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Ligur posted:
I'd say that they basically calculate the benefits of having cheap exploitable workforce and the ability to lower social security vs. the increased police budgets which probably isn't even a minus in their eyes. In addition they will get to implement draconian laws when terror attacks occur. It's a win win win win win for our leaders.
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# ? Nov 14, 2015 22:43 |
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# ? May 15, 2024 02:46 |
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social democaracy can't exist with open borders
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# ? Nov 14, 2015 22:50 |
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ScanPol thread can't exist with open borders.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 06:14 |
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Paavo Väyrynens initiative regarding the euro passed 51,000 votes btw.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 08:39 |
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His Divine Shadow posted:Paavo Väyrynens initiative regarding the euro passed 51,000 votes btw. Does it have any stretch goals
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 08:56 |
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Obfuscation posted:Does it have any stretch goals Paavon perse venyy.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 09:30 |
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Obfuscation posted:Does it have any stretch goals If it reaches 1802329 names, Paavo becomes president.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 13:49 |
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Hogge Wild posted:social democaracy can't exist with open borders Yes, what we need is a sort of "national" socialism, if you will. I have an idea. Instead of making all kinds of limits and borders for people, why won't we make limits and borders to capital? Maybe people wouldn't wouldn't be so willing to blow themselves up if they wouldn't have to race themselves to the bottom every day just to make a living.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 15:17 |
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Fish of hemp posted:Maybe people wouldn't wouldn't be so willing to blow themselves up if they wouldn't have to race themselves to the bottom every day just to make a living. What in the world. I want the happy drugs you are having.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 16:44 |
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konna posted:What in the world. I want the happy drugs you are having. You don't want these. These are very sad drugs. And I see you didn't say I was wrong.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 17:31 |
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Fish of hemp posted:Yes, what we need is a sort of "national" socialism, if you will. maybe if people stopped worshipping moon gods they wouldn't blow themselves up edit: make that any gods
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 17:43 |
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 17:55 |
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im athier
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 17:57 |
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Hogge Wild posted:maybe if people stopped worshipping moon gods they wouldn't blow themselves up
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 18:03 |
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You make a good point, we should legalize opium and drugs in general as a counter terrorism measure.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 18:08 |
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Fish of hemp posted:And I see you didn't say I was wrong. Daydreams are not wrong per se. They are dreams.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 18:17 |
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Are you disagreeing with his point that economic inequality and poverty are root causes for extremism of all kinds?
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 18:20 |
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doverhog posted:Are you disagreeing with his point that economic inequality and poverty are root causes for extremism of all kinds? lol
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 18:21 |
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what the gently caress is going on in this thread?
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 18:26 |
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doverhog posted:Are you disagreeing with his point that economic inequality and poverty are root causes for extremism of all kinds? Are you agreeing with it??
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 18:28 |
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kikkelivelho posted:what the gently caress is going on in this thread? some people think that terrorist blow themselves up because they don't have enough money for edam and iphones and not because they're members in a hosed up pedocult
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 18:28 |
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There's more than one reason, obviously.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 18:32 |
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Hogge Wild posted:some people think that terrorist blow themselves up because they don't have enough money for edam and iphones and not because they're members in a hosed up pedocult Well I don't see Juha Sipilä and other members of his hosed up pedocult blowing themselves up
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 18:35 |
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Andrast posted:Well I don't see Juha Sipilä and other members of his hosed up pedocult blowing themselves up just you wait
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 18:35 |
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doverhog posted:Are you disagreeing with his point that economic inequality and poverty are root causes for extremism of all kinds? That's not the part what makes it a dream.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 18:39 |
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Andrast posted:Well I don't see Juha Sipilä and other members of his hosed up pedocult blowing themselves up This is actually my dream.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 18:54 |
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Hogge Wild posted:some people think that terrorist blow themselves up because they don't have enough money for edam and iphones and not because they're members in a hosed up pedocult So glad we have so many middle class kids willing to blow themselves up with 100 other people because of poverty and inequality
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 19:05 |
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So Ive been seeing posts on Fb how paris attacks will happen in Finland but I still cant figure out how. Not only are you gonna be looked at suspiciously if you are Brown, how are you even supposed to get automatic guns here?
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 19:14 |
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punakone posted:So Ive been seeing posts on Fb how paris attacks will happen in Finland but I still cant figure out how. Not only are you gonna be looked at suspiciously if you are Brown, how are you even supposed to get automatic guns here? Burglarize a motorcycle club? Although joining the army would be easier, and as a bonus they give you weapons training. Then you'd either go punde or "lose" your weapon in a metsäleiri. Nenonen fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Nov 15, 2015 |
# ? Nov 15, 2015 19:32 |
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lololol Yle uutiset messing up voice over and images. Voice over speaks about terrorists while showing catholic priests holding mass.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 19:32 |
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Geriatric Pirate posted:So glad we have so many middle class kids willing to blow themselves up with 100 other people because of poverty and inequality Myyrmannin pommimies, never 4get
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 19:35 |
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Geriatric Pirate posted:So glad we have so many middle class kids willing to blow themselves up with 100 other people because of poverty and inequality Then why? If their actions doesn't come from the disappointment to and disillusioment caused by capitalistic system, then why? Middle class muslims just be crazy or what?
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 19:39 |
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Hogge Wild posted:main reason i read this thread is to see marxists poo poo their pants when they read ligur's posts Because you assholes got my friend Ligur banned, I decided to take his place for now. Hoookei: Sweden has been infected with friend of the family aids! I bet the government right now is smacking their förheads saying "doh! i shoulod have seen this cominG" but they were too busy sucking off all the refugees that are coming into Malmö, because they are bög. Soon, everyone on the west coast of Finland will have aids too while Sipilä dilly-daddles around, twisting his thumbs, saying that "Islam is a religion of peace". On the bright side, Finland isn't a major target for Daesh, but we have our own problems: Greece and Ali Akhmed who lives next door to me.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 19:52 |
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kikkelivelho posted:what the gently caress is going on in this thread? Everyone is a puppet master.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 20:00 |
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I think Orwell on fascism applies here.quote:“[Hitler] has grasped the falsity of the hedonistic attitude to life. Nearly all western thought since the last war, certainly all “progressive” thought, has assumed tacitly that human beings desire nothing beyond ease, security, and avoidance of pain. In such a view of life there is no room, for instance, for patriotism and the military virtues. Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flag and loyalty-parades ... Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a grudging way, have said to people “I offer you a good time,” Hitler has said to them “I offer you struggle, danger and death,” and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet” In the sense that there's a type of disillusionment separate from the quality of life. Some people will always be drawn to the idea of a great struggle against a great percieved evil, and radical islam provides one such view of the world. I don't think the problem will be solved until the middle east has governments that are capable of suppressing these ideas, both through soft ways like education and using force against the real hardliners. Think of the militia crazies in the US. Most of the population has other things to do and regard them as nutters, and the groups that exist are under heavy surveillance. A good first step would be governments that don't actively sponsor terrorist groups as a means of projecting force. The house of Saud should run out of petrodollars during this century, which should hopefully help a little. Or not.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 20:03 |
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Fish of hemp posted:Then why? If their actions doesn't come from the disappointment to and disillusioment caused by capitalistic system, then why? Middle class muslims just be crazy or what? Keep in mind that when talking about violent radicals we are talking about a tiny subset of people. Hundreds of millions of poor muslims don't join Daesh and they abhor them, 99% of Finnish poor racists don't go arsoning refugee centres etc. Why do people become so disillusioned and alienated and radicalized is a question similar to why does Jeppe drink, if we knew the answers then we wouldn't have this issue. But yes, many kids are genuinely crazy and some of those may think they'll be remembered as heroes if they kill Bobrikoff or whatever. Again, not even all crazy kids go around hurting other people. This shouldn't be mistaken with those locals who fight in the ranks of Daesh because it's the best available option from their perspective.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 20:07 |
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Fish of hemp posted:Then why? If their actions doesn't come from the disappointment to and disillusioment caused by capitalistic system, then why? Middle class muslims just be crazy or what? Most of then aren't poor, not on a national level and definitely not on a global level where they're rich. Their manifestos don't mention capitalism, just Islam. The capitalism narrative is just something you choose to attribute to their actions because that's what you consider to be the source of all their problems. If it was about lack of opportunity or capitalism, you'd see much poorer radicals and a much more even,split between Islam and non-Muslims. Oh, and they wouldn't ramble about destroying godlessness or whatever.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 20:09 |
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gently caress I thought this was the France thread.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 20:15 |
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brakeless posted:I think Orwell on fascism applies here. That is a great quote.
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# ? Nov 15, 2015 20:21 |
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brakeless posted:I think Orwell on fascism applies here. Sipilä and Stubb are Hitler and everyone sending 5€ text messages to MTV Yöchätti about how unions are bad are Germany.
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