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Shaggar posted:r2 sticks his probe in every slot he can find.
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Nov 17, 2015 00:48
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it's really obvious this thread is full of nerdy dudes who don't interact with women who aren't their mum
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Nov 17, 2015 00:49
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Shaggar posted:r2 sticks his probe in every slot he can find. this too
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Nov 17, 2015 00:53
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painted bird posted:it's really obvious this thread is full of nerdy dudes who don't interact with women who aren't their mum what prompted this
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Nov 17, 2015 00:53
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the fact a non-human, ungendered tin can is assumed to be male by default is significant and examining the reasons behind it and a storyteller choosing to go against the forces that make said tin can being male be taken for granted are interesting topics but you people react with the equivalent of "ewwww cooties" when presented with anything, no matter how trivial, that challenges the assumption that white het dudes are the centre of the universe and the only ones who get to have opinions
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Nov 17, 2015 00:56
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gonna gently caress a gonk droid
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Nov 17, 2015 00:57
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painted bird posted:the fact a non-human, ungendered tin can is assumed to be male by default is significant and examining the reasons behind it and a storyteller choosing to go against the forces that make said tin can being male be taken for granted are interesting topics but you people react with the equivalent of "ewwww cooties" when presented with anything, no matter how trivial, that challenges the assumption that white het dudes are the centre of the universe and the only ones who get to have opinions ??? I was seriously discussing it. I didn't see anyone say "eww cooties" or even call it dumb, besides probably internaut who intended the empty share that way
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Nov 17, 2015 00:57
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basically idk that article might be dumb but "why does R2D2 have to be a dude" is not a dumb question at all
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Nov 17, 2015 00:58
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i'm a brown indian dude and i think genders for dumb robots are dumb
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Nov 17, 2015 00:58
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Dodoman posted:i'm a brown indian dude and i think genders for dumb robots are dumb oh so you don't think 3po is gendered then?
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Nov 17, 2015 00:58
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i am also dumb
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Nov 17, 2015 00:59
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Amethyst posted:??? well internaut posting it plus immediate descent into dick jokes is what triggered my response
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Nov 17, 2015 00:59
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painted bird posted:it's really obvious this thread is full of nerdy dudes who don't interact with women who aren't their mum painted bird posted:the fact a non-human, ungendered tin can is assumed to be male by default is significant and this is projection you can see from the moon
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Nov 17, 2015 00:59
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painted bird posted:well internaut posting it plus immediate descent into dick jokes is what triggered my response it was a reasonably funny dick joke. did you skip all my posts about gendered interactions?
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Nov 17, 2015 00:59
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imo the best thing about robots is you can basically weld whatever genitals you want right on there
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Nov 17, 2015 01:00
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Trig Discipline posted:imo the best thing about robots is you can basically weld whatever genitals you want right on there 
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Nov 17, 2015 01:01
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Amethyst posted:oh so you don't think 3po is gendered then? having a male VA doesn't suddenly make a sexless, genderless robot a male e; though after seeing that picture i might change my opinion
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Nov 17, 2015 01:03
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Dodoman posted:i'm a brown indian dude and i think genders for dumb robots are dumb you can't deny that we automatically gender both R2D2 and C3PO as dudes though i think gendering robots is dumb too but the discussion of why it happens is worthwhile also let's not derail by acting like either you or i are representative of the thread demographic
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Nov 17, 2015 01:04
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Amethyst posted:it was a reasonably funny dick joke. did you skip all my posts about gendered interactions? i saw them but i kinda assumed you were being sarcastic bc it's hard to tell on the internet but especially in YOSPOS
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Nov 17, 2015 01:05
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painted bird posted:you can't deny that we automatically gender both R2D2 and C3PO as dudes though I don't think gendering robots is dumb. it's actually a really interesting idea. a star trek ep explored the formation of gender identity when data created a child and refused to assign sexual characteristics until it could choose for itself
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Nov 17, 2015 01:05
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Internaut! posted:this is projection you can see from the moon i'm a mixed gay jew, you moron
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Nov 17, 2015 01:06
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painted bird posted:i saw them but i kinda assumed you were being sarcastic bc it's hard to tell on the internet but especially in YOSPOS have some faith in your internet friends, sometimes
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Nov 17, 2015 01:06
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till they gain sentience and choose to have a gender for themselves all we are doing is projecting our social/cultural norms onto something
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Nov 17, 2015 01:07
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the programmers that write the robots personalities undoubtedly have an impact, whether intended or not, on the perception of the robot's gender by other humans. So to say robots cant have a gender or, maybe more accurately, couldn't be perceived as having a gender is pretty silly as they are creations of man and all of our cultural inputs. the fact that probably 99% of people including the characters in the movie and the robots themselves refer to r2 and c3p0 with male pronouns would seem to validate this.
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Nov 17, 2015 01:08
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Dodoman posted:till they gain sentience and choose to have a gender for themselves all we are doing is projecting our social/cultural norms onto something the robots in star wars are clearly sentient
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Nov 17, 2015 01:08
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looks like someone got triggered by robodicks
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Nov 17, 2015 01:09
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anyway, this is why writing bb-8 as a female is a potentially cool idea
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Nov 17, 2015 01:09
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Hogge Wild posted:looks like someone got triggered by robodicks stfu
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Nov 17, 2015 01:09
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Amethyst posted:I don't think gendering robots is dumb. it's actually a really interesting idea. a star trek ep explored the formation of gender identity when data created a child and refused to assign sexual characteristics until it could choose for itself i meant gendering them without their input, because what the hell makes a beeping tin can on wheels "male" that we can see. i don't think any star wars droids get any say in being assumed male or close enough for government work, after all. it's an interesting topic to explore, i agree, but people get really weird around it
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Nov 17, 2015 01:10
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painted bird posted:i meant gendering them without their input, because what the hell makes a beeping tin can on wheels "male" that we can see. i don't think any star wars droids get any say in being assumed male or close enough for government work, after all. they get weird about it because it's not a discussion we have very often. re: the star wars droids, i think the droids not only are interacted with in a gendered way, I also believe it's made clear that the robots are comfortable with their gender identities self assigned or not.
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Nov 17, 2015 01:12
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painted bird posted:i'm a mixed gay jew, you moron ah well as a mixed gay jew who hangs around yospos the health of your relationships with women is clearly beyond reproach, forgive me
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Nov 17, 2015 01:15
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the robots in interstellar are different. it's made clear that they are not sentient, and the personalities are basically part of the user interface, where gender is an option chosen by the user. while we're at it, siri is obviously gendered. i think it says a lot that it's literally impossible to design a voice interface without specifying gender. gender actually comes well before the turing test
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Nov 17, 2015 01:16
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Internaut! posted:ah well as a mixed gay jew who hangs around yospos the health of your relationships with women is clearly beyond reproach, forgive me man gently caress off with your culture wars poo poo, you're jsut forcing it now
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Nov 17, 2015 01:16
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Amethyst posted:the robots in star wars are clearly sentient they seemed really well programmed and had emotions, but i didn't feel that had "sentience" per se; obviously this is just my opinions and is probably wrong personally i don't care if the robot is gendered or not, but both sides are just going to push their own cultural viewpoints onto it. MRAs will deem a robot male while feminists will deem them female. if they are sentient they should get to choose, not have it chosen for them.
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Nov 17, 2015 01:16
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george lucas is a notorious moron who only put like two female characters in his movie of course r2 is male as is chewbacca and everything else that doesn't have tits flapping around
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Nov 17, 2015 01:17
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Amethyst posted:they get weird about it because it's not a discussion we have very often. i'm curious to see you expand on this
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Nov 17, 2015 01:18
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Dodoman posted:they seemed really well programmed and had emotions, but i didn't feel that had "sentience" per se; obviously this is just my opinions and is probably wrong "we don't serve their kind"
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Nov 17, 2015 01:19
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Dodoman posted:they seemed really well programmed and had emotions, but i didn't feel that had "sentience" per se; obviously this is just my opinions and is probably wrong if that was the case, then 3po and r2 wouldn't interact with each other the way they do when no humans are around.
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Dodoman posted:they seemed really well programmed and had emotions, but i didn't feel that had "sentience" per se; obviously this is just my opinions and is probably wrong idk C3PO can clearly pass the turing test. dunno about R2D2, though also this is a pet peeve and needlessly pedantic but you mean sapient.
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