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Wanamingo posted:And there's the whole naval law thing too, which stems from the term birth/berth certificate. Also if a court has a flag that has a gold border, that means the court you're in is automatically a maritime law court and you're being sued as a boat. This sometimes goes the other way and they try to argue that century old repealed laws about being declared dead after being lost at sea for seven years means at seven years old you're legally dead and don't pay taxes.
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DrProsek posted:Also if a court has a flag that has a gold border, that means the court you're in is automatically a maritime law court and you're being sued as a boat. This sometimes goes the other way and they try to argue that century old repealed laws about being declared dead after being lost at sea for seven years means at seven years old you're legally dead and don't pay taxes.
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Trent posted:it's so farcical that I can only imagine diagnosably mentally ill people buying into any of it for even a moment. Desperate people do too though.
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Who What Now posted:Haha, yes, the website that fought tooth and nail to protect their precious child porn is totally replace by in any way. Could you assholes please learn how to speak loving English.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Desperate people do too though. I can't imagine any sort of desperation that would lead to sovereign citizen nonsense that didn't begin with committing a serious crime
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Trent posted:I can't imagine any sort of desperation that would lead to sovereign citizen nonsense that didn't begin with committing a serious crime You're really broke and in tons of debt, and some guy tells you he has a way out - depending just how much trouble you're in you'll aim for anything. Racists, morons/insane, and people who are just utterly hosed are the trifecta of sovereign citizen lingo users. (The racists because the entire concept was based on true white men don't have to listen to laws but everyone else does)
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Desperate people turning to pseudo-legal theories (Sovereign Citizens, Freemen on the Land, Moorish Law) makes a certain amount of sense. A person in a ton of debt looks at the world, and sees large companies splitting their debt off into a separate corporation, or claiming to be Irish for tax purposes, or claiming that all the people in their factories are actually independent contractors and not employees. Rich people can pay Senators to do what they want, and it isn't bribery because they called it a campaign donation. In an environment where people are able to say all that stuff and get away with it, why shouldn't you be allowed to be dead or a boat when the taxman comes? You just need to know the right words to say to the judge. And here comes a smart man in a good suit who says he'll teach you the right words, and says that it's worked countless times before. And if it doesn't work for you, you must have messed it up, because all those corporate cases say that it must work if you do it right. Otherwise it would mean that the legal system is blatantly tilted in favor of the rich and powerful, and that simply can't be true.
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fap fap SPLOOGE posted:Could you assholes please learn how to speak loving English. usted y su madre follar
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The weirdest Sovcit videos are the ones where the Sovcit has a guru advising them as they represent themselves pro-se, feeding them questions to ask the judge/witness that very clearly don't work, are annoying the judge that they know determines the outcome of the trial, and the prosecution is clearly not reacting to the guru's line of questioning (other than making sustained objections to half their questions). Then, after they lose the trial, they put it up on youtube as a testament to... how successful Sovcit bullshit is? The corruption of the criminal justice system? A warning about what not to do?
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DrProsek posted:The weirdest Sovcit videos are the ones where the Sovcit has a guru advising them as they represent themselves pro-se, feeding them questions to ask the judge/witness that very clearly don't work, are annoying the judge that they know determines the outcome of the trial, and the prosecution is clearly not reacting to the guru's line of questioning (other than making sustained objections to half their questions). Then, after they lose the trial, they put it up on youtube as a testament to... how successful Sovcit bullshit is? The corruption of the criminal justice system? A warning about what not to do? Yeah, the system is like a cult so that the failure of the system is entirely attributable to the big evil you set up in your ideology. It can't fail as a system because its premises are so absurd - that's how a normal person would realise it's garbage, beyond it's many other issues. You say the courts are oppressive so when they deny your logic that is an affirmation of the system - and accepting the logic would be too.
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Nintendo Kid posted:You're really broke and in tons of debt, and some guy tells you he has a way out - depending just how much trouble you're in you'll aim for anything. Also a ton of people behind on child support, it's one of the most common causes of going whole-hog into this poo poo. I got really into reading about "sov cit" stuff and a shocking number of them are middle aged divorced dudes paying child support. A huge part of the movement is just really lovely men trying to get out of paying child support. Probably why there's such a MRA and general women-hating cross over.
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And that really gets at the single biggest, funniest, saddest thing about SovCit nonsense, which is that it never loving works. And yet they keep at it anyway, confident that they understand a world which never, ever responds the way they think it will.
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Pope Guilty posted:And that really gets at the single biggest, funniest, saddest thing about SovCit nonsense, which is that it never loving works. And yet they keep at it anyway, confident that they understand a world which never, ever responds the way they think it will. at least it gives us great youtube videos like the australian guy blowing through a DUI checkpoint and running from the cops while yelling FREEMEN ON THE LAAAAAAAND like he's going to win and then the cops just bust his window in while he screams THIS IS THUGGERY
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also here's a dope fuckin brief written by a canadian judge specifically to help other judges deal with sovcits http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.html read it, it's basically "lmao this fuckin guy" in Legal
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Literally The Worst posted:also here's a dope fuckin brief written by a canadian judge specifically to help other judges deal with sovcits I really, really love this one.
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Sovereign citizens are really lucky that the times of declaring people outlaws have passed because none of them would be able to survive that.Literally The Worst posted:at least it gives us great youtube videos like the australian guy blowing through a DUI checkpoint and running from the cops while yelling FREEMEN ON THE LAAAAAAAND like he's going to win and then the cops just bust his window in while he screams THIS IS THUGGERY Link.
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RottenK posted:Sovereign citizens are really lucky that the times of declaring people outlaws have passed because none of them would be able to survive that. It's in a compilation, give me a minute to find it
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsoUArgpo9s THIS IS THUGGERY!!!!
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Here's a classic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyy9Vns4Ias
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Literally The Worst posted:also here's a dope fuckin brief written by a canadian judge specifically to help other judges deal with sovcits This is such a great document, I'm assuming the Judge was drinking heavily through the entire write up.
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Pope Guilty posted:Here's a classic. For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is John rogers?
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Okay, which one of you works for Last Week Tonight?
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 Full context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJtYRxH5G2k
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Nolanar posted:
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Absolutely flawless.
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I can die happy and fulfilled. Thank you SA.
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There is nothing better in life.
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Nolanar posted:
Beautiful
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Oh gently caress yes.
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Nolanar posted:
We were the change we wanted to see in the world after all!
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Not available in my country, clearly this is the state's fault! 
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paragon explain yourself 
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Clearly someone on the Last Week Tonight staff is a goon And it's probably John Oliver because he is awesome and seems goony as gently caress (in the good way)
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Please explain 
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RottenK posted:Please explain Well, first you'd need to cut an appropriately sized hole in the watermelon...
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RottenK posted:Please explain People got so fed up with Jrod's style of arguing that they just started asking him if he'd ever hosed a watermelon. This went on for pages, upon pages. Jrod responded to it occasionally, but never with humor, which only prompted people to keep asking him until he eventually made a Not-Serious post where answered it. Possibly in the "Property rights" thread rather than this one. Now it's on a show. And there was much rejoicing.
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Buried alive posted:People got so fed up with Jrod's style of arguing that they just started asking him if he'd ever hosed a watermelon. This went on for pages, upon pages. Jrod responded to it occasionally, but never with humor, which only prompted people to keep asking him until he eventually made a Not-Serious post where answered it. Possibly in the "Property rights" thread rather than this one. Now it's on a show. And there was much rejoicing.
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theshim posted:No, the best part was that he never once acknowledged it until that response in the other thread. Every single time he just ignored it, which only lent further credence to these worrying claims of watermelon loving. Like I said at the time, other posters had no problem weighing in on the watermelon-loving issue. That he couldn't even be bothered to deny it for so long was worrying, and demanded as serious inquiry as every other issue raised in this and that other thread.
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The Real Foogla posted:paragon explain yourself Watermelon fuckers are a well known national issue. John Oliver doesn't need my prodding to take up that worthy cause.
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Since we're on the downswing of the Jrodefeld Cycle, the thread's been quiet. Time to give it an infusion of That One Guy I Know On Facebook  quote:Criminals don't buy guns legally. Trickle down gun control is about as effective as trickle down "economics".
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