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The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Something something Blinovitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUHiIRXeDKQ

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CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Not in that photo

Then you find something! I'm at work, I shouldn't even BE on this forum right now!

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Jerusalem posted:

In season 8 she'd make fun of him for looking like a stick insect, all long-limbs and skinny. In one episode she gets a call from him and that image comes up on her phone screen.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
After finally watching The Thick of It, Missy is a hero for killing that gobshite Ollie.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Not in that photo

He's the one on the right

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

CobiWann posted:

Then you find something! I'm at work, I shouldn't even BE on this forum right now!

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




He's a year and half younger than Capaldi.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Davros1 posted:

He's a year and half younger than Capaldi.

Maybe when he starts to look old in 20 or 30 years he can be a "new" incarnation!

ThaGhettoJew
Jul 4, 2003

The world is a ghetto

Rhyno posted:

Maybe when he starts to look old in 20 or 30 years he can be a "new" incarnation!

In years to come we might find him revisiting a few... but just the old favorites, ay?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Fantastic :allears:

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor

Jerusalem posted:

The Rapture is really bad. REALLY bad. As a direct follow-up to Colditz it is ESPECIALLY bad.

CobiWann posted:

1. Jerusalem is right. This story sucks. Sucks. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

Rochallor posted:

This story really is a turd.

This is one of the few Doctor Who stories of any format to come close to consensus. It is one of the only Big Finish releases that I can say I actively hate (The TAO Connection is another). This one, though, really affects me because of its treatment of Ace. And it infuriates me.

Out of all companions, Ace is the only one actively portrayed as the Doctor's protege. She knows there's no place for her at home. She's seen wrongs and needs to right them. She has a... fondness for pyrotechnics. If there's a young Doctor in the making, it's her. Episodes like Ghost Light are specifically based around the Doctor arranging lessons.

But for Lidster, being a companion has to be the worst thing imaginable - it's one of his recurring themes. Only damaged and broken people with a death wish choose the travel with the Doctor. When Ace meets her Surprise Brother, she has a meltdown because if only she'd known about him growing up, she could have been a "normal" person, "with a boyfriend!" even.

Ace. Who stayed overnight in the rubble of a friend's home to keep away looters after it had been firebombed by racists. Ace, who's spent her entire life, long before she met the Doctor, fighting anyone who uses a position of authority to do wrong. I know it's supposed to be about her getting over the the events of Colditz, but it goes way beyond that and shits all over the concept of the character.

gently caress Joseph Lidster.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Bradley Walsh should do something on Who, he's actually a very solid actor.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



After The War posted:

But for Lidster, being a companion has to be the worst thing imaginable - it's one of his recurring themes.

Not only his, a lot of Doctor Who authors are like that. I don't know if they think it's "edgy", or "profound", but a lot of them like writing post-travels life with the Doctor as the worst thing ever. Jo's life in the BBC 8 Doctor novel "Genocide". Ace, in the NAs.

And Dodo. Poor Dodo.

Maelstache
Feb 25, 2013

gOTTA gO fAST

Davros1 posted:

Not only his, a lot of Doctor Who authors are like that. I don't know if they think it's "edgy", or "profound", but a lot of them like writing post-travels life with the Doctor as the worst thing ever. Jo's life in the BBC 8 Doctor novel "Genocide". Ace, in the NAs.

And Dodo. Poor Dodo.

Jo got off lightly! At least she didn't end up dead, maimed or irrevocably traumatised(or all three, if it's a Jim Mortimore novel). Not like the terrible fates that befell Liz Shaw, Mel and Dodo. But yeah, it did seem like gratuitous companion-torture was a game of one-upmanship for the NA writers. Lidster seems to've only taken in the "misery porn" element of those stories and used it as the basis of everything he's ever done.

My feeling is that the "edgy" NA Ace was very much a product of the prevailing trend at the time(in comics mainly) of taking existing properties and make them DARK and GRITTY and GRRR. I do actually wonder if the decision was made to age her up because some of the stuff involving the character in the early books was decidedly uncomfortable, given that she was supposed to be a teenager at that point. John Peel's "Genesys" was the worst offender(and also happened to be the first one to see publication, unfortunately), you can practically hear the author's heavy-breathing at times.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!
Dandelion break.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Castle Radium posted:

Lidster seems to've only taken in the "misery porn" element of those stories and used it as the basis of everything he's ever done.

In The Reaping there's a scene that lasts something like 5 minutes where it's just a quietly sobbing Peri listening in on her best friend and mother talking about how much of a relief it was to not have her around and how they're disappointed she is back. This goes nowhere and has no pay-off whatsoever :stare:

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Jerusalem posted:

In The Reaping there's a scene that lasts something like 5 minutes where it's just a quietly sobbing Peri listening in on her best friend and mother talking about how much of a relief it was to not have her around and how they're disappointed she is back. This goes nowhere and has no pay-off whatsoever :stare:

Now I want an E-Space audio where the passengers on the Starliner lament about how loving fantastic things have been since Adric went and hosed off.

ThaGhettoJew
Jul 4, 2003

The world is a ghetto

Rhyno posted:

Now I want an E-Space audio where the passengers on the Starliner lament about how loving fantastic things have been since Adric went and hosed off.

Five seemed all right about it:

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Jerusalem posted:

In The Reaping there's a scene that lasts something like 5 minutes where it's just a quietly sobbing Peri listening in on her best friend and mother talking about how much of a relief it was to not have her around and how they're disappointed she is back. This goes nowhere and has no pay-off whatsoever :stare:

Not the worst thing that has been done with her. How could you forget the books that claim she was molested by her stepdad?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

bobkatt013 posted:

Not the worst thing that has been done with her. How could you forget the books that claim she was molested by her stepdad?

I never read them, and it sounds like I made the right choice!

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

bobkatt013 posted:

Not the worst thing that has been done with her. How could you forget the books that claim she was molested by her stepdad?

GRITTY

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
Can someone please explain the "Clara is dead" theory to me? I don't get it.

Linear Zoetrope
Nov 28, 2011

A hero must cook
Maybe DoctorDonna is the Hybrid and this will end up being the greatest season arc ever.

TinTower posted:

Can someone please explain the "Clara is dead" theory to me? I don't get it.

In the second story the Doctor acted like he had already hosed with time to save Clara, also something about the cloister bell ringing around her I can't remember. I don't remember if there was anything in the Viking one, and in the most recent story he made that remark that it was "like she was dead for a month" and "I'll be the judge of time". He's really just been acting extremely wonky around her in general, like he's hiding or afraid of something. Or avoiding something he knows has to happen to her eventually.

Somebody can probably lay this out better, I'm not recalling all the evidence with total clarity.

Linear Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Nov 14, 2015

NowonSA
Jul 19, 2013

I am the sexiest poster in the world!

TinTower posted:

Can someone please explain the "Clara is dead" theory to me? I don't get it.

Someone else will post the long version, and I know they already have earlier in the thread. Basically the theory is that the Doctor has seen Clara die, but unlike when he saw Amy and Rory's gravestones and decided that it was definitely 100% impossible to see them again because shut up that's why, he's going back and having adventures with her despite knowing that she's eventually going to head to her doom. This is based on him looking at Clara slightly more wistfully than usual, him being more willing to bend or break the rules of time, and the occasional odd comment he throws out there, like how he said he spent a month thinking Clara was dead.

For my money, the first episode makes a LOT more sense if the Doctor's seen Clara die right before it. He sees that, sends off his will, goes to party for about a month, makes a big scene that none of his time-traveling enemies (such as davros) can miss, and waits for one of them to show up to kill him. 11 moped on a cloud because he felt that he couldn't see Amy anymore, but she did live a full life with Rory so he was just depressed, not suicidal. The Doctor in the first episode of the season really seems to have given up on fighting and living, and so far we haven't really seen an explanation for that aside from "Davros remembers that you once left him to die." I mean, the shame could have driven him to basically giving up, and that's how the episode was framed, but you never know.

We're coming up on the last few episodes of the series, and it wouldn't surprise me if Clara dies at the end of episode 10, and eps 11 and 12 show the Doctor interacting with past Clara as we've seen through the season after he gave saving her his best shot and couldn't. Missy may pop in with a new threat and claim (possibly truthfully) that she can save or did save Clara, but the Doctor won't see her again unless he stays out of Missy's way, or I dunno, Missy'll be doing something or other for sure.

So yeah, this turned out to actually be the pretty drat long version. The short version is it's typical wild speculation about Doctor Who stuff.

NowonSA fucked around with this message at 12:53 on Nov 14, 2015

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

ThaGhettoJew posted:

Five seemed all right about it:


What always bothered me about this was that the model shot is just hanging there and then explodes. There's no attempt to make it look like it's crashing into the Earth. :mad:

TL
Jan 16, 2006

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world

Fallen Rib
The Doctor was also playing Amazing Grace in the TARDIS in the first Zygon episode, which could be a clue in a "Paul is dead" sorta way.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!
Basically, there's enough stuff that would make more sense (or different sense) if Clara was dead that it wouldn't be a cop-out if she was, but not enough that it's an obvious plot point right now.

It's on the table, it hasn't been refuted, and it's an interesting idea. That's more or less it.

HD DAD
Jan 13, 2010

Generic white guy.

Toilet Rascal

TL posted:

The Doctor was also playing Amazing Grace in the TARDIS in the first Zygon episode, which could be a clue in a "Paul is dead" sorta way.

There was also that promo pic this season that was a riff on the Abbey Road cover, with Jenna in Paul's place barefoot, with a modified license plate that used to play into the "Paul is dead" theory.

Attitude Indicator
Apr 3, 2009

there's also no obvious season arc/mystery, like we got in 5-6-7-8, except for the use of the word "hybrid."

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Here we go. :D

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Oh God it's Pauline coming to get him for taking her pens! :gonk:

echoplex
Mar 5, 2008

Stainless Style
This one is... something.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Jerusalem posted:

Oh God it's Pauline coming to get him for taking her pens! :gonk:

An enormous Steve pemberton should come running down the corridors bellowing "EGREGIOUS?! EGREGIOUS!!!!?" as he hurls pens.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

They must really wish that Peep Show didn't come back only a few days ago.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I appreciate the concept behind this but so far it basically looks cheap and the atmosphere is really lacking. The rescue team in particular just come across as a bunch of incompetent idiots.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Yeah, Apone, Hicks and co. they ain't.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS
I see sheersmith got hold of a babylon 5 uniform.

echoplex
Mar 5, 2008

Stainless Style
...there we go.

Fil5000 posted:

I see sheersmith got hold of a babylon 5 uniform.

Be nice, that's where the money went!

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch
evil sleep dust

never thought that would be a thing

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Sentinel Red
Nov 13, 2007
Style > Content.
Who cares, it has a Space Geordie in it, it's automatically the Greatest Ep of the Year!

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