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Yet more in the continuing saga of Dinguses Peddling Handwavey Truisms With Dangerous Lies is Niall Ferguson wilfully exploiting people's ignorance of Late Antiquity to say things not that far from NRx lunacy. (He even admits in the piece he doesn't even know that much about this period, but says just enough to convince people he's not wasting their time). I think it's worth putting up in this thread to show that the crazy ones we comfortably laugh at aren't completely removed from influence. https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/11/16/paris-and-fall-rome/ErlRjkQMGXhvDarTIxXpdK/story.html
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Cingulate posted:The difference between "classical" music and popular music is not that one is still alive. That's actually just you having bad taste. If it helps: what this guy espouses here is almost the same stuff Theodor Adorno was mainly concerned with. Yes, Frankfurt School/Cultural Marxism Adorno. Sprinkle on top a bit of Benjamin .. Shallow doesn't begin to describe Scruton's thought. wikipedia posted:Jonathan Dollimore writes that Scruton's Sexual Desire (1986) based a conservative sexual ethic on the Hegelian proposition that "the final end of every rational being is the building of the self," which involves recognizing the other as an end in itself. Scruton argues that the major feature of perversion is "sexual release that avoids or abolishes the other," which he sees as narcissistic and solipsistic.[36] He wrote in an essay, "Sexual morality and the liberal consensus" (1989), that homosexuality is a perversion for that reason: because the body of the homosexual's lover belongs to the same category as his own.[37] Scruton's argument was that positive attitudes to homosexuality in society are socially deleterious because homosexuals have no children and consequently no interest in creating a socially stable future. This basic antisocial impulse that Scruton argued was the consequence of homosexuality meant that he considered society to be justified in continuing to "instil in our children feelings of revulsion" towards homosexuality. But yeah, he's not so much neo-reactionary as he is an establishment conservative.
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To be fair, I think we can all be skeptical about France's decision to rely on ISIS forces to supplement its military and to grant them land in exchange for service - though, on the other hand, given the number of usurpers to the title of "President of the French" in recent years, it is perhaps understandable. One cannot help but see the parallels...
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Hellequin posted:Shallow doesn't begin to describe Scruton's thought. quote:In The Guardian in 2010 Scruton stated that he had changed his views on homosexuality, and would no longer defend what he had argued in the past. If you look up the source on that quote, it's nothing to write home about : Scruton posted:And gay rights activists? In the past Scruton has written that homophobia is understandable. "I took the view that feeling repelled by something might have a justification, even if it's not a justification that the person themselves can give. Like, we're all repelled by incest – well, not all, but most people are. And there's a perfectly good justification, if you look at it in terms of the long-term interest of society. And in that essay I experimented with the view that maybe something similar can be said about homosexuality. And I don't now agree with that, because I think that – it's such a complicated thing, homosexuality. It's not one thing, anyway. So I wouldn't stand by what I said then." Though yes, "people got very cross". But what's with the super selective quotation you did there?
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http://www.utexas.edu/courses/rome/210reasons.html I should bookmark this, it's relevant often enough.
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Cingulate posted:also he likes Metallica Does he actually like it, or is he just kind of backhandedly complimenting it in a  way that they're just a little better than most of the other riffraff?
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Cingulate posted:The difference between "classical" music and popular music is not that one is still alive. That's actually just you having bad taste. If it helps: what this guy espouses here is almost the same stuff Theodor Adorno was mainly concerned with. Yes, Frankfurt School/Cultural Marxism Adorno. Sprinkle on top a bit of Benjamin .. Thanks for teaching me the funny-sounding word "orgelpunkt" today Cingulate 
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Woolie Wool posted:Does he actually like it, or is he just kind of backhandedly complimenting it in a Parallel Paraplegic posted:Thanks for teaching me the funny-sounding word "orgelpunkt" today Cingulate
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Degenerate popular music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrytKuC3Z_o Oh, sorry that's what people were snobbish about 50 years ago reactionism has moved on these days to more contemporary targets.
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Hellequin posted:Shallow doesn't begin to describe Scruton's thought. Isn't that almost exactly the same argument libertarian/NRx favorite Hans-Hermann Hoppe made about why homosexuality should be banned for the sake of freedom?
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Nov 17, 2015 23:00
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So he has a hypothesis; has he tested it, or does the immutable science of
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I for some reason would like to see the reaction of some people discussed in this thread to this little news snippet: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/06/08/nigerian-student-ufot-ekong-solves-30-year-old-maths-equation_n_7533358.html
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Munin posted:I for some reason would like to see the reaction of some people discussed in this thread to this little news snippet: They could pull a Steve Sailer and argue that he doesn't count as "really" black because blah blah blah HBD sub-Saharan ancestry vs north African blah blah I am Steve Sailer and I post on every blog blah blah
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The Vosgian Beast posted:They could pull a Steve Sailer and argue that he doesn't count as "really" black because blah blah blah HBD sub-Saharan ancestry vs north African blah blah I am Steve Sailer and I post on every blog blah blah His book on Obama was called loving "America's Half-Blood Prince" or something, seriously how the gently caress are you even real Steve.
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Munin posted:I for some reason would like to see the reaction of some people discussed in this thread to this little news snippet: A lot of them are willing to compartmentalize certain African pops as High-IQ, while still claiming that the race in the aggregate is inferior. Yoruba and Igbo people were pretty quick to adopt Western learning in the first place, and always valued learning historically. It's a real shame what happened to Biafra.
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Munin posted:I for some reason would like to see the reaction of some people discussed in this thread to this little news snippet: I want to find out what he did but there seems to be very little publicly available.
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Nessus posted:So he has a hypothesis; has he tested it, or does the immutable science of http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3653939&pagenumber=123#post452827993 Pener Kropoopkin posted:A lot of them are willing to compartmentalize certain African pops as High-IQ, while still claiming that the race in the aggregate is inferior. Yoruba and Igbo people were pretty quick to adopt Western learning in the first place, and always valued learning historically. It's a real shame what happened to Biafra.
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Cingulate posted:But what's with the super selective quotation you did there? Eh, it's a pretty decent representation of aim of his philosophical programme, upholding any and all social hierarchies, the more regressive the better. And to be fair, in the very same interview he offered that half-hearted renunciation for his original condemnation of homosexuality he also gave up these gems. http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2010/jun/05/roger-scruton-interview posted:On women 'The disappearance of female modesty and sexual restraint has made it hard for a man to believe, when a woman yields to his advances, that her doing so is a special tribute to his masculine powers, rather than a day-to-day transaction, in which he, like the last one, is dispensable.' same article posted:On homosexuality 'Our acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle, of same-sex couples, and of the gay scene has not eliminated our sense that these are alternatives to something, and that it is the other thing that is normal.
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Nessus posted:So he has a hypothesis; has he tested it, or does the immutable science of Not that he's necessarily into it but the Austrian school of economics is all about rejecting evidence and basing everything on rational deduction so it fits right in with that.
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Hellequin posted:Eh, it's a pretty decent representation of aim of his philosophical programme, upholding any and all social hierarchies, the more regressive the better. And to be fair, in the very same interview he offered that half-hearted renunciation for his original condemnation of homosexuality he also gave up these gems. I dunno, this one seems pretty on point to me.
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The Time Dissolver posted:I dunno, this one seems pretty on point to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronormativity
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The Time Dissolver posted:I dunno, this one seems pretty on point to me.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Not that he's necessarily into it but the Austrian school of economics is all about rejecting evidence and basing everything on rational deduction so it fits right in with that. That's what led to Mencius "I think like a philosopher  " Moldbug. I mean, coming up with testable hypotheses is an alien concept to NRx altogether.
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Feminism: Please provide a repeatable experiment that objectively proves the experience of billions of people throughout history. My philosopher-king thought-experiments: These are theoretically internally consistent and therefore true, regardless of history and its lies.
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neonnoodle posted:My philosopher-king thought-experiments: These are theoretically internally consistent and therefore true, regardless of history and its lies. Well, only some experiences are true and valid. You see, the White European male viewpoint is foremost. Because obviously Europe is a well of "civilization", words which I won't define clearly. And of course I won't prove that, that's besides the point, just take my word for it and read these exact books I have.
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The problem with progs is that they want sweeping cultural changes without understanding the full implications *Talks about what is and isn't necessary for a healthy civilization like he's qualified to do so*
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Pussy Cartel posted:It looks like Twitter's alt-right/nRX/frogtwitter weirdos have decided to exploit the poo poo going down in Paris by trying to get some anti-GamerGate guy caught up in everything. https://twitter.com/grasswirefacts/status/665633389362282496 Who actually shared that first? Cause the actual image edit comes from a joke thread, hence the dildo photo shopped into the background.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Who actually shared that first? Cause the actual image edit comes from a joke thread, hence the dildo photo shopped into the background. http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/game...cegamingtwitter
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This is what Mike Anissimov actually believes https://vimeo.com/120738458
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Massive overestimation of robot battery capacity.
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Cingulate posted:Massive overestimation of robot battery capacity. Well it is science fiction 
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Here is the twitter of Mr. Mean Spirited, a man so edgy, he's two-dimensional
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Here is the twitter of Mr. Mean Spirited, a man so edgy, he's two-dimensional He seems like he really likes terrorists but just doesn't agree with them being muslim.
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https://popehat.com/2015/11/18/the-current-refugee-crisis/ I sometimes can't help but think that Clark is probably not a person, but a caricature. On another hand, does anyone know what this Hamilton musical is about? Tumblr white supremacists are blowing their collective lid over it, Wesley in particular.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Here is the twitter of Mr. Mean Spirited, a man so edgy, he's two-dimensional He's also a Pharisee, apparently Merdifex posted:https://popehat.com/2015/11/18/the-current-refugee-crisis/ It's about Alexander Hamilton, but it's written by and starring a Puerto Rican(-descended) man.
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Merdifex posted:https://popehat.com/2015/11/18/the-current-refugee-crisis/ The story of Alexander Hamilton, but with a mostly black or Latino cast. You can see why they'd be pissy.
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I assumed Mr. Mean-Spirited was a gimmick until I saw that he follows other Alt-Right and NRx people. (Obviously he's still partly a constructed persona, but he's a genuine racist, sexist, etc.)quote:Roxana Alexander Are there any Sedevacantists who don't hate Jews? Silver2195 has a new favorite as of 01:31 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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Silver2195 posted:I assumed Mr. Mean-Spirited was a gimmick until I saw that he follows other Alt-Right and NRx people. (Obviously he's still partly a constructed persona, but he's a genuine racist, sexist, etc.) It's an extended piece of performance art to enrage an audience that isn't watching. See also: the racist SA spinoff forums, Matt Forney, Jokeocracy.
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