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Holyshoot posted:How do I make my gather retainer bring back more then 1 hq rue? Hes got the hq 60 botanist weapon and hq off hand and then the blue scrip left side. And lovely low level right side gathering gear. They need more perception.
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I just found my 1.0 Legacy character after looking through my character list. He's apparently on Ragnarok, and is a 21 GLA/8 CNJ/6 THM. He also apparently has eight levels in CPN and 10 in CUL. Plus I got all of my (crappy) 1.0 gear, including the skirts that DoWs had at the time and GLA's daggers. And since I was last logged out as a CNJ at him, he started off in Gridania having to do all the basic quests all over again, hah. I'd be almost tempted to just transfer my main over.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Samba I'm just curious if your read is the same as mine: my take is that the chief failing of the economy right now where crafters are concerned is lack of demand. Crafters basically don't have anything to make that people really want at the high end, not even for themselves. The top of the line crafting gear for example offers very little meaningful advantage because what are you going to make with it that you weren't already making with Delineation spam? Sorry just now seeing this since I don't check the forums over the weekend. This is one of the bigger aspects of why the economy is so hosed right now for sure. There's plenty of items that had high "demand" like titanium nuggets or adamantite nuggets, but those demands don't come from people needing gear made from those items or from consumables or anything that a player would actually want to buy for a good reason. Most of the "demand" right now comes from people doing red scripts, being too lazy to gather a mat because they're a pain in the rear end, or just simply because the recipes that ARE remotely useful all require relatively similar mats. There's so many dead materials in HW and many of the materials that aren't are used in too many items. For instance both of the commonly turned in red script items for ALC, Noble Codex and Noble Gold, keep aurum regis sand, aurum regis nuggets, and enchanted aurum regis ink alive because they all require those materials for some reason. Many items require materials that should be better spread out. Leather and Weaving materials were originally much higher during 3.0 when glamouring and gearing was big because it was all fresh, but now the money is centralized in competitive markets over the highly demanded materials like nuggets or sands because EVERYTHING requires them. Even if it doesn't make sense. Pews posted:luckily i just make enough money IRL so I can just buy gil whenever i need some You're the real winner here 
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Nov 16, 2015 15:54
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Anyone doing Diadem runs on a regular schedule, or just pugging it?
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Nov 16, 2015 17:15
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more like dICK posted:Anyone doing Diadem runs on a regular schedule, or just pugging it? Emalde posted:GOON DIADEM LINKSHELL IS NOW FULL please refer anybody and yourselves and all other relevant parties to the discord chat
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Nov 16, 2015 17:17
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more like dICK posted:Anyone doing Diadem runs on a regular schedule, or just pugging it? There's a post on the previous page that should help you, friend e: beaten drat
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Nov 16, 2015 17:18
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Im like 8000 posts behind, ty 
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Nov 16, 2015 17:19
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Nov 16, 2015 17:23
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If I just wanted to farm for a Pegasus and then abandon the Diadem forever, would it be faster to farm easy mode with a like minded party and rapidly kill rank 1s for chests, or would it still be faster in normal/hard just due to having everybody in one spot slaughtering everything factory style?
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Captain Oblivious posted:Samba I'm just curious if your read is the same as mine: my take is that the chief failing of the economy right now where crafters are concerned is lack of demand. Crafters basically don't have anything to make that people really want at the high end, not even for themselves. The top of the line crafting gear for example offers very little meaningful advantage because what are you going to make with it that you weren't already making with Delineation spam? Pretty much what you and Samba said. There's an entire tier of DoH/DoL gear that is incredibly expensive, requires an already very expensive set of melded gear in order for you merely be able to craft and is one hundred percent useless because there is nothing in the game that requires anything remotely close to it. You also cannot use it as glamour, which is downright criminal because these are some of the best looking sets in the whole game. The height of crafting leveling gear would be on HW release, but crafted gear is equivalent to gear that you can get from quests, so it's useless. So the starting price is very low already, and by the time people are leveling alts the market will only have crashed further, which is what happened. So leveling gear is entirely useless, endgame DoH/DoL gear is entirely useless. We had a DoW/DoM set that was also completely and utterly useless since it didn't even have a unique appearance for glamouring, and now we have Sky Pirate which is the closest thing to "useful" if you count it for glamour. Also every patch since (and including) HW's release the DoH balance is messed up. BSM had a grand total of one specialist recipe that is a housing furniture and an ingot. It's bad. SwissArmyDruid posted:You guys look too hard at the high end, and not enough at the entire market. I tell you the truth, I've made 2 mil since Tuesday morning. I haven't been able to keep my glamour crystals in stock, because they keep selling out, with people wanting to reglamour their old stuff over their new Diadem poo poo, or their new Bloodborne gear over their existing crap. Some of us prefer the high end because we want to do these big budget items for fun, because this way we have to spend less time micro-managing items, or both. Also, it feels pretty drat satisfying to sell a 10m+ item.
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Thundarr posted:If I just wanted to farm for a Pegasus and then abandon the Diadem forever, would it be faster to farm easy mode with a like minded party and rapidly kill rank 1s for chests, or would it still be faster in normal/hard just due to having everybody in one spot slaughtering everything factory style? Farm Easy mode, AFAIK every single monster will at least drop a bronze with one 150 item in it even on Easy, but I've never actually touched easy myself so I can't say with 100% certainty (logically this would make the most sense though). In 3.2 if nothing changes re: diadem, this will also hold true for farming for Materia to infuse with.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:You guys look too hard at the high end, and not enough at the entire market. I tell you the truth, I've made 2 mil since Tuesday morning. I haven't been able to keep my glamour crystals in stock, because they keep selling out, with people wanting to reglamour their old stuff over their new Diadem poo poo, or their new Bloodborne gear over their existing crap. I can't believe I missed the retard who lists poo poo for like a third of the price he could actually get for no reason bragging about his income.
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Has anyone had luck on pugging regular mode Diadem consistently? I imagine things will get smoother as people have more exposure to the content, but in my experience queue times/not dying is still a pretty persistent issue on the 3.1 content.
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megalodong posted:Who plays using the "legacy" movement system (you face the direction you push, as opposed to backpedelling/sidestepping etc.)? I read a lot of people saying it's better for moving out of aoe effects etc. because you can just hit back instead of swinging the camera 90 degrees and sidestepping out, but i don't know how much of that is people just being used to it or people having never played any other mmo where you control the camera with the mouse or something. I never played XI or any other MMO really. For me it's because not using legacy means I've got one potential escape direction where I only move half speed. Vil posted:I don't, though my main concern with it would be missing autoattacks. You autoface for autoattacks unless you turn it off like some people did for Melusine before it was nerfed. Fonjo posted:Anyone having any problems with Guildwork? Mine was working yesterday after reinstalling it but today it was gone. When I try to reinstall it, it just acts like it is loading and then... nothing. I usually just leave it alone and it comes back.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:59
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All I have to say re: market board and sales is it's dumb to discuss how much or how little you make and/or what market you're in. Nobody's the winner and we all look dumb in the end for making or spending internet bucks by speculating or commenting on supply and demand in Dress-Up Dragon-Slayer XIV.
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Samba De Amigo posted:All I have to say re: market board and sales is it's dumb to discuss how much or how little you make and/or what market you're in. I don't know, you could probably get an academic paper or two out of the economics of an MMO.
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Nov 16, 2015 20:36
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Samba De Amigo posted:All I have to say re: market board and sales is it's dumb to discuss how much or how little you make and/or what market you're in. "gil is pointless" says local market baron sitting on 200+ mil in his wallet
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Nov 16, 2015 21:32
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bard-parkeromycin posted:Has anyone had luck on pugging regular mode Diadem consistently? I imagine things will get smoother as people have more exposure to the content, but in my experience queue times/not dying is still a pretty persistent issue on the 3.1 content. Do not run normal for gear unless you want a 1/8 chance at getting an i210 item, whether it has poo poo stats or not. They can and will greed roll on everything and that includes i210 gear with good stats in the rare cases when it appears. Just poke around for a goon group and run Hard instead unless you just want to Harvest/Fish in the area. Kwyndig posted:I don't know, you could probably get an academic paper or two out of the economics of an MMO. See: EVE Online.
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Eej posted:"gil is pointless" says local market baron sitting on 200+ mil in his wallet I'M OWNED
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Nov 16, 2015 21:46
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Send TPT a Kingly Whisker so we can upgrade our dang mailbox 
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Now that kingly whiskers can drop in undersized parties, we should form a group to farm mog ex for a while. I'd like a kingly whisker for the AST globe.
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I enjoy making gil for the sake of making gil because I probably have undiagnosed mental issues, but yeah, DoH/DoL are in a bad place right now, and it feels like SE doesn't really care enough to create a viable, entertaining system.
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The guy in charge of DoH/DoL design is the same guy who spent 10 years managing FFXI's economy and constantly careening from one poorly-conceived disaster to the next, so I really don't think there's any hope of it getting better until he's fired
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I would literally kill a baby to get the market board changed to buy/sell orders.
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One major area in which the market is hosed (at least on Excalibur) is with regard to HQ items, especially crafting components and raw materials. It's the fault of idiot players more than the fault of the devs. 90% of raw maw materials and crafting goods have their HQ versions being sold at the same price as NQ. I think this happens because naturally if you sell HQ at a slightly higher price, they will sell slower. Then what happens is that people who are not involved in crafting/gathering/playing the market are getting their hands on these goods and just trying to offload them as quickly as possible. Then 5 other people come in and undercut and the HQ is forced down to the price of NQ.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:38
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The pure free market economy clearly isn't working. Because I am making some money but not as much as I feel I should.
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Pews posted:The pure free market economy clearly isn't working. Because I am making some money but not as much as I feel I should. Thanks for that (wrong) take on things. It's more that why should I be assed to worry about crafting/gathering HQ items if they aren't actually going to sell for more than the NQ. When HQ bring in greater profit than NQ, then people are encouraged to actually invest in better gear and learn how to properly use crafting rotations. With the current state of the market, I'm encouraged only to get my gear to the base craftsmanship/control I need to be allowed to craft the item and then mash careful synthesis until the item is crafted. No point in putting in more effort than that since it won't benefit me any.
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current gear already lets you brute force the majority of stuff worth making, why would I waste money on artisan hand-crafted nuggets or whatever? not every problem in the game is caused by some ~loving pubbie~ undercutting you
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At this point in time, most HQ material isn't worth buying because either it's unnecessary to guarantee that the final product is HQ, or the final product itself doesn't need to be HQ (or can't be HQ)
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YES bread posted:current gear already lets you brute force the majority of stuff worth making, why would I waste money on artisan hand-crafted nuggets or whatever? not every problem in the game is caused by some ~loving pubbie~ undercutting you So why even have HQ items if they aren't going to be more of a challenge to create/obtain and have greater value?
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Nov 16, 2015 22:57
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Why would you bother HQing gear that only exists for glamours anyway? I mean, that is what high end crafting is for, right, creating gear for glamours? Ultimately most of the stuff I put up on the marketboard is stuff I'm trying to get rid of, and as long as I can get more than I can vendor it for, I don't care what the market price is - what I really want is more inventory room, not to make money.
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Xenoveritas posted:Why would you bother HQing gear that only exists for glamours anyway? This is part of my point. What is the nature of HQ anymore? Why should we care about HQ? It's part of the whole crafting problem. There's no market for HQ finished products and thus the market for HQ raw goods and components has collapsed.
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Mordiceius posted:So why even have HQ items if they aren't going to be more of a challenge to create/obtain and have greater value? They do have greater value, but only when crafters simultaneously need to HQ things and don't have the stats to HQ things without using HQ material. Neither of those are true currently
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the problem, that people have been discussing, is that the devs just dropped the ball and stuffs all hosed up. this has nothing to do with undercuts on the market or whatever. everything unique you can gather from diadem is already pretty much worthless, including the materia since there is nothing you need it to help craft/gather
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What do you guys think would be the solution to all this? The current system seems hosed, but the 2.x system didn't seem perfect either because it seemed (as someone who didn't really participate much in crafting/gathering in 2.x) like it was far too demanding and required insane investments.
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Remove crafting and gathering from the game Keep fishing though
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Mordiceius posted:What do you guys think would be the solution to all this? The current system seems hosed, but the 2.x system didn't seem perfect either because it seemed (as someone who didn't really participate much in crafting/gathering in 2.x) like it was far too demanding and required insane investments. For starters, don't devalue all of the new crafting & gathered materials by putting them in maps from day 1 of the expansion's release. Also, don't gate everything useful behind both crafter and gatherer weekly tokens - gathering tokens should directly provide the materials needed, and crafting tokens should provide crafting gear, easier chance to HQ for specialization, or other QoL stuff. Niton fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Nov 16, 2015 |
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cheetah7071 posted:Remove crafting and gathering from every MMO
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This is like the wow goldmaking thread where every post is someone complaining about people undercutting and not either bothering to buy out the cheaper stuff, selling the materials instead, or simply realising they are being owned by ~*pubbies*~
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