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| Goku |
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202 | 7.09% |
| Vegeta |
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279 | 9.79% |
| Krillin |
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208 | 7.30% |
| Piccolo or his nameks |
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212 | 7.44% |
| Gohan or Cool Gohan |
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135 | 4.74% |
| Yamcha |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Tien |
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120 | 4.21% |
| Muten Roshi |
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89 | 3.12% |
| Tao Pai Pai |
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71 | 2.49% |
| Frieza |
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69 | 2.42% |
| Cell or an android |
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86 | 3.02% |
| Buu |
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62 | 2.18% |
| Hercule "Mark" Satan |
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327 | 11.48% |
| Videl |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Bulma |
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104 | 3.65% |
| Yajirobe |
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99 | 3.47% |
| Ginyu or other Frieza squad guy |
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68 | 2.39% |
| King kai or another kai |
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53 | 1.86% |
| Chi-Chi |
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83 | 2.91% |
| Goten |
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43 | 1.51% |
| Trunks or Cool Trunks |
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112 | 3.93% |
| Bardock |
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48 | 1.68% |
| Other villain of DB,Z, or GT(please post about it!) |
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41 | 1.44% |
| Uub |
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42 | 1.47% |
| Oolong |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Zamasu |
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26 | 0.91% |
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Ytlaya posted:Actually, didn't he just go base form > Kaioken X 100 (or whatever his max was) > Spirit Bomb > Super Saiyan? I only remember him using Kaioken once during that fight, and it was only for a couple minutes (during which he got one or two good punches in on Frieza) before burning himself out. Goku canonically never goes beyond x20. He starts the fight in x10 (which he has total control of, to the point that he can turn it on and off at will and we can never see the aura apart from specific shots), then increases it to x20 when he realizes he can't beat Freeza, and it isn't enough. x100 is used once, though, against Lord Slug in his movie. Goku needed Piccolo's Ki to use it. It also made no goddamn sense. Kaioken is a flat multiplier to power, as is Super Saiyan, and a Kaioken x100 would make Goku a Super Saiyan 2 in terms of power. If, you know, power levels made any sense.
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Nov 17, 2015 21:48
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I think the most inexplicable power up in DBZ is the one Goku gets between the Ginyu fight and him fighting Frieza. His max is something like 160,000 before Ginyu, and after healing up he somehow gets a Zenkai that gives him a power level of, what, like 5-10 million or something? During the same fight, Vegeta goes from being roughly as strong as Frieza's first form to, after the zenkai from Krillin blasting him, being significantly weaker then Frieza's final form (and thus Goku post-recovery). So basically both Goku and Vegeta get a zenkai, but despite Vegeta starting at a higher place (since he had previously experienced another zenkai after the Ginyu fight) Goku ends up stronger. Basically just another reason power levels make no sense.
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Nov 17, 2015 22:07
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Against Ginyu with an unquantified kaioken he was at 180k First form was 500k, second was 1M, final is maybe around 2M. Goku starts the battle basically at kkx10 so going apples-to-apples his power at kkx1 is only 200k His zenkai wasn't that big of a deal
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Nov 17, 2015 22:16
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The zenkai registered on my scouter at "eh whatever the plot needs". Handy thing to have.
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Nov 17, 2015 22:23
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I read one of these power level maths discussions about JJBA once, it concluded that Star Platinum and The World punched at several times the speed of light with the force of several gigaton nuclear bombs, the author didn't seem to realise how stupid that was and how that self-evidently wasn't the case as each MUDA didn't level Northern Africa I feel it's much the same attaching meaning to the numbers given out in the Frieza Saga, it's an action show and the protagonist is always going to rise to the level the story needs them to and the visual and narrative portrayal of events is far more important than whatever throwaway exposition is used to quantify their punching power
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Nov 17, 2015 22:41
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Doki doki zenkai power
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Nov 17, 2015 22:42
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Only the characters I like should get power ups, IMO, while the ones I don't like languish behind and compliment them.
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Nov 17, 2015 22:45
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Kaioken was so cool. The aura and the pweeeeerrrrr sound. So cool
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Nov 17, 2015 22:45
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Ruggington posted:toriyama is an old man and a fool because he should have kept videl's pigtails around for longer
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Nov 17, 2015 22:45
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A Steampunk Gent posted:I read one of these power level maths discussions about JJBA once, it concluded that Star Platinum and The World punched at several times the speed of light with the force of several gigaton nuclear bombs, the author didn't seem to realise how stupid that was and how that self-evidently wasn't the case as each MUDA didn't level Northern Africa You say stupid, I say absolutely fantastic. I want someone to calculate how hard Saitama's serious strike is in nuclear bombs.
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Nov 17, 2015 22:51
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I think the thread should move to a most serious discussion: Who would win in a three-way battle? Goku, Superman (Golden Age), or Saitama?
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Nov 17, 2015 22:57
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Instead of fighting they should team up for goofy adventures and occasionally even learn some lessons about life IMO.
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Nov 17, 2015 22:59
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Mr Interweb posted:Well, now that the Beerus fight's over, I'd like to comment on it. While I agree that they went back to the "Goku is defeated, wait, not yet" powerups vs. Beerus in Super, that Freeza fight is utterly ridiculous. After Goku finally went Super Saiyan (the end of your progression) until the time that Freeza is defeated and Goku goes into full escape mode is an entire 10 episodes. Yes, there are 2 Dragon Ball wishes in there too, but still. I guess it depends on how you quantify "worst" but even if you think it is the worst, at least it is short, comparatively.
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Nov 17, 2015 23:02
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Covok posted:I think the thread should move to a most serious discussion: Who would win in a three-way battle? Goku, Superman (Golden Age), or Saitama? If by three way battle you mean in a food eating contest.
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Nov 17, 2015 23:07
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read the manga
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Nov 17, 2015 23:09
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Darko posted:The end of the Beerus fight wasn't about Goku discovering a new power as much as him completely learning how to manage god power. The Beerus fight was more like training for Goku than a major antagonist fight, since the whole fight, Beerus was attempting to push Goku to become a worthy adversary for him. Him threatening the planet was just him trying to force Goku to be better and make him actually fight. The show extended that by 30 minutes, but it's still there. That's a huge difference from Piccolo/Vegeta/Freeza/etc. where they were fighting for more than entertainment. the movie did it better
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Nov 17, 2015 23:18
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the movie is forced to do it better thanks to time constraints
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Nov 17, 2015 23:24
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Squallege posted:Kaioken was so cool. The aura and the pweeeeerrrrr sound. So cool this and brick shithouse goku were some of the weird things of early dbz i do like kaioken though
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Nov 17, 2015 23:24
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I liked it better when Goku (and everyone else) was less muscly. His character design in the Raditz fight was peak imo
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Nov 17, 2015 23:45
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If the DBZ characters were really as fast as they should be (given that Goku/Piccolo were already moving too fast to see in their first fight), each battle would basically just be a loud popping sound.
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Nov 17, 2015 23:58
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Squall posted:While I agree that they went back to the "Goku is defeated, wait, not yet" powerups vs. Beerus in Super, that Freeza fight is utterly ridiculous. After Goku finally went Super Saiyan (the end of your progression) until the time that Freeza is defeated and Goku goes into full escape mode is an entire 10 episodes. Yes, there are 2 Dragon Ball wishes in there too, but still. Well, it's not so much about the length itself (though that's a huge turnoff as well), but reasons for why it was dragged on for so long.
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Nov 18, 2015 00:09
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Ytlaya posted:If the DBZ characters were really as fast as they should be (given that Goku/Piccolo were already moving too fast to see in their first fight), each battle would basically just be a loud popping sound. Just imagine you have Vegeta-vision
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Nov 18, 2015 00:10
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Ytlaya posted:If the DBZ characters were really as fast as they should be (given that Goku/Piccolo were already moving too fast to see in their first fight), each battle would basically just be a loud popping sound. The first tournament did this, when Jackie Chun and Krillin fought nobody could follow them, so they just repeated it for the audience in slow motion. Tournaments really were the best
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Nov 18, 2015 00:35
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Wuxi posted:The first tournament did this, when Jackie Chun and Krillin fought nobody could follow them, so they just repeated it for the audience in slow motion. Tournaments really were the best Also they had time to play Rock Paper Scissors
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Nov 18, 2015 00:41
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Also they had time to play Rock Paper Scissors And Krillin shot boogers out of magically appearing nostril holes.
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Nov 18, 2015 00:43
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Combat Lobster posted:Set it to a poor-man's rendition of "Eye of the Tiger" and I'm sold. Head of the Cha-La.
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Nov 18, 2015 00:47
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Rudoku posted:And Krillin shot boogers out of magically appearing nostril holes. But he just won because he doesn't have a nose!
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Nov 18, 2015 01:57
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Krillin just gives no fucks. Tell him he doesn't have a nose, and he'll grown one. Tell him he can't marry a killer android that murdered him in an alternate timeline, and he has a child with her. Tell him that he's bald, and he grows hair. He's an inspiration to us all.
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Nov 18, 2015 02:37
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Should we be expecting an issue of the Super manga soon? Feels like there's been a month since we found out about Vados/Super Saiyan Blue.
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Nov 18, 2015 08:28
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Shindragon posted:If by three way battle you mean in a food eating contest. 
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Nov 18, 2015 09:19
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Should we be expecting an issue of the Super manga soon? Feels like there's been a month since we found out about Vados/Super Saiyan Blue. It looks like the scan groups are purposely not moving too far beyond the anime.
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Nov 18, 2015 11:27
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I just had a quick look and stuff about Chapter 5 of the manga came out a month ago indeed, so it simply just may be a case of it not being out rather than them wanting to not spoil Super.
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Nov 18, 2015 13:33
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It's monthly releases of the Super Manga not some anti spoiler poo poo.
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Nov 18, 2015 13:41
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yeah I doubt fallen angels, the guys who put "gently caress" as much as possible into all their releases, care about spoiling the Dragon Ball Super anime you can tell it's not out because kazenshuu doesn't have anything on the front page yet and if there was anything important it'd be reported
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Nov 18, 2015 13:46
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I just need to know who's going to be losing to Satan in the big tourney.
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Nov 18, 2015 13:52
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Saitama.
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Nov 18, 2015 14:00
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Speaking of Kanzenshuu, did anyone listen to their latest podcast? It was basically a straight hour of  and how they're so much better at reporting news than other people, in regards to that rumor about a new movie that ended up being not true.I find them and that site really frustrating because they're incredibly knowledgeable about Dragon Ball and the history of the franchise, and yet at the same time they come off as kind of elitist about Dragon Ball of all things.
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Nov 18, 2015 14:18
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Raxivace posted:Speaking of Kanzenshuu, did anyone listen to their latest podcast? It was basically a straight hour of Given that they reported on the spanish site being wrong and the spanish site doubled down and got defensive I think they're entitled to be smug about it
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Nov 18, 2015 14:20
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They are like this all the time, though, from what I heard.
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Nov 18, 2015 14:24
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Blockhouse posted:Given that they reported on the spanish site being wrong and the spanish site doubled down and got defensive I think they're entitled to be smug about it And it's fine to call them out for that crap, but talking for like an hour about it seemed like overkill by quite a margin to me.
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Nov 18, 2015 14:25
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