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Errant Gin Monks posted:Yes but a 15% played modern deck that requires another grand in other cards vs a deck that costs 60 bucks plus 4 ugins in standard will allow it to drop back to 20ish dollars after rotation. Standard is driving the price up right now. Which is fine it's a great card but it's nowhere near Karn and he is 30 bucks. Ugin is a fantastic deal at 20 bucks. At 40 he is a standard blip because of GR Eldrazi. So you're saying to get rid of him now. Okay.
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I got a Liliana of the Veil at the Dark Ascension pre-release and have held onto it ever since. Last time I looked, she was priced at around $40, and now its $94? How did it get so high?
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Lobsterpillar posted:I got a Liliana of the Veil at the Dark Ascension pre-release and have held onto it ever since. Last time I looked, she was priced at around $40, and now its $94? It's really really good and hasn't been printed much since then
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Nov 15, 2015 07:53
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Lobsterpillar posted:I got a Liliana of the Veil at the Dark Ascension pre-release and have held onto it ever since. Last time I looked, she was priced at around $40, and now its $94? She's either the second or third best Planeswalker ever printed, and the best non-blue Planeswalker by a country mile. She's also the cornerstone of both Modern and Legacy archetypes, and there's no real replacement for her.
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Nov 15, 2015 08:35
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Niton posted:She's either the second or third best Planeswalker ever printed, and the best non-blue Planeswalker by a country mile. She's also the cornerstone of both Modern and Legacy archetypes, and there's no real replacement for her. I'm kind of curious what you think the 2nd would even be if not Lili. New Jace?
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Nov 15, 2015 08:43
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Jace, Jace, Lili, Karn, Tezz is the top five, though you could argue about the order a bit.
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The Shortest Path posted:Jace, Jace, Lili, Karn, Tezz is the top five, though you could argue about the order a bit. No Elspeth Knight-Errant? Or is she just outclassed by new Gideon now for best white walker?
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suicidesteve posted:I'm kind of curious what you think the 2nd would even be if not Lili. New Jace? Yeah, Top 3 (to me) is JTMS, Flip Jace and Liliana in some order. I haven't been 100% convinced that JTMS was #1 in a long time, despite his well-deserved reputation as such. Niton fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Nov 15, 2015 |
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Nov 15, 2015 09:33
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Also note Dack Fayden, the most played vintage walker and the greatest thief in the multiverse
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Nov 15, 2015 09:58
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suicidesteve posted:Interestingly enough when there's one good card in a set that card is expensive. Especially when it's a mythic. Forgetting Mentor, Soulfire Grand Master and Tasigur?
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Nov 15, 2015 11:07
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LSV's deck isn't great, sure, but it's got sixteen creatures, some removal spells and some card draw. Even with a mediocre pool that's a good backbone for a deck.
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Nov 15, 2015 11:35
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CountFosco posted:LSV's deck isn't great, sure, but it's got sixteen creatures, some removal spells and some card draw. Even with a mediocre pool that's a good backbone for a deck. Saying it has 16 creatures is incredibly generous - it's a 3 color deck that still has to play multiple Blisterpods, Vampiric Rites, Void Winnower, and more 4CMC+ removal spells than you'd really like to be playing. When that's the best you can do off of 3 colors of mana, your pool is Not Good.
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Nov 15, 2015 11:57
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Logicblade posted:No Elspeth Knight-Errant? Or is she just outclassed by new Gideon now for best white walker? None of the white walkers are anywhere near top 5 lol
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Nov 15, 2015 15:18
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mandatory lesbian posted:None of the white walkers are anywhere near top 5 lol Stoneforge mystic is the honorary white walker and surprise surprise isn't as good as DRS, a BG one.
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Nov 15, 2015 15:22
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Finkel on the draft whitelist I see.
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Nov 15, 2015 15:36
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We can start talking about top tier white planeswalkers when they attach a wrath or even pseudo balance to the down tick.
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Nov 15, 2015 15:37
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Ramos posted:We can start talking about top tier white planeswalkers when they attach a wrath or even pseudo balance to the down tick. Elspeth Sun's Champion had what is probably the best wrath on a down tick you're going to get. You could get variants on it like Ugin's but your aren't going to see an unconditional wrath unless its a 5cmc planeswalker and the wrath outright kills it.
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Nov 15, 2015 15:41
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Gerry T taking Rot Shambler over Deathless Behemoth??
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A friend of mine went 9-0 at GP Atlanta, I'm pretty excited for him! I hope he does well in the draft portion as well.
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mandatory lesbian posted:None of the white walkers are anywhere near top 5 lol white walkers are game of thrones, not mtg
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Nov 15, 2015 18:19
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Logicblade posted:No Elspeth Knight-Errant? Or is she just outclassed by new Gideon now for best white walker? I think it's more of those are the only walkers that see the most Eternal Play. Jace, Vryn's Prodigy is played in every format except maybe Vintage. Liliana of the Veil is played in Modern and Legacy Jace, the Mind Sculptor is The Best Walker Ever Printed, played wherever legal. Karn is how RG Tron in modern wins games, or at least, puts them in unlosable positions. Tezzeret is in a legacy deck called "Tezzerator".
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Nov 15, 2015 18:31
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Count Bleck posted:Jace, Vryn's Prodigy is played in every format except maybe Vintage. It's played in the Mentor decks and a lot of the Delver decks. I don't think it is in the Big Blue tinker decks since you have lots of other stuff going on in there. Flashbacking an ancestral or a gush is pretty gas
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Nov 15, 2015 18:37
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EKE was considered the number 2 walker for a very long time, but her home(GWx Knight decks) isn't good currently.
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Nov 15, 2015 18:54
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Asking "what's the best Planeswalker" is a loaded question because it depends on a lot of things. A lot of the reasons to run any of them depends on other cards and whether they're legal, or they're JTMS and banned themselves in at least one format.
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Nov 15, 2015 19:33
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The fact that Elspeth, Sun's Champion and Gideon Ally of Zendikar are insane in their standards shouldn't be irrelevant either.
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Nov 15, 2015 19:44
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OG Gideon is still my favorite.
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Nov 15, 2015 20:05
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Can someone explain the Rattleclaw Mystic in one of the Abzan top 8 decks? http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpbru15/top-8-decklists-2015-11-15 quote:Planeswalker (4) His profile says it was to crush the abzan mirror e:oh and it's a 61 card deck  (unless there's a mistake)
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Rinkles posted:Can someone explain the Rattleclaw Mystic in one of the Abzan top 8 decks? It's a ramp creature that lets him exert influence for X=4 or X=5 easier, as well as T3 Gideon/Rhino (lol) or T4 Wingmate. It's also a minor color-fixer, since you can cast & flip it even if you're stuck off of green. e: Think of it as Leaf Gilder with Morph, that can potentially ramp you for 2 or help color fix for your splashes Niton fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Nov 15, 2015 |
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Nov 15, 2015 21:35
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Niton posted:It's a ramp creature that lets him exert influence for X=4 or X=5 easier, as well as T3 Gideon/Rhino (lol) or T4 Wingmate. It's also a minor color-fixer, since you can cast & flip it even if you're stuck off of green. I realized it made Exert easier to cast but didn't consider it pumping the converge as well. Still, a two mana ramper in a fairly aggressive deck seems weird to me.
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Nov 15, 2015 21:39
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I think Rattleclaw was in aggressive lists quite a bit before rotation. Helping you to deploy a threat a turn early while also hitting for 2 isn't bad.
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Angry Grimace posted:Asking "what's the best Planeswalker" is a loaded question because it depends on a lot of things. A lot of the reasons to run any of them depends on other cards and whether they're legal, or they're JTMS and banned themselves in at least one format. So basically that JTMS and LoTV are the best planeswalkers. Because the only decks in their colors without them have their A-game be turns 2-5 as "pop wasteland, swing with delver".
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Nov 15, 2015 21:47
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Sam Black's Top 8 draft is completely insane. BUG Nonsense, featuring Desolation Twin and Part the Waterveil
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Meanwhile, Owen just has a good U/R deck with two Herald of Kozilek to go with his Serpentine Spike.
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Hellsau posted:Meanwhile, Owen just has a good U/R deck with two Herald of Kozilek to go with his Serpentine Spike. loving yawn town. I want to see an Awakened Part the Waterveil, not some "casting creatures on curve" and "using removal" nerd poo poo
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Count Bleck posted:Karn is how RG Tron in modern wins games, or at least, puts them in unlosable positions. RG Tron also uses Ugrin now days. He and Karn are fairly interchangeable depending on what you need access to.
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Gridlocked posted:RG Tron also uses Ugrin now days. He and Karn are fairly interchangeable depending on what you need access to. They aren't interchangeable. There are some decks that Karn is awful against and those are the ones Ugin is great against. They are best pals.
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mcmagic posted:They aren't interchangeable. There are some decks that Karn is awful against and those are the ones Ugin is great against. They are best pals.
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Nov 16, 2015 02:01
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I really hope Turtenwald doesn't win.
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Nov 16, 2015 02:14
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Errant Gin Monks posted:I really hope Turtenwald doesn't win. Same except the opposite.
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Turtenwald v Martell Whoever wins, we lose
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