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 100% of terrorists identified so far are French nationals. We gotta stop the boats you guys
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bunnyofdoom posted:Well considering her picture was on all the signs and she ran for mayor last year and placed second and gave tons of interviews on her heritage especially during the refugee portion of the election..... You give the electorate too much credit if you think they follow the local ground game that much. People were tired of DDM/CPC and got on board with the Trueaumania  train. If candidates weren't near constantly whipped maybe the locals would matter.
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THC posted:
Bomb the poo poo out of our military? What is she, female CI?
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Dallan Invictus posted:Assuming we are using the same statistics, 8th rank means approximately 1.5% of the global total though? (and the physics of global warming give approximately zero shits about per capita). The major contribution I was thinking of was more along the lines of trying to develop alternative technological solutions or pioneering new social strategies, and then taking the necessary steps to speed their adoption by other countries. Also, in the original context of the comment, our role as a major pollutor means we're well suited to lead the charge against global warming at international conferences by offering to set voluntary targets for reducing emissions. You're right that we could stop 100% of our emissions and still not significantly impact global warming but I think that's a relatively narrow reading of what constitutes a "major contribution". I was thinking more along the lines of the role we can play as a member of the international community, and while we're not on the same level as countries like the USA or China I think we're relatively well positioned. At bare minimum we could try to be an example that the environmentalists of other countries can point to instead of embracing the role Harper was crafting for us as an international pariah.
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Crosscountry Checkup is talking about Paris attacks, the callers so far have been grimly entertaining, tune in if you dare!!!
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Helsing posted:The major contribution I was thinking of was more along the lines of trying to develop alternative technological solutions or pioneering new social strategies, and then taking the necessary steps to speed their adoption by other countries. Also, in the original context of the comment, our role as a major pollutor means we're well suited to lead the charge against global warming at international conferences by offering to set voluntary targets for reducing emissions. I agree that we should be doing all of these things with respect to global warming, and in general that "major contributions" to an effort against X can mean more than things that directly reduce X, in much the same way that I agree that Canada can contribute (and is contributing) against ISIS in other ways than simply dropping bombs on them to provide air support and tactical advantage for the various regional groups fighting them (such as providing training for those groups who we approve of, and so on, and so on). This is why I specified "concrete" contributions are what is limited by our small size for a rich country. I would take it further and say that direct contributions to worthwhile collective efforts are valuable even if they only occur on symbolic levels that can serve as an example for others. I would say this goes for direct reductions of emissions, for direct acceptance of refugees, and even for direct military action. When it comes to international collective efforts, the main question should always be "should X be done" not "can we tip the scales in the effort to accomplish X". Very few countries can tip the scales against any X, but if everyone calculates that way then nobody actually does anything and you get halfassed efforts that do nothing good.
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Majuju posted:Crosscountry Checkup is talking about Paris attacks, the callers so far have been grimly entertaining, tune in if you dare!!! Just turned it on! I look forward to it.
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thats a dumb argument because canada can actually have a huge impact on global warming as we control a huge amount of the worlds fossile fuels
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yeah but that doesnt involve bombing the poo poo out of a bunch of brown people so i can slather blood all over my dick and jerk myself off
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seriously still lolling at the dude trying to equate stopping global warming with bombing isis. like what lol
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anyway, bombing isis has worked out great for france.
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This Hitler chap, I've got a good feeling about him. I'm sure appeasement will work, no need to actually fight! Whether Canada specifically ought to be bombing Daesh is a very different argument to "should Daesh be bombed?" I don't think we need to be doing the bombing, but someone sure as gently caress should, and I have no problem with Canadian forces playing a supporting role in such in whatever measure the government feels necessary.
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PT6A posted:This Hitler chap, I've got a good feeling about him. I'm sure appeasement will work, no need to actually fight! Admit it, you've never even read a book on the interwar years.
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PT6A posted:This Hitler chap, I've got a good feeling about him. I'm sure appeasement will work, no need to actually fight! Godwin. I'm extremely amused your comparing a state being belligerent with a terrorist organization. Present day Russia is a much better comparison.
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The situation with ISIS is exactly like Nazi Germany you guys and all you liberal pantywaists are exactly like Chamberlain Unlike me the big tough strong cigar smoking bulldog man. Ourah. Let's roll.
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Kafka Esq. posted:Admit it, you've never even read a book on the interwar years. Yes, of course I have. The time for a non-military solution was literally "any time between the end of WW1 and Hitler getting power." Appeasing Hitler, after he gained power, was a losing proposition. Likewise, there are certainly things we could've done to prevent the rise of Daesh, but those options are, largely speaking, not on the table any more.
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RBC posted:thats a dumb argument because canada can actually have a huge impact on global warming as we control a huge amount of the worlds fossile fuels This is most true when you are strictly talking about oil, yes (10% of proven reserves, 5% of production). When one factors in coal (1% of proven reserves, 1% of production) and NG (1% of proven reserves, 5% of production), which also contribute to global warming, the picture gets murkier. (all figures from BP's statistical review here.) And in no case do we have such a dominant position that we can actually have a huge direct impact on global warming on our own, because sufficient outside supplies exist that even if the tar sands shut down tomorrow the world would merrily go on burning the same amount of oil and just buying it from the Saudis or the US instead. This is a demand problem, not a supply problem, and it is a global problem. This is not to say we should do nothing. This is to say we should contribute to solving global problems to the best of our ability, even if "the best of our ability" is not a direct gamechanger. But by all means continue lolling. Laughter is good for you. Dallan Invictus fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Nov 16, 2015 |
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PT6A posted:Yes, of course I have. The time for a non-military solution was literally "any time between the end of WW1 and Hitler getting power." Appeasing Hitler, after he gained power, was a losing proposition. Likewise, there are certainly things we could've done to prevent the rise of Daesh, but those options are, largely speaking, not on the table any more. So what exactly are you saying we should be doing? Should we bomb and invade Syria, try to destroy Isis by military might? How would other nations respond? What would Russia and middle East nations view any further involvement? Should we remove Assad from power? In my view your ideal that the solution is military involvement is simplistic. Isis isn't a nation state like Germany was in the second world war. It's a loose confederation of like minded people more than a proper military state.
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Baudin posted:So what exactly are you saying we should be doing? Should we bomb and invade Syria, try to destroy Isis by military might? How would other nations respond? What would Russia and middle East nations view any further involvement? Should we remove Assad from power? I think it's both a state in one sense and an ideological movement in another sense. Denying Daesh the ability to control territory and make money is a necessary condition, not a sufficient condition, to managing the threat that the ideological movement (which is the part responsible for things like the Paris attacks) represents. I've already stated that I'm personally opposed to removing Assad at this time. It will have to be done at some point, but it can and should only be done when the authority of the Syrian state is absolute in its territory, so that a halfway-orderly transition of power can be effected.
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We've been dropping bombs for over a decade, let's keep dropping more bombs on whoever, wherever, to see if that works! I don't care if we have to bomb 10 innocents to get to that 1 guy with ties to _________! If bombs were going to work, they would have worked years ago on the first group of guys. Peace doesn't sell bombs though, I guess, or satisfy people's sense of vengeance 
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Professor Shark posted:We've been dropping bombs for over a decade, let's keep dropping more bombs on whoever, wherever, to see if that works! I don't care if we have to bomb 10 innocents to get to that 1 guy with ties to _________! Don't worry man, we're bringing in 25,000 of them they'll get their chance to blow us up!
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"We're bringing in 25000 of them" Who? Refugees fleeing violence and oppression? "Them."
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Do it ironically posted:Don't worry man, we're bringing in 25,000 of them they'll get their chance to blow us up! Good and I hope they start with you.
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There was a good interview on the Sunday Edition this morning talking about the various strategies of ISIS, including stirring up Islamaphobia in the West to alienate Muslims living there and make them easier targets for recruitment. It's an obvious tactic, but one I haven't thought much about. http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thesundayedition/special-program-dedicated-to-the-paris-attacks-1.3319706 Dreylad fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Nov 16, 2015 |
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PT6A posted:I've already stated that I'm personally opposed to removing Assad at this time. It will have to be done at some point, but it can and should only be done when the authority of the Syrian state is absolute in its territory, so that a halfway-orderly transition of power can be effected. If you think the Syrian state is going to wield "absolute" anything within it's territory any time in the next several decades then you're delusional. Your prescriptions for this situation are so far removed from plausible reality that you might as well be discussing the best way to remove the Dark Lord Sauron from power.
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Stretch Marx posted:Good and I hope they start with you. Probably will happen in Calgary first, we're the #1 exporter of ISIS fighters from Canada, but yet the Islamic Centre on 8th ave still hasn't been shut down.
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The 9/11 hijackers had their papers in order. The Paris shooters were Frenchmen. Not refugees. Stop dancing your silly dance and just admit that you think all brown people anywhere are potential terrorists.
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Do it ironically posted:Probably will happen in Calgary first, we're the #1 exporter of ISIS fighters from Canada, but yet the Islamic Centre on 8th ave still hasn't been shut down. Hmm yes if we shut down the mosques there will stop being terrorists.
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Dr. Stab posted:Hmm yes if we shut down the mosques there will stop being terrorists. Instead we'll just let the ISIS factory churn out fighters because being nice is the canadian way.
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Do it ironically posted:Instead we'll just let the ISIS factory churn out fighters because being nice is the canadian way. "Actually Mr. ISIS, people are pretty cool here and treat me well, this North American lifestyle is pretty awesome, and my taxes are going towards providing emergency assistance to people in need in that poo poo desert my parents ran from, so no I don't think I'll be buying my own plane ticket to come over there or strapping a bomb to my chest here wtf haha" But no, let's keep bombing terrorists and killing the friends and families of Canadians, that will make them chill and happy like ^^^
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How many of the alleged sleeper agents within the yet unchosen 25 000 do you think would just say "Forget that poo poo!" as soon as they got on the plane to Canada?
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Do it ironically posted:Instead we'll just let the ISIS factory churn out fighters because being nice is the canadian way. Do you believe that shutting down mosques will A. Increase terrorism or B. Decrease terrorism ?
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Shutting down a known islamic centre that is radicalizing canadians to go over and fight for ISIS will most likely help in letting these senior people doing the radicalizing know that that's not ok in our country, to answer your false dichotomy
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Taking a page from that terrible mid-2000s Christian Bale movie, the Trudeau Liberals announce that all New Canadians and refugees with be forced to take mandatory tokes of BC bud throughout the day to keep them passive and docile.
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Do it ironically posted:Instead we'll just let the ISIS factory churn out fighters because being nice is the canadian way. I'd like to report you for barbaric cultural practices.
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Do it ironically posted:Shutting down a known islamic centre that is radicalizing canadians to go over and fight for ISIS will most likely help in letting these senior people doing the radicalizing know that that's not ok in our country, to answer your false dichotomy How is it known that this islamic centre is radicalizing canadians? What is this islamic centre doing that warrants being shut down?
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Dr. Stab posted:How is it known that this islamic centre is radicalizing canadians? What is this islamic centre doing that warrants being shut down? http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-brothers-killed-while-fighting-for-isis-1.2162041 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/farah-mohamed-shirdon-of-calgary-fighting-for-islamic-state-of-iraq-and-syria-1.2680206
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Do it ironically posted:http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-brothers-killed-while-fighting-for-isis-1.2162041 Again, how is the mosque responsible? What would shutting it down accomplish?
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