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Foxtrot_13
Oct 31, 2013
Ask me about my love of genocide denial!

wilfredmerriweathr posted:

If you want to talk about bad taste, I think Argentina has shown themselves to be just as ridiculous as Top Gear - except one is a humorous car show and one is, you know, an actual country.

Argentina have spent the last 50 years demanding islands 200 miles from their coast and who the natives don't want anything to do with them belong to them because a Dutch man sailed past 200 years ago in the pay of the Spanish.

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Plucky Brit
Nov 7, 2009

Swing low, sweet chariot

Foxtrot_13 posted:

Argentina have spent the last 50 years demanding islands 200 miles from their coast and who the natives don't want anything to do with them belong to them because a Dutch man sailed past 200 years ago in the pay of the Spanish.

A curious situation where Britain is completely in the right.

I don't know how many Argentinians actually care about those islands though, it's mainly a way for the government to distract them from the terrible economy.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Plucky Brit posted:

A curious situation where Britain is completely in the right.

I don't know how many Argentinians actually care about those islands though, it's mainly a way for the government to distract them from the terrible economy.
They don't give a gently caress about the islands, but there be oil in them there waters, matey.

They can go gently caress themselves. If you take any of their inane arguments as to holding claim to the Falklands to hold water, the same arguments mean their entire population should piss off out the country, save for anyone who can trace their entire lineage back to the fifteenth century.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

InitialDave posted:

They don't give a gently caress about the islands, but there be oil in them there waters, matey.


Which is rapidly becoming worthless anyway. No one's gonna drill that stuff out now.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





i started watching top gear again from the start and it's certainly not terrible back then but you can see it needed some work, the cinematography has improved endlessly though

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
The Polar Special is the first one in HD and man it's a clear improvement. They also got their structure down. I do love early on though that Jezza doesn't draw out the lap times, and starts to do it as he realized how much the stars care and are on the edge of their seats. You can really see a lot of things evolve.

I do love that May's first appearance he's promoting an old, slow, impractical car. That he owns. And has to ride his folding bike 7 miles to drive, because he has to rent a garage outside London to keep it in. And it's his only car.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Riven posted:

The Polar Special is the first one in HD and man it's a clear improvement. They also got their structure down. I do love early on though that Jezza doesn't draw out the lap times, and starts to do it as he realized how much the stars care and are on the edge of their seats. You can really see a lot of things evolve.

I do love that May's first appearance he's promoting an old, slow, impractical car. That he owns. And has to ride his folding bike 7 miles to drive, because he has to rent a garage outside London to keep it in. And it's his only car.

it's really pretty interesting how they play may as the doddering old professor type, when if you watch any of his other stuff he's actually a really fascinating guy who is passionate about an enormous amount of things, everything from music to beer and wine to home handymanning

actually jason dawe wasn't bad to be honest, and i kind of enjoyed his whole 'this is what you can get a deal on' segment... but man, it wasn't the right place for it

Ror
Oct 21, 2010

😸Everything's 🗞️ purrfect!💯🤟


I haven't rewatched them in a long time but seasons 4-8ish were always my favorites. A big part of it might just be that a bunch of great cars were coming out, I always remember the segments for the Porsche GT, the McLaren SLR, and the Enzo for example. And stuff like the original DB9 race and the Jaguar at the Nurburgring was done around that time too. And all that killer Pendine Sands footage, I really wish there was HD of that stuff.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
Reading the new behind-the-scenes Top Gear book, they knew Jason Dawe wasn't a television personality and he would have gotten better with time. But BBC sacked him and replaced him with May, which turned out well.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
It'd a be a great joke if they rehired him for the new series.

Rude Dude With Tude
Apr 19, 2007

Your President approves this text.
They've been filming for the new series in China

Preoptopus
Aug 25, 2008

Три полоски,
три по три полоски

Logikv9 posted:

Reading the new behind-the-scenes Top Gear book, they knew Jason Dawe wasn't a television personality and he would have gotten better with time. But BBC sacked him and replaced him with May, which turned out well.

May was actually on old Top Gear in 99.

Lobster God
Nov 5, 2008
Talking of James May, the documentary where he goes up in a U-2 is on iplayer: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lc5ph/james-may-at-the-edge-of-space

It's great.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

Preoptopus posted:

May was actually on old Top Gear in 99.

Oh he was, along with Clarkson (but you already knew that). The New Top Gear just came with Wilman and Clarkson, everybody else was an audition tape.

davebo
Nov 15, 2006

Parallel lines do meet, but they do it incognito
College Slice
My first episode of Top Gear wasn't until series 5, episode 6 with the 1500 pound used Porsches. The part I remember most was they had to get dates in the singles section of the newspaper by describing their car and Jeremy placed his in the gay section and mentioned his was a V8. From there I was hooked.

meatpimp
May 15, 2004

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some high-quality thread's DESTROYED!

:kheldragar:

Now the little bitch that couldn't take a punch is suing Clarkson.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/bbc-top-gear-producer-suing-jeremy-clarkson-and-bbc-for-racial-discrimination-a6733181.html

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
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Reminder: Said "little bitch" was verbally abused with strong bigoted references to his Irish heritage and then punched in the face. By his boss. Over the fact that he was not able to supply a hot meal to said boss and his mates. Because the chef had to leave work and go home. Because it was getting very late. Because the boss and his mates had been out drinking.

Oisin Tymon deserves every pound he can wring from Clarkson.

meatpimp
May 15, 2004

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:) EVERYWHERE :)
some high-quality thread's DESTROYED!

:kheldragar:

KozmoNaut posted:

Reminder: Said "little bitch" was verbally abused with strong bigoted references to his Irish heritage and then punched in the face. By his boss. Over the fact that he was not able to supply a hot meal to said boss and his mates. Because the chef had to leave work and go home. Because it was getting very late. Because the boss and his mates had been out drinking.

Oisin Tymon deserves every pound he can wring from Clarkson.

This has been hashed and rehashed. Guy was a little bitch for not doing his job, arguing with the boss, and running to the hospital for a split lip delivered from an out-of-shape, 55 year old man. To try to get money because his lineage was disparaded is simply another bitch move.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
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meatpimp posted:

This has been hashed and rehashed. Guy was a little bitch for not doing his job, arguing with the boss, and running to the hospital for a split lip delivered from an out-of-shape, 55 year old man. To try to get money because his lineage was disparaded is simply another bitch move.

So in other words, it's perfectly fine if your boss attacks you physically and verbally because you did the best job you could under the circumstances?

Circumstances that were actually Clarkson's fault because he stayed out to drink more instead of coming to the hotel at the agreed time.

I'm pretty sure Tymon's contract with BBC/Top Gear didn't have a "little bitch" clause allowing his boss to attack him if his job was not done to 100% satisfaction.

This continuing attack on Tymon from all sides is completely mindboggling and the worst kind of victim blaming. Don't let the fact that you like Clarkson's show cloud your judgement.

KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Nov 13, 2015

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.
I think we've gone over this already in the thread multiple times.

What does surprise me is that he's willing to make himself pretty-much unemployable in this industry for such a small amount. If he gets all he's claiming for, he stands to walk away with 75k.

Definitely better than a punch in the face, but not enough to retire on.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

meatpimp posted:

This has been hashed and rehashed. Guy was a little bitch for not doing his job, arguing with the boss, and running to the hospital for a split lip delivered from an out-of-shape, 55 year old man. To try to get money because his lineage was disparaded is simply another bitch move.

No. That isn't how employment works.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.
Oh good, this again. Can we instead argue about how Jay Leno said he didn't want to be a member of American Top Gear because he didn't want to turn his hobby into a job but now Jay Leno's Garage has been picked up by CNBC? Of course this wouldn't be the first time that Leno changed his mind when faced with not being on TV anymore.

ColHannibal
Sep 17, 2007

meatpimp posted:

This has been hashed and rehashed. Guy was a little bitch for not doing his job, arguing with the boss, and running to the hospital for a split lip delivered from an out-of-shape, 55 year old man. To try to get money because his lineage was disparaded is simply another bitch move.

I'm pretty sure your opinion of this guy and the acceptance of being punched in the face by your drunk boss for screwing up would be completely different if top gear was not canceled due to the incident.

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

Cat Hatter posted:

Oh good, this again. Can we instead argue about how Jay Leno said he didn't want to be a member of American Top Gear because he didn't want to turn his hobby into a job but now Jay Leno's Garage has been picked up by CNBC? Of course this wouldn't be the first time that Leno changed his mind when faced with not being on TV anymore.

It's a little different in that it's still Jay showing off Jay's cars and doing what Jay wants, as opposed to... well, Top Gear US.

Wamsutta
Sep 9, 2001

I still can't get over how punchable that guy's name is.

This is the world we live in, he'll get a payout and disappear. Clarkson probably knew this was coming and can for sure afford it. Lawyer up, it's the way of the world.

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
Plus, it's coming back, so it's not like Tymon ended the show. I dislike Tom Cruise but love the M:I movies. I dislike Clarkson but love Top Gear. You can admit he's a horrible person and that Tymon isn't, because people's personal lives in the end have little long-term impact on the things they make if they're talented enough.

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi

poo poo, I could have been slapping the slow nurses this whole time?

Whiz Palace
Dec 8, 2013

Wamsutta posted:

I still can't get over how punchable that guy's name is.

It's a common Irish name.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Whiz Palace posted:

It's a common Irish name.

Surprise, people who are OK with workplace punching also prove to be culturally insensitive.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

meatpimp posted:

This has been hashed and rehashed. Guy was a little bitch for not doing his job, arguing with the boss, and running to the hospital for a split lip delivered from an out-of-shape, 55 year old man. To try to get money because his lineage was disparaded is simply another bitch move.

Source your quotes

meatpimp
May 15, 2004

Psst -- Wanna buy

:) EVERYWHERE :)
some high-quality thread's DESTROYED!

:kheldragar:

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

Source your quotes


I did.

He:
a) did not have food ready for Clarkson.
b) argued with Clarkson about it.
c) ran to the hospital for a bloody lip.
d) is suing for "racial discrimination" because Clarkson used a slur against his racial lineage.

What more do you need citations for?

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
Because Eddie Van Halen would have been justified in punching someone if he had found a brown M&M.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Riven posted:

Because Eddie Van Halen would have been justified in punching someone if he had found a brown M&M.

I think it was more of David Lee Roth's idea on that contract rider

F1DriverQuidenBerg
Jan 19, 2014

You Am I posted:

I think it was more of David Lee Roth's idea on that contract rider

The idea for that was fairly ingenious. Somebody was talking about it and they pretty much said they put that in there because if there were brown M&Ms it was typically a red flag that other parts of the rider that actually needed to be met probably needed to be looked at because the staff obviously hadn't read the rider.

Riven
Apr 22, 2002

1500quidporsche posted:

The idea for that was fairly ingenious. Somebody was talking about it and they pretty much said they put that in there because if there were brown M&Ms it was typically a red flag that other parts of the rider that actually needed to be met probably needed to be looked at because the staff obviously hadn't read the rider.

Yeah, I know. They put it in after a stage collapsed underneath them one time, because the concert hall hadn't checked the strength against what they said their kit weighed.

They still shouldn't punch someone for not following it.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


1500quidporsche posted:

The idea for that was fairly ingenious. Somebody was talking about it and they pretty much said they put that in there because if there were brown M&Ms it was typically a red flag that other parts of the rider that actually needed to be met probably needed to be looked at because the staff obviously hadn't read the rider.

That example is used a LOT in project management training as far as I have seen. If your staff/contractors cannot read and fulfill a seemingly small and simple item on a complex list of tasks....don't trust their work for the rest of it ESPECIALLY the hard stuff.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I've written instructions that I thought were clear enough and still have the people ask me questions that are clearly in the instructions in bold. So yes, if I saw a brown m&m, I would be pissed.

Keldoclock
Jan 5, 2014

by zen death robot

KozmoNaut posted:

So in other words, it's perfectly fine if your boss attacks you physically and verbally because you did the best job you could under the circumstances?


counterpoint: Drunk Gus

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

quote:

Van Halen was the first band to take huge productions into tertiary, third-level markets. We'd pull up with nine eighteen-wheeler trucks, full of gear, where the standard was three trucks, max. And there were many, many technical errors whether it was the girders couldn't support the weight, or the flooring would sink in, or the doors weren't big enough to move the gear through.

The contract rider read like a version of the Chinese Yellow Pages because there was so much equipment, and so many human beings to make it function. So just as a little test, in the technical aspect of the rider, it would say "Article 148: There will be fifteen amperage voltage sockets at twenty-foot spaces, evenly, providing nineteen amperes ..." This kind of thing. And article number 126, in the middle of nowhere, was: "There will be no brown M&M's in the backstage area, upon pain of forfeiture of the show, with full compensation."

So, when I would walk backstage, if I saw a brown M&M in that bowl ... well, line-check the entire production. Guaranteed you're going to arrive at a technical error. They didn't read the contract. Guaranteed you'd run into a problem. Sometimes it would threaten to just destroy the whole show. Something like, literally, life-threatening.

The folks in Pueblo, Colorado, at the university, took the contract rather kinda casual. They had one of these new rubberized bouncy basketball floorings in their arena. They hadn't read the contract, and weren't sure, really, about the weight of this production; this thing weighed like the business end of a 747.

I came backstage. I found some brown M&M's, I went into full Shakespearean "What is this before me?" . . . you know, with the skull in one hand . . . and promptly trashed the dressing room. Dumped the buffet, kicked a hole in the door, twelve thousand dollars' worth of fun.

The staging sank through their floor. They didn't bother to look at the weight requirements or anything, and this sank through their new flooring and did eighty thousand dollars' worth of damage to the arena floor. The whole thing had to be replaced. It came out in the press that I discovered brown M&M's and did eighty-five thousand dollars' worth of damage to the backstage area.

Well, who am I to get in the way of a good rumor?

http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/vanhalen.asp

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InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

KozmoNaut posted:

So in other words, it's perfectly fine if your boss attacks you physically and verbally because you did the best job you could under the circumstances?
If he takes the immediate consequences of doing without getting HR involved, yes.

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