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Zombies' Downfall posted:I still think some of your criticism is coming from weird notions about what you think the game is trying to do and failing at, and in some cases is just based on a false premise; that the relationship between you (Gary) the player, the player character, and the first fallen child you named is muddled and unclear isn't sloppy writing, it's deliberate and serves both the meta crap the game is doing and the weird supernatural horror element of the plot that's exposed when you start overturning stuff. I can't remember saying that I thought that stuff was sloppy writing. Can you clarify what I said that you're referring to? Most things related to writing in Undertale I can get behind. I just don't like the conflict resolution mechanics in multiple ways, from difficulty, to accessibility, to feedback, to tedium and I disliked them enough to where I don't think it's a very good game.
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did somebody say one of the next WOFF episodes was Fallout 3 or did I imagine it
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MinibarMatchman posted:did somebody say one of the next WOFF episodes was Fallout 3 or did I imagine it Next is Castlevania, then Thief Deadly Shadows, then Rocket Slime THEN Fallout 3.
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Nov 16, 2015 03:00
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I'd be excited if Fallout 3 wasn't a game goons get weird about. On the other hand, Rocket Slime.
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Nov 16, 2015 04:07
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I'd be excited if Fallout 3 wasn't a game goons get weird about. Goons can get overly aggressive about Bethesda games, but there's nothing weird about pointing out how hosed up and poorly designed that game is in hindsight, especially considering how much better New Vegas was. Even Fallout 4 does a good job of highlighting its issues. Much like Oblivion its flaws are so massive that it's really difficult to try and place it in the right context of its time, because back then they did not stand out anywhere near as much as they do today. Both those games have aged astoundingly quickly.
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Nov 16, 2015 04:33
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I hated skyrim so I have a good baseline for fallout 3 even though I caned it. Since fallout 3 I haven't completed a Bethesda game.
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Nov 16, 2015 04:42
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Listening to the WOFF about System Shock, and the part where they talk about how it's double-lonely because the only other living voice hates you made me realize how much I want an episode on The Void. Nothing I've played does lonely blasted desperation like The Void, and it has a full cast of characters. The thing is, if you're going to choose one Ice-Pick lodge game to to it'd have to be Pathologic, right? Maybe next Halloween. I could see an Abject Suffering on Knock-Knock, because that game is opaque as hell and relatively short. Can't be worse than mountain biking. The main problem I have with Ice Pick's oeuvre is they're all excellent pieces of art but they're not always fun to actually play so I think people making podcasts on them might be one of the better avenues of experience.
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Nov 16, 2015 04:43
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I actually think The Void is a more interesting game than Pathologic is, if only because of how much more weird and insanely creative it is. The brothers are some of the most inspired character designs of the last decade at least.
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NmareBfly posted:The main problem I have with Ice Pick's oeuvre is they're all excellent pieces of art but they're not always fun to actually play so I think people making podcasts on them might be one of the better avenues of experience. This is how I feel about Rail Slave Games. So I submitted more than a few of their games to Abject Suffering.
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Nov 16, 2015 04:53
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Seconding The Void as probably a better introduction to Ice Pick Lodge. Would be cool to hear the woffboyz' take on it. The Pathologic remake isn't going to be out for a little while (though there's an HD retranslation already out, if anyone was just waiting for that) so if they do The Void and end up liking it they could go back to that a year or two later.
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Nov 16, 2015 09:18
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Only problem with The Void is that it's possible to reach an unwinnable state without understanding why. It's not a game that thrives on feedback although that's definitely part of the "experience."
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Nov 16, 2015 12:14
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al-azad posted:Only problem with The Void is that it's possible to reach an unwinnable state without understanding why. It's not a game that thrives on feedback although that's definitely part of the "experience." Same goes for Pathologic? Though I guess it's a bit easier to understand the why there.
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Hakkesshu posted:Goons can get overly aggressive about Bethesda games, but there's nothing weird about pointing out how hosed up and poorly designed that game is in hindsight, especially considering how much better New Vegas was. Even Fallout 4 does a good job of highlighting its issues. Much like Oblivion its flaws are so massive that it's really difficult to try and place it in the right context of its time, because back then they did not stand out anywhere near as much as they do today. Both those games have aged astoundingly quickly. Thanks for the demonstration.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Thanks for the demonstration. No thanks for being a douchebag
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Oh dear god why would you do a podcast about Deadly Shadows while ignoring the empirically better original duology!
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I think that while the first two Thieves are better games, Deadly Shadows is more interesting to talk about.
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Yup, sure is mighty interesting to talk about those cul-de-sac sized levels or that exquisite level design of dying as soon as you make contact with a body of water. Ah, who am I to argue, they'll squeeze a good 25 minutes out of the Cradle alone.
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Hakkesshu posted:Goons can get overly aggressive about Bethesda games, but there's nothing weird about pointing out how hosed up and poorly designed that game is in hindsight Part of why I'm enjoying Fallout 4 as much as I am is that it seems like they learned from a lot of Fallout 3's mistakes. Boston isn't full of foot high rubble you can't jump over and quest destinations you can only access by running through two (poorly indicated) subway tunnels on the way, for example. If Fallout 4's dialogue were overhauled to be more clear (the choice to do the shorthand stuff is a poor one in the context of a game this size, because it's inevitable that many of the choices are going to end up being confusing and unclear) and better implement Charisma and maybe other kinds of SPECIAL checks it would easily be my favorite of the 3D Fallouts. People give New Vegas a lot of leeway for bad gameplay and system instability (much of which is copy-pasted from Fallout 3) because of a story and characters that aren't particularly special or interesting.
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Is the Void the one that's almost entirely about colored orbs? Nick did a livestream of it at some point and I couldn't play due to my stupid eyes. Also: In your face Viv, I'm really enjoying Fallout 4.
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Nov 16, 2015 21:26
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Can someone roast me for one of my controversial video game opinions? I know this wasn't Gary's intent but I'm jealous of all the attention he's getting 
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Nov 16, 2015 21:37
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You don't even like animes and yet you review them anyway how's that ethics. https://vine.co/v/eI259eeVEw3
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Anime isn't real, Bob. You'll never be as strong as Goku.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:59
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bobservo posted:Can someone roast me for one of my controversial video game opinions? I know this wasn't Gary's intent but I'm jealous of all the attention he's getting Kinda hard to roast you for just one of your bad opinions.
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Nov 16, 2015 23:48
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bobservo posted:Can someone roast me for one of my controversial video game opinions? I know this wasn't Gary's intent but I'm jealous of all the attention he's getting Yoshi's Woolly World is at least a 4/5 you piece of poo poo
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Nov 16, 2015 23:51
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bobservo posted:Can someone roast me for one of my controversial video game opinions? I know this wasn't Gary's intent but I'm jealous of all the attention he's getting Well what are they? If you were to say, for example, Super Mario World (or Super Mario World 2) is a bad game, I'll be happy to get outraged. I can only assume that isn't true though because what type of loser doesn't like Super Mario World? Despite Gary apparently being hilariously bad at dodging white dots arranged in simplistic patterns, he (and Kole) get a lifetime pass from me for I swear being the only Dark Souls fans besides me that think Dark Souls 2 is actually a really good game. It will never cease to amaze me just how many people think some random elevator connection is a game ruining atrocity that shall never be forgiven or ignored.
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Austin Walker of Giant Bomb prefers Dark Souls 2 over 1 (because he prefers games that are different, and DS1 was too similar to Demon Souls in comparison)
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So It Goes posted:Well what are they? If you were to say, for example, Super Mario World (or Super Mario World 2) is a bad game, I'll be happy to get outraged. I can only assume that isn't true though because what type of loser doesn't like Super Mario World? Dark Souls 2 is one of those games where people were legit angry that it was "just" a great game, instead of a magical wonder factory that took you away to a land of happiness. The worst part was when some dude interviewed Miyazaki and confused him with statements about how Dark Souls 3 needed to have "That Miyazaki Touch"
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Dark Souls 2 is one of those games where people were legit angry that it was "just" a great game, instead of a magical wonder factory that took you away to a land of happiness. The "Miyazaki Touch" stuff is such utter, reductive nonsense. Bloodborne is missing TONS of what made Dark Souls 1 so special and Miyazaki was at the helm. Game production is too complicated for people to really understand. It's weirdly incomprehensible for some people that things they liked in a game might have been the product of an entire team or of someone they've never heard of.
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bobservo posted:Can someone roast me for one of my controversial video game opinions? I know this wasn't Gary's intent but I'm jealous of all the attention he's getting As a mostly-unironic Kingdom Hearts fan we will someday have to have words. I will passive-aggressively buy you a pint of Shock Top and lay into you.
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Ash Lake is basically just the end of Kingdom Hearts 1. *drops mic*
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Ash Lake is basically just the end of Kingdom Hearts 1. *drops mic* I say this like there is a person on earth that this statement will drive into an apoplectic rage.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Ash Lake is basically just the end of Kingdom Hearts 1. *drops mic* Oh, that's a Dark Souls thing. Nah, I get that kinda criticism, the "lore" of KH is super generic. My fiancée was trying to explain WoW lore to me once and all I could think was "this is Birth by Sleep, that's the one who goes evil, and that's the one who conveniently vanishes, and..."
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Ansem is _____
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END ME SCOOB posted:Oh, that's a Dark Souls thing. Nah, I get that kinda criticism, the "lore" of KH is super generic. My fiancée was trying to explain WoW lore to me once and all I could think was "this is Birth by Sleep, that's the one who goes evil, and that's the one who conveniently vanishes, and..." Kingdom Hearts came before Dark Souls though.
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In the history of dumb anime games Kingdom Hearts is quite possibly the single dumbest franchise of all and I appreciate that about it.
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bobservo posted:Can someone roast me for one of my controversial video game opinions? I know this wasn't Gary's intent but I'm jealous of all the attention he's getting So what are your most controversial gaming opinions? 
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Nov 17, 2015 01:39
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bobservo posted:Can someone roast me for one of my controversial video game opinions? I know this wasn't Gary's intent but I'm jealous of all the attention he's getting I'm going through Retronauts Live and I agree that Beau Bridges' character in The Wizard was violent and an awful parent
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Woffle posted:Bloodborne is missing TONS of what made Dark Souls 1 so special you just don't quit these days DO YOU FuriousGeorge posted:So what are your most controversial gaming opinions? can everybody do this or just bob?
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My most controversial opinion is that Bloodborne is better than Dark Souls
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Dark souls 2 was worse than 1 because it wasn't your first time playing a souls game (demon souls is for loser nerds)
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