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Mega64 posted:Oh hey, today is the fifteenth anniversary of FF9 hitting the U.S. Also it's beating Kingdom Hearts on GameFAQs. Huh. Didn't think IX was THAT popular.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Huh. Didn't think IX was THAT popular. GameFAQs has a pretty perceptible bias of old > new.
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Nov 13, 2015 23:37
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Mega64 posted:Update this weekend assuming I don't spend all my time playing Fallout 4.
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Nov 14, 2015 00:17
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Gamesfreak13563 posted:GameFAQs has a pretty perceptible bias of old > new. It also has a blatantly obvious bias of FF > non-FF, though I guess Kingdom Hearts is kind of an edge case where that's less relevant.
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Nov 14, 2015 13:47
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Huh. Didn't think IX was THAT popular. The first Kingdom Hearts wasn't that great either though.
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Nov 14, 2015 14:12
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Nov 14, 2015 15:44
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I've never actually played Kingdom Hearts besides a tiny bit of the GBA one. Think I'll keep it that way too.
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Nov 14, 2015 15:49
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FFIX is super popular in the west these days. Everybody with an internet connection and a forum to post about it on goes on about how it's the most underrated game ever and way better than 7 or 8.
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Nov 14, 2015 17:23
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Endorph posted:FFIX is super popular in the west these days. Everybody with an internet connection and a forum to post about it on goes on about how it's the most underrated game ever and way better than 7 or 8.
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Nov 14, 2015 17:41
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I haven't heard a lot of people say 9 is better than 7. But it being better than 8 is just a matter of established fact.
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Nov 14, 2015 17:53
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Mega64 posted:I've never actually played Kingdom Hearts besides a tiny bit of the GBA one. I'm so, so sorry you had to go through that.
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Nov 14, 2015 17:55
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idonotlikepeas posted:I haven't heard a lot of people say 9 is better than 7. But it being better than 8 is just a matter of established fact. The only reason I don't outright say 9 is the best final fantasy ever made is because I can't decide over it and 6.
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Nov 14, 2015 19:00
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Mega64 posted:I've never actually played Kingdom Hearts besides a tiny bit of the GBA one.  I saw Donald and Goofy and took a pass, never been compelled to go back and try it
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Nov 14, 2015 20:09
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Missed out on an optional, solo, sephiroth boss fight that includes an instant kill attack you can survive if you time a full heal elixir to hit you at the moment the attack does.  He also has like 15 hp bars in a game where bosses have like 3-4 max. I also fought him at lv40 instead of 70 so ...
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Nov 14, 2015 20:19
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kingdom hearts is cool and the sephiroth fight is cool and that isn't even how that attack works. heartless angel knocks you down to 1 hp, it isn't an instant kill, and you cancel it by attacking him while he's channeling.
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Nov 14, 2015 20:33
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Yeah, the Elixir is for immediately recovering back from the 1 HP it leaves you in case you fail to interrupt it, you didn't need it to straight up not die. It's a tough fight but there are much harder ones in the later KH games and re-releases. Hell, he's arguably not even the hardest fight in the original game, I faintly recall having (even) more trouble with Kurt Zisa who was a real bastard to beat at least without any guides. In any case, fighting Sephiroth with One-Winged Angel playing in the background was legitimately awesome in the first KH because that was in a time when both FF spin-offs and FF characters in non-FF games were way more unusual than they are today.
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Nov 14, 2015 20:41
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My bad. To be fair I was like 12 or something and I'm going off my memory from 13-14 years ago
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Nov 14, 2015 21:09
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Endorph posted:kingdom hearts is cool and the sephiroth fight is cool It's not instant kill without Second Chance? Also, KHII is the best in the series, while the rest are of varying quality.
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Nov 14, 2015 21:12
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Kanfy posted:In any case, fighting Sephiroth with One-Winged Angel playing in the background was legitimately awesome in the first KH because that was in a time when both FF spin-offs and FF characters in non-FF games were way more unusual than they are today. That's really the main thing; in the context of the time the game came out, it really was cool and different for its insane mashup of Disney and FF. And it worked. Mostly. Bregor posted:I saw Donald and Goofy and took a pass, never been compelled to go back and try it Boooooo 
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Nov 14, 2015 21:15
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:It's not instant kill without Second Chance?
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Nov 14, 2015 21:29
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The first Kingdom Hearts was good dumb fun and the GBA game was pretty alright. From the second game on though it got way too wrapped up in itself for its own good.
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Nov 14, 2015 21:32
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Oh, if we're talking about plot, then yeah, KHI and CoM were the best. The introduction of Xehanort was the point things started getting nuts.
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Nov 14, 2015 21:36
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Endorph posted:FFIX is super popular in the west these days. Everybody with an internet connection and a forum to post about it on goes on about how it's the most underrated game ever and way better than 7 or 8. VII had a coherent story, goofy characters, and a terrible translation. VIII had a less coherent story (with a lot of its cool world building stuff hidden too well), a lot of great character moments, and a good translation. IX had a good story, great characters, a bunch of references to past games, and a great translation/localisation for KH talk, I have recently been playing through Birth By Sleep in the 2.5 collection, and it's surprisingly good (way better than Chain of Memories). the battle system is actually fun and not stupid like some of the other deviations.
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Nov 14, 2015 21:45
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Yeah, BBS is pretty rad. The big problem is that it had to take PSP storage limitations for a storyline and divide it by 3 to work everyone's story in, so each individual storyline is rather short compared KH1 or 2. Sure, the three of them played one after the other will get about as much playtime as KH2, but you also have to start over with a new character twice, which each one having a radically different playstyle and unique abilities from the other two. Also a problem is that it's rather easy to break the game open with D. Links and Shotlocks. That said I loved the crap out of it and would still recommend it to anyone, especially for the few of you trying to make sense of KH's clusterfuck of a story, since it sets up some important details for KH2 and later games.
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Nov 14, 2015 22:59
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Realistically it's the "3rd Kingdom Hearts Game", with the actual Kingdom Hearts III being 4th (or possibly 5th, depending how relevant some stuff in DDD is.) It's much more fun to play than KHII, and probably the first Kingdom Hearts but I love that game to pieces so I try not to make those comparisons. Then again I actually enjoy just how batshit stupid Kingdom Hearts plot got so I have a hard time judging how other people might react to it.
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Nov 14, 2015 23:24
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Bad Seafood posted:The first Kingdom Hearts was good dumb fun and the GBA game was pretty alright.
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Nov 14, 2015 23:43
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U.T. Raptor posted:The first KH was good, but the series went completely up its own rear end after that. Agreed. The first KH is still a game that I break out every once in a while. Not so much with any of the sequels. Still think ffix is better though.
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Nov 15, 2015 00:13
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anyone who thinks the first KH is the best one needs to remember that for most of the game, you have to run slowly to everywhere, the mandatory gummi stuff was terrible, and the menu system was crap. god if I don't love it though
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Nov 15, 2015 03:25
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Oh yes, the gummi ship sections are without question the biggest thing KH2 improved upon over the original. Instead of boring Sunday drives with occasional enemy-shooting and slow-obstacle-dodging, all that poo poo gets kicked up to mach speed in a fun and furious space shooter. It's great.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:05
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Bufuman posted:Oh yes, the gummi ship sections are without question the biggest thing KH2 improved upon over the original. Instead of boring Sunday drives with occasional enemy-shooting and slow-obstacle-dodging, all that poo poo gets kicked up to mach speed in a fun and furious space shooter. It's great. I continually post that KH2 is the best Star Fox game since 64.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:16
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:I continually post that KH2 is the best Star Fox game since 64. Actually that's Kid Icarus
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Nov 15, 2015 04:23
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I like KH2 the most even if that's when it had tons of really boring cutscenes. Then again they also added the ability to skip them, but I didn't play any of the games afterwords.
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Nov 15, 2015 05:47
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Maybe it's because I play Dynasty Warriors but I feel like I've got a decent tolerance for button mashing. I really like Kingdom Hearts' combat system especially the QTEs because they're so flashy and dumb most of the time.
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Nov 15, 2015 06:13
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RareAcumen posted:Maybe it's because I play Dynasty Warriors but I feel like I've got a decent tolerance for button mashing. I really like Kingdom Hearts' combat system especially the QTEs because they're so flashy and dumb most of the time. This isn't as much of praise as I intended before thinking to say it because in retrospect Reaction Commands basically just activate JRPG cutscenes, but with Reaction Commands playing KH2 is like playing a JRPG cutscene. It's the same itch that Dissidia: Final Fantasy scratches.
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Nov 15, 2015 06:18
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The QTEs are what made me primarily dislike KH2. That and the weirdo plot. Also, I was one of those weird ones that actually liked the exploration of KH1.
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Nov 15, 2015 06:22
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The original Kingdom Hearts had a lot of cool things, like using magic in the field to interact with the environment. Or getting bonus EXP by handling enemies creatively.
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Nov 15, 2015 06:55
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The original Kingdom Hearts was good because it was just a silly crossover game with no pretensions. Run around Disney worlds, fight Disney villains, have a couple Final Fantasy characters show up for fun, and hey, here's an oddly epic final boss thing. It was like Super Smash Brothers for Disney except an action RPG instead of a fighting game. Combat was simple but decently engaging, and the game's charming personality did a lot to endear it to people. Then we get the sequel which kicks off reasonably enough but the longer it goes on the more it feels like someone taking their fanfic a little too seriously. The game itself becomes kind of a slog as well, what with revisiting everywhere twice, and you have all these bad guys with maybe one or two scenes before they die who I don't really care about because I just wanna trash Disney villains not these weirdos I barely know. Then those weirdos we barely knew got their own game, then we got some sequel prequel thing, and now I need a flow chart just to figure out who's who because it turns out the series big bad guy has been like eight different dudes and everyone has at least one doppelganger or previous incarnation - sometimes more.
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Nov 15, 2015 07:06
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The problem with KH is that it has an insane canon path from 1-2-3. Chain of Memories is a huge, missing piece if you brushed off this dinky GBA game as a harmless spin-off instead of the entire base of the Nobodies and Namine.
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Nov 15, 2015 07:10
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if you didn't play Chain of Memories you're better off just reading a wiki article about the story because it takes less time to do that than it does to play the game and figure out it's not worth it.
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I liked Chain of Memories alright and even finished it, although I played the PS2 version instead of the original which obviously played completely differently and more akin to the base games.
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