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Avshalom
Feb 14, 2012

by Lowtax
I primp my anal tube. My webcomic exudes in fits and starts. It crawls across the floor. The slithery squirm of its movement represents society, religion, my dreams. My hairy clefts. My nipples, ruddy and winking. I'm a fraud! I slide my webcomic back into my sumptuous body with a sigh. Pipes groan in the walls. My toilet has been blocked for three weeks and the turds have consolidated into an underground monolith. The stars are like tiny sodium lamps. I'm a fraud. I'm a FRAUD! I'm just a hot poo. In this age we create with a wave of the hand and our creations spring to life, like Galatea, so that we can have sex with them.

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John Liver
May 4, 2009


good to see you again, mr. diaz

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤
Oni Press present first title from open submissions: 'Space Battle Lunchtime' by Natalie Riess

Oni talks about their recent open submissions experience - it sounds like they got 2,500 in total.

McKilligan
May 13, 2007

Acey Deezy


Made a thing for my school's yearbook last night. Took waaaay longer than I'd like to admit.

Scribblehatch
Jun 15, 2013

Oh I never posted this beat here.

http://chaosinthetropics.com/archive/ch1beat15 (warning: some nudity)

I don't plan to make another beat this long in the foreseeable future. Did have fun with 'the effect' in it though. These kindsa things are why I'd recommend most people get their own code from scratch if possible. You can have anything happen, potentially.

mrfart
May 26, 2004

Dear diary, today I
became a captain.
I know most of you don't speak Dutch here, but if you do (or if you don't, what do I care),
consider voting for my short story that was nominated for a Plastieken Plunk (a plastic Plunk, Plunk being a comic book character).

You can find it here: http://goo.gl/FIQvWz

Thanks

Now I'll have to come up with a nice way to bribe the jury, which they actively encourage.

Mercury Hat
May 28, 2006

SharkTales!
Woo-oo!





New favorite feature of Manga Studio: changing the color of your lines layer by layer :3: .

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤
We got our Comixology sales numbers back today. Comixology is notoriously bad at reporting, as we only get sales data back 60 days after a financial quarter ends.

Toronto Comics: Volume 1 - $4.99
Launched Q4 2014
34 units sold

Toronto Comics: Volume 2 - $4.99
Launched Q2 2015
13 units sold

We get 50% of net sales after IOS/Google Play takes their percentage cut of revenue. In total, we’ve earned $108.65 for both books since launch.

I don’t believe anthologies do particularly well on Comixology, and the $5 price point may be too high for cautious buyers. For Volume 3, we’re going to be looking at releasing it on Comixology only as a series of .99 cent digital minis, and we’ll see if the cheaper price builds an audience.

We've got a 30 page mini being prepared for Comixology now, and we should get sales data for a cheaper smaller book in - sigh - February.

Cephas
May 11, 2009

Humanity's real enemy is me!
Hya hya foowah!
Can anyone give me advice on beginning to draw comics? I'm really new to visual art, so I've been practicing basic drawing skills lately. In the spring I'm going to be taking an undergrad course in beginning drawing and a graduate course on graphic narrative. I've been getting this impression that like, drawing pictures of my living room probably won't help me learn how to draw a character very much.

Are there any good books/blogs/video series that I could look to, especially for the drawing side of things? I have Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics and I'll pick up Making Comics before too long, but I get the impression that it will be more about structure than about the elements of drawing.

Thanks :)

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
The key to drawing comics is drawing comics.

Mercury Hat
May 28, 2006

SharkTales!
Woo-oo!



The thing is, to really start drawing comics you'll have to get your brain into comic mode since right now and yeah, the only way to jump start that is to draw comics.

Like, it's really tempting when you're drawing for yourself without a goal to just draw what interests you. When you do that, yeah maybe you'll be good at drawing a particular pose or character or environment, but there'll be a whole bunch of things you won't improve at all and you won't even realize it.

All that said, you really want to ease into it. Until you really get used to making full pages, comics can be a little more daunting than an illustration, I feel. Have a set story planned out, and don't do a huge story for your first project if you've never finished a story before. You need to figure out how you work before you can feel comfortable scaling it up.

When I got back into doing comics, I started small with short stories, no more than 15 pages and that was at the beginning of 2013 and I got about 45 pages done. I had a little hiccup in 2014 and didn't do any for a few months, but I was still doing between 10 and 15 pages and had a more productive year with around 80 pages.

This year I've figured out how my work flow goes and what an ideal story length for me is (30 pages plus or minus a bit) and I'm on track to get about 180 pages out of me this time around. But if I'd tried to do a page every day or every other day when I first started, I would have given up.

It's a skill like anything else, you gotta build up to it. If you try too much at once, you'll probably just burn out.

Kojiro
Aug 11, 2003

LET'S GET TO THE TOP!

Fangz posted:

The key to drawing comics is drawing comics.

Essentially, yeah! Start out with a couple of small projects, like a short story that's just a few pages long, and work from there.

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007


It's really important to avoid a mindset where you "aren't ready yet" or you're waiting intil you're "good enough" because you're never going to find the point where you're satisfied enough to formally start and make successful comics. Your first stuff is gonna look awful to you once you're three years deep in it but to start out it'll be fine. Mastery only comes through repetition and failure, it's a hard road and the only way to walk it is to put one foot in front of the other and start from the beginning.

If you're worried about not "doing it right" I think you can find most of the cartoonists here (or anywhere) have much, much uglier first pages than last pages of their work. Just remember: if you don't like something about a page, fix it on the next page.

WrathOfBlade
May 30, 2011

Cephas posted:

I've been getting this impression that like, drawing pictures of my living room probably won't help me learn how to draw a character very much.
Honestly, learning how to draw a decent backdrop will put you way ahead of most cartoonists just starting out :v:

Proko's anatomy videos are a fun way to pick up some tips for drawing people. In general it is just something you have to practice at, though.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I am exactly the kind of person who simply won't start anything unless they have all the facts, understand all the instructions and feel safe in the knowledge that they won't find themselves unsure of what to do halfway through, and the best thing that has happened to me recently is realising that I have to switch my brain off, relax, let natural instinct take over and just let what happens on the page happen without fretting about every god drat line.

I have a long way to go before it becomes second nature to me (god I really hope it does), but when I can disengage my brain and just doodle away, I have noticed my sketches becoming less stiff and deliberate and taking WAY less time.

I should probably draw a loving comic at some point though.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
Hello, I'm going to say something that might be implied or whatever but feels important to point out to someone who hasn't made comics or really done anything visual like you seem to be. If you're new to art and need/want to get better at specifically drawing stuff and making it look recognizable and good you should practice, like, doing that and not just comics. Like you should be doing life drawing and landscapes and still lifes and poo poo at least as much as you're making comics.

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007


The reason it's actually important to make comics to learn making comics is because the difference between comics and life drawing is the element of time passing between panels. Whether or not you're good at life drawing is a lot less important than how good you are at pacing, framing your shots and moving your camera from beat to beat, which is all stuff you only learn by making comics. There's rules that apply to fine art which apply to comics all the same, specifically about leading the eye and how a reader scans a page for visual data, but ultimately "just do landscapes" isn't going to make you better at making comics, it will just make you better at drawing.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
Yeah that's definitely true, what I mean is just that if you're someone like Cephas who is new to both comics and drawing in general it's important to remember that practicing drawing and practicing comics are separate things and that they're both important. I guess it's anecdotal but I've seen a looooooooooooot of people who get super into making comics/animations/whatever else when they're still at an early stage artistically and as soon as they start doing that they spend all their time doing that and drawing practice grinds to a halt.

neonnoodle
Mar 20, 2008

by exmarx
It's a somewhat esoteric viewpoint, but I think Lynda Barry's comics curriculum is really good for getting from zero to something. Draftsmanship isn't really discussed, it's more about writing from an authentic personal voice and learning how to translate that into panels. Some of the work that comes out of her class is refreshingly sincere.

HanzoSchmanzo
Apr 11, 2011

Anybody have any questions about printing with Ka-Blam, or using IndyPlanet?

I'll also answer questions about dinosaurs, or Star Trek, if you got 'em.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤
How is IndyPlanet as a creator? Do they do any stat reporting on pages viewed, books sold, etc.? How's the experience?

Kablam seems really expensive compared to basically any other printing house - if you're printing more than a hundred units, it's vastly cheaper to find someone local.

pulp rag
Feb 25, 2013

AGDQ 2018 Awful Block Survivor
I was going to go with Kablam for my senior-year comic, but a local place did almost double the amount in top of being cheaper and quicker.

My friend that did go with them said that they actually screwed up her comic when she went through them, they printed the cover backwards and upside down on all her copies. So, dunno if that was a fluke or not. Gladly, they re-printed everything for free, but by then it was a bit late.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

pulp rag posted:

I was going to go with Kablam for my senior-year comic, but a local place did almost double the amount in top of being cheaper and quicker.

My friend that did go with them said that they actually screwed up her comic when she went through them, they printed the cover backwards and upside down on all her copies. So, dunno if that was a fluke or not. Gladly, they re-printed everything for free, but by then it was a bit late.

I used kablam for my senior project since I had a lot less copies to print than you guys did, if you only want a few dozen copies and don't need the books very soon they're alright.

sweetguts
Apr 29, 2013

I know what I'm about.
They've actually been very good to me and I keep going back to them. I've only ordered print runs of 20 or so copies at a time, so they are very handy for that. I'm getting to the point where I need to do more so I'm looking for someplace cheaper, but I'd recommend them for people just starting out with a small book that they want to do something with.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤
I just printed 300 thirty page B+W perfectbound 6" x 9" books with Rapido Books for $650-ish CDN, but doing it with Kablam would have cost me $1120 CDN.

Even if I'd just printed 100 books with Rapido, it'd still have been +- $100 cheaper.

HanzoSchmanzo
Apr 11, 2011

Squidster posted:

How is IndyPlanet as a creator? Do they do any stat reporting on pages viewed, books sold, etc.? How's the experience?

Kablam seems really expensive compared to basically any other printing house - if you're printing more than a hundred units, it's vastly cheaper to find someone local.

Well, I do sell my books through IndyPlanet, but I also work there. We don't offer anything on the order of in depth analytics (at the moment), but you can keep track of your sales, and earnings. Personally, I'm happy with it as a platform to sell my books, but like I said, I'm an employee, so my experience might not be representative.

Do you have any specific questions about it?

Squidster posted:

I just printed 300 thirty page B+W perfectbound 6" x 9" books with Rapido Books for $650-ish CDN, but doing it with Kablam would have cost me $1120 CDN.

Even if I'd just printed 100 books with Rapido, it'd still have been +- $100 cheaper.

We don't have the economy of scale that offset presses offer, which is why our focus is on short-run printing. Still, 300 copies of a 32 page black and white book should run you about 558.00 USD (or 743.00 CDN). Maybe something was screwy with the calculator when you priced it?

We do have a price-break at 500 copies, and another at 1000 copies but, like I said, there isn't the crazy drop in bulk order price like with offset.

sweetguts posted:

They've actually been very good to me and I keep going back to them. I've only ordered print runs of 20 or so copies at a time, so they are very handy for that. I'm getting to the point where I need to do more so I'm looking for someplace cheaper, but I'd recommend them for people just starting out with a small book that they want to do something with.

Hey, thanks! I'm always pretty happy when people manage to outgrow us, but also happy that you seem pleased with the service.

pulp rag posted:

I was going to go with Kablam for my senior-year comic, but a local place did almost double the amount in top of being cheaper and quicker.
My friend that did go with them said that they actually screwed up her comic when she went through them, they printed the cover backwards and upside down on all her copies. So, dunno if that was a fluke or not. Gladly, they re-printed everything for free, but by then it was a bit late.

Ah jeez. Sorry about that. We do make mistakes from time to time. We're just a handful of people, after-all. We do try to make those sorts of goof-ups right, though.

Wowporn posted:

I used kablam for my senior project since I had a lot less copies to print than you guys did, if you only want a few dozen copies and don't need the books very soon they're alright.

Glad it worked out for you. We like to try and get things out as soon as we can, but with the volume of orders, that standard turnaround (28 days) helps us keep things manageable. That said, anything you re-order gets a 10 day turnaround automatically.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤

HanzoSchmanzo posted:

Well, I do sell my books through IndyPlanet, but I also work there. We don't offer anything on the order of in depth analytics (at the moment), but you can keep track of your sales, and earnings. Personally, I'm happy with it as a platform to sell my books, but like I said, I'm an employee, so my experience might not be representative.
Analytics are my jam, so if you do add page tracking I'd be a huge fan! I'm always fascinated by trying to determine exactly which page or panel lost a user. I'd love to be able to progammatically spot dead spots in storytelling.

HanzoSchmanzo posted:

We don't have the economy of scale that offset presses offer, which is why our focus is on short-run printing. Still, 300 copies of a 32 page black and white book should run you about 558.00 USD (or 743.00 CDN). Maybe something was screwy with the calculator when you priced it?
Using your estimator, I quoted for a 32 page manga size B+W with no ads, which came to $672.00 + $167.19 shipping, for a total of $839.19 USD, which is $1117.51 CDN.

Everyone optimizes for a different niche, and I appreciate that you guys offer helpful templates and a lot of guides to folks just starting out!

pulp rag
Feb 25, 2013

AGDQ 2018 Awful Block Survivor

HanzoSchmanzo posted:

Ah jeez. Sorry about that. We do make mistakes from time to time. We're just a handful of people, after-all. We do try to make those sorts of goof-ups right, though.

Hey, poo poo happens. Like wowporn said, it was more of a singular case thing. His stuff turned out great.

Nude
Nov 16, 2014

I have no idea what I'm doing.
Unsure if this is the right place to post this, but this is a character design I'm working on. Trying to make sure the drawing is clear and looks nice. If there is a better place to post this feel free to redirect me.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤
If you want to test yourself to make sure you understand the character's shapes, I strongly recommend doing some character rotations for each age - stuff like this:

( Bruce Timm's design will always be my favorite Batman )

mrfart
May 26, 2004

Dear diary, today I
became a captain.
Do any of you guys have experience with people who can help set up a simple comic press site?
I have a wordpress site and tried changing it with comic press to have the typical online comic layout, but I just can't get it to work.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

This thread has been a lot of help with my weird comic project. I've never really had an interest in making comics, or really reading them for that matter, but I wanted to tell this story and there was no way I could do it in any other format. So what the hell. Why not give it a go.
I'm about halfway done penciling, but took a break to make a cover. I don't really know what I'm doing so I'm winging it. But it's both kinda fun, and frustrating.

Here's my main character, Mortin. He, like the little dude in my Avatar, loves ghosts and aliens and all that. All he wants to do is prove to his non-believer friends that they are totally real. Unfortunately, he soon realizes the paranormal is loving terrifying and completely shakes him to his core. And to top it off, because of an incident which he had some involvement in, paranormal monsters are running around . He's literally the only person who could probably do something about it. Too bad he's already completely shot his chance at anyone helping him out. So he has to face it alone. Which sucks.



Later he does meets some kids who end up helping him out but I haven't got that far in the writing. I've just set up the stories.

I dunno, when I watched Invader Zim as a kid, I've always wanted to see more "Dib goes hunting paranormal monsters" stories on the show...but the show was canned before that happened. So the idea stuck with me. So I isolated that part of it, and am trying to do my own thing with it. No idea if it'll work! But hey, it's worth a try right?

CelticPredator fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Nov 20, 2015

Nessa
Dec 15, 2008

CelticPredator posted:

This thread has been a lot of help with my weird comic project. I've never really had an interest in making comics, or really reading them for that matter, but I wanted to tell this story and there was no way I could do it in any other format. So what the hell. Why not give it a go.
I'm about halfway done penciling, but took a break to make a cover. I don't really know what I'm doing so I'm winging it. But it's both kinda fun, and frustrating.

Here's my main character, Mortin. He, like the little dude in my Avatar, loves ghosts and aliens and all that. All he wants to do is prove to his non-believer friends that they are totally real. Unfortunately, he soon realizes the paranormal is loving terrifying and completely shakes him to his core. And to top it off, because of an incident which he had some involvement in, paranormal monsters are running around . He's literally the only person who could probably do something about it. Too bad he's already completely shot his chance at anyone helping him out. So he has to face it alone. Which sucks.



Later he does meets some kids who end up helping him out but I haven't got that far in the writing. I've just set up the stories.

I dunno, when I watched Invader Zim as a kid, I've always wanted to see more "Dib goes hunting paranormal monsters" stories on the show...but the show was canned before that happened. So the idea stuck with me. So I isolated that part of it, and am trying to do my own thing with it. No idea if it'll work! But hey, it's worth a try right?

I really love your cover!

Sounds like your comic has a bit of an X-files vibe. Sounds cool! :)

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

Hey thanks! There is for sure a lot of X-Files. Recently watching the whole show kinda put a lot of new things in my head, which was fun.

McKilligan
May 13, 2007

Acey Deezy
Another MSPaint comic for my english classes. Black lines done in GIMP, colors added via mouse in MSPaint in-class.

I'm actually really proud of the flow in this one, figuring out the best way to frame the panels and the house interior so each shot led to the next was way more fun than I thought it'd be.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Is there a reason why you're using MSPaint for coloring? Not a slam or anything, just curious.

McKilligan
May 13, 2007

Acey Deezy

Vermain posted:

Is there a reason why you're using MSPaint for coloring? Not a slam or anything, just curious.

I go around to different classrooms for my lessons, and the computers there are all varying degrees of terrible. Plus, windows is all in Korean here. Paint is the one reliable program they all have in common, so it's the only thing I have to make examples with.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
Hey, if you are a fan of manga artists and their work, you're surely get a kick out of this documentary series Urasawa (Monster, 20th C Boy) made (first episode starring the mangaka behind Kuragehime, Higashimura Akiko):

https://youtu.be/QtPfR8qc3o0

Fangz fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Nov 24, 2015

Lord Prinnington
Jul 20, 2010
I don't usually post much of anything anywhere, but I just started making a new webcomic. It's my first real try at making something good, I've been drawing for a while but I haven't ever really finished a project or had any plans to do so until now. Fairly new to the whole process so I feel like I'm a bit worse at a lot of the things specific to comics (pacing, layout, motion, etc.) but I'm working on it and trying to improve page-by-page. Currently working on a weekly update schedule because of time constraints. I don't know a lot of people who would be able to give me any useful criticism so hopefully you guys can help out in that department. I made the first like 13 pages in a batch and uploaded them at the same time. Still working on the site layout, pretty new to this stuff. Looking back, there are a couple things I wish I had drawn differently (the grass backgrounds, the first page in the basement) but I decided that I wouldn't go back and redraw pages since I'd never be able to get anywhere if I did. If you have any tips for site layout, the pacing, the panel layout, etc. I'd be happy to hear it.

http://dologhon.thewebcomic.com/



It's a surreal mystery/drama/a little bit of horror comic more or less about a girl being elected president of her country by a pantheon of animal gods, and how she tries to make the world a better place. Set in alternate world modern times. Violence and stuff but not a lot of action. Sometimes (usually weekends gmt evenings) when I work on it I set up a stream and talk to the one random guy that decides to peek in over here: http://www.twitch.tv/coolcomic

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Mercury Hat
May 28, 2006

SharkTales!
Woo-oo!



The vanilla version of Manga Studio 5 / Clip Studio Paint is on sale again for $15 USD! Does anyone not have Manga Studio at this point :v: ?

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