get up in the morning, the desire to rain fire and vengeance on this one douchebag and everyone he knows instead of familial connections. Well if this thread is about things NV did better, then we're in for a long ride. A wild ride if you will
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the game is fun as poo poo, but my wife was doing one of the early tutorial missions and it teleported her to Diamond City lol
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You can also romance freely and there's no jealousy checks, so even though the game starts you off in a monogamous heterosexual relationship, by the end you can be playing a polyamorous bisexual single mother. So long as the RNG doesn't make it so your Charisma check fails and the character decides they don't want to be in a relationship with you.
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