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re: refugee status and free passage between states: Thanks y'all, time to pull an Honest Abe on my Idiot-American acquaintances.
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Fried Chicken posted:http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/11/16/3722628/no-state-governors-cant-refuse-to-accept-syrian-refugees/ It's the same poo poo with immigration. State politicians are powerless to address this extremely hot button issue and they want in on the game so they start doing things that are either redundant, illegal or useless so they can get ink and look tough on Whatever because probably most voters could give a poo poo about state politics.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:05
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Dapper_Swindler posted:thats whats hosed, its the banality of it. Those civilians are real people. not loving NPCs that make your score go down in a video game. people with families and stuff. gently caress cruz. And much of his base won't think twice about it because they honestly believe that all Muslims are terrorists anyway, so what even is a Muslim "civilian" to them? So yeah, gently caress Cruz.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:06
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Senf posted:And much of his base won't think twice about it because they honestly believe that all Muslims are terrorists anyway, so what even is a Muslim "civilian" to them? yeah. I mean i am fine with hitting dudes with guns/arms/terrorists with drone strikes as long as it has all the proper over-site and keeps civilian casualties minimal. but cruz basically wants to do away with ROE completely. thats what makes of us somewhat better then ISIS/russia/assad/israel. we dont just blow up civvies because they are in the way. I mean we do, but its usually a massive gently caress up on our part/ or some nutjob who lost his poo poo.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:11
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Talmonis posted:Bigotry did not come into the quoted statement that I responded to. Bigotry is unacceptable, and is what is going to happen when more innocent people are massacred. What radbot did was compare it to auto accidents and mock anyone who worries about Paris happening here as "quivering cowards." It's macho bullshit, and you can gently caress right off with it. The quivering cowards are the people willing to throw away what makes them French (or American) to try (and fail) to exterminate a religion/ideology. I don't think it's particularly macho to say "maybe we shouldn't go to war in the Middle East again, and relinquish our civil liberties, over what a few assholes did.", though it's telling that you do.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:12
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Dapper_Swindler posted:wow, what exactly were they protesting? Reminds me of this quote: quote:The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation'
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Nov 16, 2015 22:17
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Fried Chicken posted:But who would build such a device, something able to keep time for clearly terrorist ends... My god. gently caress, where's that kid from Texas? oh god oh god
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Nov 16, 2015 22:19
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Accretionist posted:Reminds me of this quote: no poo poo, But i am honestly curious what were they protesting? did the college library have bigoted policies? because all its done so far is making me think less of them. which probably makes me sound like a dickhead.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:21
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Dapper_Swindler posted:no poo poo, But i am honestly curious what were they protesting? did the college library have bigoted policies? because all its done so far is making me think less of them. which probably makes me sound like a dickhead. it's from the "college conservative newspaper" so it probably never happened
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Nov 16, 2015 22:22
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Huge piece of poo poo literally says 'awesome' to 9/11, but realizes that's hosed up when an actress she likes dies.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:23
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Nathan Deal wrote a letter to Obama saying GA won't accept them either. I hate this state sometimes. http://news.wabe.org/post/gov-nathan-deal-georgia-wont-take-syrian-refugees
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Nov 16, 2015 22:23
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whitey delenda est posted:re: refugee status and free passage between states: I look forward to a "serious" right wing talking head calling for internal border controls. 
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Nov 16, 2015 22:24
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Luigi Thirty posted:it's from the "college conservative newspaper" so it probably never happened actualy it might have.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:26
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As a counter offer to the refugees, I've got a spare room with attached bathroom and in apartment full sized washer and dryer; No smoking (my rule) no pets (apt complex rules). Make half rent & utilities and it's yours until the lease is up.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:27
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Trabisnikof posted:I look forward to a "serious" right wing talking head calling for internal border controls. Well you see the Confederacy had an internal passport system and --
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Nov 16, 2015 22:27
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I'm marvelling at the disconnect between "If those Frenchmen just had some guns, they could blow all the terrorists away!" and "OH GOD NO TERRORISTS HERE NOPE."
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Trabisnikof posted:I look forward to a "serious" right wing talking head calling for internal border controls. Chris Christie's got you beat on that front already, wants all immigrants to be LoJacked.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:27
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Depose the House of Saud, in my opinion. We aren't nearly as dependent on their oil as we used to be.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:27
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJAuVQlLxD0 There's what, maybe a dozen protestors there? Clearly Higher Education Has Gone Mad!
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Nov 16, 2015 22:30
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JT Jag posted:Depose the House of Saud, in my opinion. We aren't nearly as dependent on their oil as we used to be. Yeah, we're supporting them so China can get most of their oil anyway.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:30
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:In other lighter news, let's check back in with collegechat, and why random white people in a library are practically the evilest people on earth: I'm glad someone is here to constantly remind us of who the real racists are. You're doing good work, my friend. D&D is too chickenshit to say the real truth: white people are the most persecuted in this country
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Nov 16, 2015 22:31
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Lessail posted:I'm glad someone is here to constantly remind us of who the real racists are. You're doing good work, my friend. D&D is too chickenshit to say the real truth: white people are the most persecuted in this country It's true, and as a white male the only protection I feel I have is to horde guns.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:32
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zoux posted:It's the same poo poo with immigration. State politicians are powerless to address this extremely hot button issue and they want in on the game so they start doing things that are either redundant, illegal or useless so they can get ink and look tough on Whatever because probably most voters could give a poo poo about state politics. Not only that but the US is party to ratified treaties regarding visa waivers. The law Rand Paul is pushing is, by definition, unconstitutional.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:33
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A Winner is Jew posted:It's true, and as a white male the only protection I feel I have is to horde guns. I fear for the response against the radicalized white male in the wake of these Paris attacks. Sadly, all white males are easily converted to radicalization 
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Nov 16, 2015 22:34
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There's a right-wing anti-immigration party in the Finnish government right now and they are using the exact same tactic these Republicans are: demand action that is blatantly unconstitutional, illegal or in violation of existing international treaties, and never make any substantive proposals to actually amend the constitution, the law, or said international treaties. Their policy proposals are nothing but incoherent screeching, but it's important because they need to be seen as doing something by their constituents, and the something needs to be completely out of the realm of possible so that it has no danger of actually happening, and they can accuse their opponents of obstructionism. This includes a purposeful misrepresentation of what the Dublin Treaty is, whether the constitution allows you to discriminate between people on their basis of immigration, accusing asylum seekers of being "illegal intruders" (when the law explicitly allows them to arrive without ID to seek asylum), and demanding border controls to "stem the tide of asylum seekers" when an asylum application can be made at the border on the spot. Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Nov 16, 2015 |
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Nov 16, 2015 22:37
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Mulva posted:The law Rand Paul is pushing is, by definition, unconstitutional. Nothing new there.
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drat, the turnaround on this new Vitter ad is insane. https://twitter.com/DavidVitter/status/666369451416092672 Anyway I think the messaging battle of "Syrian refugees =/= ISIS fighters" has already been lost.
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On that tack, would ISIS go so far as to time an attack during the election year to ensure a Republican wave and response?
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Nov 16, 2015 22:48
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Talmonis posted:On that tack, would ISIS go so far as to time an attack during the election year to ensure a Republican wave and response? I don't think that's a "go so far" issue as much as a "oh yeah that's definitely something they would do."
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Nov 16, 2015 22:50
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Talmonis posted:On that tack, would ISIS go so far as to time an attack during the election year to ensure a Republican wave and response? maybe. depends where they hit.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:50
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Republicans in Congress threaten government shutdown over refugee issue. Jesus loving christ.
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Didn't Bin Laden release a tape as an October surprise in 2004? It's simultaneously depressing and awe-inspiring to see how a bunch of men with guns can make grown men in charge of the most powerful country in the world quake in their boots.
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Talmonis posted:On that tack, would ISIS go so far as to time an attack during the election year to ensure a Republican wave and response? I don't understand. You mean you were expecting someone other than President Trump?
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zoux posted:Anyway I think the messaging battle of "Syrian refugees =/= ISIS fighters" has already been lost. I'm still a little stunned at how fast that happened. International Rescue Committee and UNHCR hosed that up royally (although since they, you know, actually provide services for refugees instead of relentlessly focusing on manipulating American public opinion, I've already forgiven them and then some).
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Combed Thunderclap posted:I'm still a little stunned at how fast that happened. International Rescue Committee and UNHCR hosed that up royally (although since they, you know, actually provide services for refugees instead of relentlessly focusing on manipulating American public opinion, I've already forgiven them and then some). Yeah, when it comes to the Republicans, that battle was lost long ago. This is a perfectly logical extension of their nativism and if anything I'm surprised they hadn't picked up on this line of rhetoric before, since it's old hat in the Old World by now. For once we get to export right-wing insanity to the US instead of importing it! It's still kind of baffling an event in France triggered this. It's almost like they were just waiting for the next appropriate attack to roll it out. Charlie Hebdo must have been too early with regards to the political cycle to use that.
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Obama's order to fly flags at half mast posted:IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this fifteenth day of November, in the year of our Lord two thousand fifteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and fortieth. I can't believe this has happened in TYOTIOTUSOA 240.
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Antti posted:Yeah, when it comes to the Republicans, that battle was lost long ago. This is a perfectly logical extension of their nativism and if anything I'm surprised they hadn't picked up on this line of rhetoric before, since it's old hat in the Old World by now. For once we get to export right-wing insanity to the US instead of importing it! The Dems have been trying for years to try to create proactive rather than reactive liberal PR machines but it's hard to counter the ultimate PR machine of actually holding offices. IRC posted this three hours ago on their Facebook, but it's going to be an uphill battle now that the Rs got themselves a sweet headline. Sad that they should have been thinking about launching a spin campaign after the Paris attacks, but as you said, nativism's been a top Republican talking point for years (also thanks a bunch Maggie Hassan).  EDIT: Especially sad and weird since the media's been covering how awful things are for refugees for months prior. So much for all that goodwill.
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mcmagic posted:I think Cruz just moved passed Huckabee on the "piece of poo poo human being" scale of GOP candidates. Nah, the Huckster already took that position in the first debate (~"The job of the military is to kill people and break stuff") so if anything, Cruz is just catching up
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whitey delenda est posted:This speaks pretty clearly to how unrealistic "zero tolerance" approaches are. 0.0003% of the population can have such an outsized influence on peoples' perception (because thousands of newspaper stories or Fox News pieces about how the vast, sweeping majority is succeeding in their new lives and integrating flawlessly with a multicultural society doesn't sell ad time) through such minimal effort that basically the problem becomes intractable. Ugh. I agree, the small minority of gun owners who use those guns for ill have such an outsized influence on peoples' perceptions of the average gun owner.
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In the continuing story of rolling back post-Bush progressivism because of Muslim terrorists: "[Edward Snowden] has blood on his hands." So expect more attacks on encryption in the next few years.
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