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Thwack! posted:I actually haven't played much of any Castlevania game besides bits and pieces of 1, 4 and the first hour of SotN. After I decide to finish SotN, which one of the DS/GBA games are worth playing? If you want to be picky, Aria of Sorrow and Order of Ecclesia, no two ways about it
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Circle of the Moon and Aria of Sorrow are my two favorites. If you want to play the non-rpg/metroid titles, Rondo of Blood is punishing but amazing, and Bloodlines is surprisingly good considering how obscure it is compared to some of the other titles.
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Nov 18, 2015 15:03
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Thwack! posted:I actually haven't played much of any Castlevania game besides bits and pieces of 1, 4 and the first hour of SotN. After I decide to finish SotN, which one of the DS/GBA games are worth playing? Aria of Sorrow and Dawn of Sorrow are the best, if you finish those and still want more then the rest are worth checking out. Even the mediocre Harmony of Dissonance is still hella good and the only one bad enough that I don't recommend it is Portrait of Ruin. Circle of the Moon is arguably better than Dawn but it's a lot harder than the other ones and if you're a baby you might not like it.
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Nov 18, 2015 16:20
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Yeah, all the GBA/DS Castlevania games are worth playing, though when I went back to SotN I was surprised how much better I found it than any of the portable ones, dealer some more interesting features in the later ones.
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Nov 18, 2015 16:32
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Wrath of the Bitch King posted:Remember when idiots kept talking about how Wildstar was going to kill WoW and revitalize the genre? Same thing happened with Age of Conan And Warhammer Online And Vanguard.
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Nov 18, 2015 16:58
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New Concept Hole posted:Same thing happened with Age of Conan I think Vanguard was my first major let down. I was so excited for that game as I wanted player built cities similar to SWG. I understand why games don't do it (it caters to a small audience, I believe), but I still want it!
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Nov 18, 2015 18:05
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New Concept Hole posted:Same thing happened with Age of Conan And Anarchy Online And Matrix Online And Dark age of Camelot And Lineage 2
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Nov 18, 2015 18:18
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i'm like 70% through metroid fusion and IMO it's good. bite me nerds
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Nov 18, 2015 18:35
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This awful MMO will kill the other bad MMO!
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Nov 18, 2015 18:36
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icantfindaname posted:i'm like 70% through metroid fusion and IMO it's good. bite me nerds I don't think anyone would argue with you on that 
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Nov 18, 2015 18:38
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODBPesfOHUAicantfindaname posted:i'm like 70% through metroid fusion and IMO it's good. bite me nerds
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Nov 18, 2015 18:39
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i feel like i've seen a lot of super metroid purists mad about the gating in that game
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Nov 18, 2015 18:39
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icantfindaname posted:i feel like i've seen a lot of super metroid purists mad about the gating in that game Will that aspect sucks but it's still a pretty great game.
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Nov 18, 2015 18:41
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icantfindaname posted:i'm like 70% through metroid fusion and IMO it's good. bite me nerds Once you've got screw attack don't go in any computer rooms until you're ready to do the final boss, the game arbitarily locks you out of all exploration as soon as you've got it
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Nov 18, 2015 18:44
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Fusion's control and movement improvements are taken for granted now, but if you play Super Metroid right after, you can appreciate how big an improvement they are. Especially missiles being a modifier.
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Nov 18, 2015 18:44
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Metroid Fusion owns and is the only one of the series that I actually liked enough to go back and try to get the best ending for.
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Nov 18, 2015 18:50
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Why do so many people dislike Portrait of Ruin while giving Dawn of Sorrow a pass? I've been replaying both recently and couldn't bring myself to finish DoS, but have been enjoying Portrait more than I remembered.
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Nov 18, 2015 19:30
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I don't know if any of y'all care, but PAX East 2016 tickets are on sale. 3-day badges sold out in under 10 minutes. http://east.paxsite.com/
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Nov 18, 2015 19:34
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icantfindaname posted:i'm like 70% through metroid fusion and IMO it's good. bite me nerds I got into rom hacking because I wanted to take the story out of that game, and if at all possible make it slightly less linear, but I had to give up cuz I'm too dumb to learn that poo poo. That game isn't bad but it has these obvious flaws that are so unfortunate in an otherwise great sequel to Super Metroid.
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Nov 18, 2015 19:49
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Heavy Lobster posted:Why do so many people dislike Portrait of Ruin while giving Dawn of Sorrow a pass? I've been replaying both recently and couldn't bring myself to finish DoS, but have been enjoying Portrait more than I remembered. I think they're both kind of mediocre but with PoR the problem is more that the entire second half of the game is just terrible trash so it leaves a much worse taste in your mouth. I also feel like they didn't really make very good use of the two-character mechanic in PoR so it feels like a lot of wasted potential too.
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Nov 18, 2015 20:20
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Heavy Lobster posted:Why do so many people dislike Portrait of Ruin while giving Dawn of Sorrow a pass? I've been replaying both recently and couldn't bring myself to finish DoS, but have been enjoying Portrait more than I remembered.
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Nov 18, 2015 20:21
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Portrait of Ruin is the bottom of the barrel, Dawn of Sorrow is just bad. I formed these opinions by myself instead of getting them from internet.
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Nov 18, 2015 20:40
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All the GBA/DS Castlevania games are good but some are better than others I'm gettin' deja vu here
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Nov 18, 2015 20:43
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all games are good, but some games are better than others *Portrait of Ruin and Dawn of Sorrow are shoved into a truck labeled Glue Factory*
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Nov 18, 2015 20:52
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The "Castlevania 3" mode of Dawn of Sorrow owns a lot.
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Nov 18, 2015 20:54
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:I think they're both kind of mediocre but with PoR the problem is more that the entire second half of the game is just terrible trash so it leaves a much worse taste in your mouth. I also feel like they didn't really make very good use of the two-character mechanic in PoR so it feels like a lot of wasted potential too. I guess the second half falling short doesn't really resonate with me because I enjoyed the remixed stages and the first half of the game was strong enough to make up for it even if they were mediocre. Agreed that the two-character mechanic isn't super fleshed out, but I thought it was nice that it let you have full magic and physical layouts on-demand whereas DoS' set-swap basically turned into "the set you use to play the game vs the set with all the movement souls so you don't have to constantly reassign things that should be core abilities." What really soured me on DoS was its awful weapon progression system. Instead of rewarding exploration like in literally any other SotN-style Castlevania you have to grind for (usually rare) souls that are permanently used up so that you can keep up with the damage curve, and then grind for that soul again if you wanted to actually use it. Granted the second grind is generally alleviated because DoS' souls were generally either really boring or really underpowered so you wouldn't want to use them anyway, but it was overall a much worse system than PoR cramming in a ton of sidegrade equipment that drops frequently off many enemies, which I thought was great. e: While I think Portrait had more consistently solid boss fights throughout, Dawn had three really awesome fights (Gergoth, Paranoia, and Puppet Master) that were probably better than any individual fight in Portrait, so it does have that going for it I guess.
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Nov 18, 2015 21:01
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icantfindaname posted:all games are good Thank you.
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Nate RFB posted:The "Castlevania 3" mode of Dawn of Sorrow owns a lot. It's loving bullshit that Hammer isn't playable.
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Nov 18, 2015 21:07
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Going through the lovely and linear non-castle areas in PoR really sucks and then you end up having to go through a slight variation of each one again, so if you actually like exploration the game is poo poo.
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Nov 18, 2015 21:09
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Heavy Lobster posted:What really soured me on DoS was its awful weapon progression system. Instead of rewarding exploration like in literally any other SotN-style Castlevania you have to grind for (usually rare) souls that are permanently used up so that you can keep up with the damage curve, and then grind for that soul again if you wanted to actually use it. Granted the second grind is generally alleviated because DoS' souls were generally either really boring or really underpowered so you wouldn't want to use them anyway, but it was overall a much worse system than PoR cramming in a ton of sidegrade equipment that drops frequently off many enemies, which I thought was great. Yeah I'm really not a fan of any of any of the random drops for skills/spells systems in all of these games. CotM would probably be me favorite in the series if you just found Cards like you find upgrades in Metroid. Being ultra-low budget really hurt a lot of these games in particular. As much as I like OoE, the budget running thin is really apparent in parts, and Dracula's Castle is pretty disappointing.
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Nov 18, 2015 21:19
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Adam Bowen posted:Going through the lovely and linear non-castle areas in PoR really sucks and then you end up having to go through a slight variation of each one again, so if you actually like exploration the game is poo poo. Maybe it's just me souring on typical Metroidvania level design then. So few times does the nonlinearity of levels actually mean anything worthwhile in a gameplay sense, getting a progression skill generally just makes you backtrack to get to the next area instead of the next area being the next room over. Harmony of Dissonance was particularly bad about this in that you'd have to remember every glowing door/rock/whatever and have to wander halfway across the map after getting something in a progression dead-end, which was particularly a shame because once you actually got all the map movement upgrades the game had some really awesome levels and a lot of great optional content. Actually, the more I think about it, the more this is a problem with Castlevania than Metroid. Castlevania's map navigation upgrades are almost always either literal keys or might as well be (oh cool, I can push heavy blocks now, too bad there's only exactly one of these in the game and it's blocking the next required area!), whereas Metroid's are usually new weapons or changes to how you actually move around rooms, which makes them actually rewarding because the side content they gate involve interacting with new mechanics instead of just letting you open a door into a one-cell room that has a good piece of armor. I guess what I'm trying to say is that exploration in Castlevania games has never been great anyway and I'm fine with a more linear experience instead of a game that's technically nonlinear but for no good reason. Gwyrgyn Blood posted:Yeah I'm really not a fan of any of any of the random drops for skills/spells systems in all of these games. CotM would probably be me favorite in the series if you just found Cards like you find upgrades in Metroid. Agreed on CotM, I love how it's actually a difficult game but having one of the cooler subsystems gated entirely behind drops is a drag. I never actually got around to playing OoE, although I'd very much like to if I can find a copy.
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OoE is different in that it's a series of disconnected levels that you unlock linearly. Some of them are completely linear in layout, some of them are larger and have a fair bit of exploration. The balance is tuned pretty well overall too and it has some pretty good bosses. Still has some annoying random drops to get skills, but generally I find it gives you enough to work with without having to grind much.
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Nov 18, 2015 21:51
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Personally, Dawn and portrait are two of my favourite castlevanias. Imho they're the perfect size and pace for a DS title, or even vania games in general. As fun and classic SotN is, it's way too long with some weirdly designed paths. Never encountered the weapon problem mentioned earlier in Dawn because I use axes and only the ultimate upgrade requires a rare drop that was also the easiest rare soul to grind.
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Nov 18, 2015 21:55
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Heavy Lobster posted:Why do so many people dislike Portrait of Ruin while giving Dawn of Sorrow a pass? I've been replaying both recently and couldn't bring myself to finish DoS, but have been enjoying Portrait more than I remembered. I think it's because the games main system (the collecting of abilities) while copied from the last game, was really fun and then they got rid of it and replaced it with two less fun to play characters and smaller world's. It's a good game but it felt like a step back. In general I really like when the games encourage exploration. I like SotN the best because it's the one that held your hand the least and even had entire areas and bosses you didn't even need to go to. It also had the most natural unlock progression. I do like Metrodvania in pretty much any form it takes though.
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Nov 18, 2015 21:56
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I really wish SotN had any concept of balance or difficulty, as much as I like the game in general it's just braindead easy to the point where you don't even have to pay the first bit of attention to anything. Plus the inverted castle is kind of a slog to maneuver through.
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:I really wish SotN had any concept of balance or difficulty, as much as I like the game in general it's just braindead easy to the point where you don't even have to pay the first bit of attention to anything. Yeah, SotN gets a lot of passes from fans because it was a relatively new style of game design, plus the inverted castle is reasonably well-hidden and embodies an older form of secrets in games that birthed Uncle at Nintendo kind of rumors, but it has a lot of really obvious faults that are apparent if you played the later Castlevanias first. For as much poo poo as Harmony of Dissonance gets it's pretty much SotN 2, and while it repeats pretty much the same mistakes that SotN did, it's still a very fun game. It's funny, all the other Castlevania games that get compared to SotN really don't really play much like it at all, they just play like each other. CotM is kind of a transitionary game, but Aria through Portrait are all pretty much the same style of map design. Portrait's non-castle parts get poo poo on but they play exactly like any other long stretch of castle in other games, except they don't have a second exit to a part of the game you've already explored I guess.
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cloud smash looking good
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Sakurazuka posted:cloud smash looking good Dissidia with FFVII Skrillix https://youtube.com/watch?v=FNbVim8AGZw
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theultimo posted:I cannot wait for That's some very bad lighting for a game that you're supposed to be able to tell what's going on in.
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