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Ikantski posted:For values, let's compare health ministers, that's a spot where values particularly matter. One one hand, we had Ayn Rand loving, pro-life Rona Ambrose. On the other, we have the family doctor who spent 9 years volunteering in Niger, Jane Philpott. At the risk of invoking the thread's irrational disdain for doctors, I would call that about as night and day of a value set as you'll see in Canadian politics. You really are conflating "Conservative" with conservative. As Helsing noted, the conservative voice is still there, and still very potent. The "Conservative" party is in control of the opposition, and has all the power to use that pulpit to put political pressure on the Liberals to abandon this or that pledge from their campaign. In fact, on this very page* there are articles from the conservative punditry trying to get Trudeau to do exactly that with regards to the bombing campaign. Before that, it was opinion articles about how Trudeau needs to reconsider his tax plan, even before he was sworn in as prime minister. Alongside that, it's conservative pundits and business leaders criticizing the NDP government before it was sworn in or attempting borderline sabotage by closing up shop in Alberta, threatening to leave or convincing others not to invest in doing business there. Will they directly change a certain policy as a result? Perhaps, but forcing Trudeau to expend political capital to do something he explicitly promised he would do during the election is certainly a source of power when political battles are so often long-term wars of attrition. All those newspapers and think tanks and pundits that rallied for the "Conservative" and conservative cause are still there, and they still have political power. All those wealthy individuals who supported conservative causes in 2014 still have political access, even (or even more so?) within the Liberal party than the working class could ever hope to tap. The idea that conservatives have lost their voice or political power because the party named "Conservative" no longer holds absolute power in Ottawa is simply absurd. *Now the previous page 
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El Scotch posted:NewfoundLand and Labrador. NL is explcitly Newfoundland and Labrador. It's why they changed it from NF.
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Dr. Stab posted:NL is explcitly Newfoundland and Labrador. It's why they changed it from NF. Nfld*
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Nov 18, 2015 18:40
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New rule: no one, ever, gets to bitch about the uselessness of beer or food chat. This is the least useful, most boring discussion of all time, goddamn.
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Nov 18, 2015 18:48
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Ontario revealed who got the beer licenses today. So, the big five, and a couple smaller operations. Including Farm Boy, which I like, because they're more likely to have a lot more craft. They also already have an existing relationship with one of my fav breweries (Kitchisippi) through their Harvey and Vern soda line,
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Nov 18, 2015 19:08
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Farm Boy is good so that's good. What a stupid loving system though.
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Whiskey Sours posted:Western governments arm and train the Kurds. Yeah, and especially with this most recent election in Turkey the idea of Turkey accepting a Kurdish state right on their border is even less likely. Turkey's headed in a pretty dark direction and there's not much anyone can do about it, unless the rest of NATO was able to apply some serious pressure on the Turkish government. Jordan7hm posted:Farm Boy is good so that's good. How Ontario gets it so wrong when neighbouring Quebec gets it so right is beyond me. Dreylad fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Nov 18, 2015 |
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Nov 18, 2015 19:11
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Jordan7hm posted:Farm Boy is good so that's good. The Farm Boy head office on Montreal looks like just a Farm Boy where you can go and buy food. That is one of only two things I dislike about Farm Boy (the other being that annoying singing puppet)
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I get the impression that there is a dearth of information of voting behaviours. There are obviously people that will vote for one party in nearly all scenarios, and others that are highly variable. Similarly, there are a bunch of people that may or may not actually bother going out to vote, depending on the situation. It seems like political campaigns (and by extension, policy) has been shaped around a strategy of having some platform elements to cater to a supposed base, and others to attract supposed swing voters. I think the felt "right ward lean" of the NDP indicates that campaigners believe swing voters are responsive to fiscal responsibility issues, of which conservative leaning policy has some unearned legitimacy. The impact of base turnout versus swing movement is important to consider. There seems to be a general apprehension by all parties to fully embrace their ideology for fear of driving away swing votes, which seems to be founded on the idea that if you ignore this then you'll lose power. Obviously the bigger problem here is that policy is being created more to maintain power rather than to maximally benefit the country, but that's the consequence of a democratic system. I'm not the biggest fan of ideologically founded problem solving, but given that is what dominates matters at the moment, why bother having an ideology if you're not going to usefully apply it? I honestly think this is why the Liberals have been so successful over history, because they aren't seen as having any particular ideology and thus are more adaptable to the current political climate. That it feels like half of people get upset at them for being too right wing while the other half get upset at them for being too left is a good indication of this. While it has been put forth earlier that conservative ideology is impacting matters despite them not being power in most of the country, consider that for all of Harper's term he spent a great deal of effort suppressing large-scale appearances to be trending toward socially conservative policies for fear of that destabilizing his power. I say this because the most prevalent negative activity in this domain was not allowing more socially progressing legislation to pass. C-51, and the apprehension many of you show towards the liberal party for voting for it, is a pretty good example of them screwing up in this domain. It seems like in an ideological tug-o-war, both sides believe themselves losing unless they have dragged the other side completely over. This kind of thinking leads to pessimism and disenfranchisement with your team, because things almost never go that way.
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Dreylad posted:Yeah, and especially with this most recent election in Turkey the idea of Turkey accepting a Kurdish state right on their border is even less likely. Turkey's headed in a pretty dark direction and there's not much anyone can do about it, unless the rest of NATO was able to apply some serious pressure on the Turkish government. I'd say the army might do something about it at some point. flakeloaf posted:The Farm Boy head office on Montreal looks like just a Farm Boy where you can go and buy food. That is one of only two things I dislike about Farm Boy (the other being that annoying singing puppet) How can you hate the singing puppets.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Ontario revealed who got the beer licenses today. So, the big five, and a couple smaller operations. Including Farm Boy, which I like, because they're more likely to have a lot more craft. They also already have an existing relationship with one of my fav breweries (Kitchisippi) through their Harvey and Vern soda line, Handing out licensees? I heard Ontario was allowing grocery stores by sell beer, but it isn't all such stores?
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Count Roland posted:Handing out licensees? I heard Ontario was allowing grocery stores by sell beer, but it isn't all such stores? Hilarious man. They auctioned off the right to apply for licenses. Now the highest bidders get to apply for some of their stores to sell beer.
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Nov 18, 2015 20:51
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I guess this means we'll have unfettered access to macro swill?
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a primate posted:I guess this means we'll have unfettered access to macro swill? Part of the condition is that 20% of teh shelf has to be Ontario Craft Beer.
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quote:[url="https:///dev/null"]http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/terence-corcoran-the-toronto-star-should-step-off-its-high-horse[/url] Postmedia ordered OP to complain about TorStar calling out PostMedia for being terrible  I wonder how long this feud will go for.
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Noted libelist Terrance Corcoran weighs in to defend his fellow libelist organization.
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jm20 posted:Postmedia ordered OP to complain about TorStar calling out PostMedia for being terrible I assure you nobody needed to order Terence Corcoran to write that piece.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Part of the condition is that 20% of teh shelf has to be Ontario Craft Beer. That's not a lot, but I expected no such condition so I'll take what I can get. As long as it's not all Amsterdam stuff.
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Oh, I do so hope the new Speaker-to-be rules against something brought by Scheer with the words "as my immediate predecessor decided..."
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jm20 posted:Postmedia ordered OP to complain about TorStar calling out PostMedia for being terrible
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According to the budget the Conservatives tabled back in April or whatever, oil was supposed to be back at $80/barrel by now.
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THC posted:According to the budget the Conservatives tabled back in April or whatever, oil was supposed to be back at $80/barrel by now. The current prices of a barrel of oil is as close to $80 as it is to free.
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Ikantski posted:Hilarious man. They auctioned off the right to apply for licenses. Now the highest bidders get to apply for some of their stores to sell beer. So not even auctioning off licensees, but only the right to apply. Lets add as many extra layers of bureaucracy as we can to this problem, then go to Montreal and get beer at the local dep. Well, its better than less beer, I suppose.
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Ikantski posted:For values, let's compare health ministers, that's a spot where values particularly matter. One one hand, we had Ayn Rand loving, pro-life Rona Ambrose. On the other, we have the family doctor who spent 9 years volunteering in Niger, Jane Philpott. At the risk of invoking the thread's irrational disdain for doctors, I would call that about as night and day of a value set as you'll see in Canadian politics. That's my point though. The political spectrum in this country is about as narrow as it's ever been. Even back in the 1980s there were much more significant political debates about free trade, sovereignty, the constitution, our relationship with America, class politics, gender, race, state ownership, privatization and various other issues. Nowadays the Liberals and Conservatives have mild disagreements on social issues and minor debates on fiscal policy. The Liberals were happy to make deep cuts in the 1990s when that is what capital demanded, and the Conservatives were happy to run lots of deficits and splurge on infrastructure projects when the economy looked shakey. Even on the social front, the conservatives haven't shown any real interest in taking on gay marriage or abortion - income splitting is about as far as they were willing to go on the domestic front. quote:Look, I just had a showerthought that it was notable, especially in the last two years, that Canadians had pretty well rejected Conservative politicians from coast to coast. The banks and private companies aren't making political decisions, politicians are and the huge majority of those politicians are not branded as conservatives. It will be an interesting couple of years for us to find out how the political system behaves when Conservative politicians are removed from it. Banks and corporations absolutely do make political decisions. In fact I don't think the typical distinctions between politics and economics are very helpful here, if anything those distinctions are a way of mystifying the situation. To me politics is fundamentally a question of how society generates and distributes power -- and in our society power is primarily expressed through wealth. Decisions such as when and were to invest your economic resources as a private firm are, to me, more significant political questions than whether or not gays can get married or how many Syrian refugees get let into Canada this year. Canada's elites have settled on a socially progressive and fiscally conservative approach to governing. Within that narrow spectrum you can make mild adjustments depending on your ideology but anyone who tries to step outside a very narrow range of acceptable political options on the major questions of the day: the environment, inequality, globalization, the size of government, the generosity of the welfare state, etc. would immediately face well organized and vicious pushback from the corporate world, the financial sector and the media. Politics under neoliberalism can deliver the occasional bread crumb like national daycare or a pharmacare plan, and those narrow goals are worth pursuing (both as ends in themselves and as a way to mobilize coalitions of voters who might go on to demand further concessions or reforms) but on the fundamental questions of the day there's very littel scope for debate right now.
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Thustin: No more mandatory P3 for infrastructure funding.
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El Scotch posted:Oh, I do so hope the new Speaker-to-be rules against something brought by Scheer with the words "as my immediate predecessor decided..." Can't wait for Scheer to be ruled out of order in QP. Worst speaker ever?
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I'm so happy right now. Especially since they're going to be sending money out on these things, since otherwise it would have been way to ripe for corruption.
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I'm still waiting for the Libs to start Libbing but so far I'm having to work really hard to keep myself from becoming more than cautiously optimistic.
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Nov 19, 2015 02:17
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Wait for them to not only pass TPP, but double dairy farmer compensation on top of that.
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EvilJoven posted:I'm still waiting for the Libs to start Libbing but so far I'm having to work really hard to keep myself from becoming more than cautiously optimistic. Yeah this change is outstanding, wow
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The Ontario, BC and Quebec libs will just do P3s anyway I'm sure.
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brucio posted:Wait for them to not only pass TPP, but double dairy farmer compensation on top of that. No Canadian (or any other smaller partner) government was ever going to fail to pass TPP hth It dies if and only if the Americans kill it.
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Hey, so about that super wonderful RCMP operation in Victoria that nabbed two random idiots that swagger is always defending: http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story.html?id=11527169
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The RCMP breaking the law to try and prove to the country that they still matter? Why I never!
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Count Roland posted:So not even auctioning off licensees, but only the right to apply. Lets add as many extra layers of bureaucracy as we can to this problem, then go to Montreal and get beer at the local dep. Jesus I thought BC's liquor reforms were bad. They're nothing on the crazy stuff Ontario dreams up. Hey opposition political parties, here's a free idea for your next campaign. Propose completely trashing the status quo of liquor management in favour of a dramatically more relaxed system like in almost every other part of the western world. I guarantee this populist promise will have strong appeal.
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Franks Happy Place posted:Hey, so about that super wonderful RCMP operation in Victoria that nabbed two random idiots that swagger is always defending: They spent millions of dollars and had a shitload of people working this operation, too. Reading about the ordeals in convincing those two idiots to stop getting high and boning and to finally go about procuring materials for a bomb is hilarious. You can feel the frustration at having worked so long/spent so much money on trying to nab two people who very obviously weren't terrorists and were no threat to anyone.
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quote:Their lawyers are asking the court for a stay of proceedings for reasons of entrapment, arguing the RCMP manipulated the pair into carrying out the bomb plot, which they say would never have happened without extensive help from the police. So glad all those police resources were spent on this terrifyingly real national security threat. Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Nov 19, 2015 |
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Aww man, I really want to be a legitimate threat to this country but I just can't buy the right stuff with my current budget. If only someone would lighten my load by buying me tons of free stuff and driving me places, I'm sure I could be a real public danger! oh no, i hope the RCMP didn't just read about my extremist leanings!
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Heavy neutrino posted:I wonder how hard it would be to string the RCMP into paying my transit passes and telecom bills while staying just short of incriminating myself in any way Eventually they would just blow something up thrmselves and say that you did it. This case is amazing and would make for an awesome miniseries Series Finale Spoilers in the final minutes of the season, RCMP officers pull up to the house they've provided to the couple. Officers storm the property, and on the count of 3 officers break down the front door... to find a housewarming party for a young couple going on. Scene then shifts to Nova Scotia, where the couple stand proudly in front if a mansion, a Realtor takes down the For Sale sign Professor Shark fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Nov 19, 2015 |
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