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How many scoring units is "safe"? Three? Four?
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A safe number is probably one scoring unit for every 600 points. I also recommend that after you fill the compulsory choices you look for non compulsory scoring options as they are a bit more specialized. After you have 4 it's debatable if you need more.tallkidwithglasses posted:Sketching together a Blood Angels list right now and here's where I'm at. Going with Furious Charge, seems fitting. The Caestus is pimp, but it costs a lot of points at this point level. Nothing will shoot it down though. Having two death stars at 1500 points isn't that bad and it looks like a fun list. You could take the Onslaught force org so you can drop your rhino squad and use something more interesting. You would benefit a lot from a land raider Proteus or command rhino as it will help your birds make it onto the table on turn 2.
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I think I want to go with Alpha Legion. I like mechanised combined arms lists. This is mostly a list diven by what I would want to paint and own more than functional, but also trying to connect to the fast attack concepts of the Alpha Legion. I wanted either RoT'd Butchers or Mor Deythan snipers. Probably need to make adjustments to wargear. Armillus and the Apothecary ride with the tac blob in the Storm Eagle. I wanted to fit a contemptor but couldn't find room. ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1996pts) ++ + HQ (200pts) + Armillus Dynat (200pts) ··Master of the Legion [The Coils of the Hydra] + Troops (435pts) + Legion Tactical Squad (240pts) [17x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] Legion Tactical Squad (195pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] + Elites (655pts) + Apothecarion Detachment (45pts) [Legion Apothecary] The Rewards of Treason (610pts) ··The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator, 2x Pair of Lightning Claws] ····Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive] + Fast Attack (240pts) + Legion Storm Eagle Assault Gunship (240pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Extra Armour] + Heavy Support (466pts) + Legion Fire Raptor Gunship (241pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Four Hellstrike Missiles, Searchlight] Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron (225pts) [Legion Predator Tank, Legion Predator Tank, Legion Predator Tank] + Legion + Legion Astartes [XX: Alpha Legion]
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Nov 19, 2015 08:27
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Apparently the Mini Wargaming guys are getting into the heresy. Excited to see their min-maxed lists now that 30k is popular with 40k gamers! It'll be as great as reading the walls of text ADB writes over on bolter & chainsword.
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Nov 19, 2015 10:03
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panascope posted:There's a lot of goofy poo poo like that in Forgeworld models. The Dreadclaw requires you to cut the attachment points off a regular drop pod door as part of its assembly. It's a small price to pay to field Baby's First Lord of War. FW also sent me the replacement parts that I was missing for my Sicaran, so that one is now fully assembled and ready to paint 
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Nov 19, 2015 11:32
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I just like that I finally have an excuse to buy a Fellblade and Spartan. Though absolutely not until the Calth box is painted.
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Nov 19, 2015 12:46
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So if i pick up a Calth box and decide to go Word Bearers. Could I proxy my 40k Possessed as Gal Vorbak or are these significantly bigger? Edit: I went to the Dark sphere site this morning. They had new stock in 6 in stock, 10 copies coming in. I went and made a cup of tea and checked my email. Refreshed the page 15 minutes later and they'd all gone. This thing really does seem to be selling like gangbusters. Deptfordx fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Nov 19, 2015 |
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Nov 19, 2015 12:57
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Deptfordx posted:So if i pick up a Calth box and decide to go Word Bearers. Could I proxy my 40k Possessed as Gal Vorbak or are these significantly bigger? It's kinda strange, people pre-ordered the poo poo out of it up here, but there's a ton of copies warming the shelves in stores. I'm not complaining, means more for me when the paycheck rolls in. Also I don't see why you couldn't use the 40k Possessed, any size difference could be passed off as Daemon fuckery and I think there's only about 5 different sculpts between the Forge World ones, as lovely as they are.
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Nov 19, 2015 13:11
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Deptfordx posted:So if i pick up a Calth box and decide to go Word Bearers. Could I proxy my 40k Possessed as Gal Vorbak or are these significantly bigger? They are noticeably bigger, but the only important part is the larger base. 
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Nov 19, 2015 13:28
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I can't tell by eye, is that 40mm or the new 32mm base.
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Nov 19, 2015 13:43
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40mm, they're basically tall terminators.
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In a game system where Psykers appear to be more rare it seems like investing in some Chaos daemons and specifically the Grimoire of True Names might be a good way to bolster a full Gal Vorbak unit, especially if you include Zardu Layak for a Cursed Earth cast. A 2+ invulnerable 2/3rds of the time would really help a giant footslogging unit. Am I crazy or does this seems like a solid way to go?
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Nov 19, 2015 14:00
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SteelMentor posted:It's kinda strange, people pre-ordered the poo poo out of it up here, but there's a ton of copies warming the shelves in stores. I'm not complaining, means more for me when the paycheck rolls in.
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Nov 19, 2015 16:59
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Ghost Hand posted:Ultramarines are badass. Suck it. Hell yeah   My Ultras are looking like they'll be based around two blobs of 20 dudes with Apothecaries. I'll probably want some sniper squads just to mark targets so they get rerolls when shooting, since 40 rerolling bolters seems like they'll put out a pretty punishing amount of fire. I figure the other two squads of 10 I have lying around can either be special weapon or veteran squads, if only so I can paint some crisp white helmets on them. After that I've got a pair of Contemptors, and then I can move on to some heavier fire support like a Sicaran.
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Nov 19, 2015 17:37
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PierreTheMime posted:In a game system where Psykers appear to be more rare it seems like investing in some Chaos daemons and specifically the Grimoire of True Names might be a good way to bolster a full Gal Vorbak unit, especially if you include Zardu Layak for a Cursed Earth cast. A 2+ invulnerable 2/3rds of the time would really help a giant footslogging unit. Zardu Lalafell/Gal Vorbak/Cursed Earth is a very nice combo. Don't think I've seen Grimoire factor into it before, but if it works why not.
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Nov 19, 2015 18:02
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I need a plastic box set for the Mechanicum. That way I can play with Martian robots and not need a split codex to get the full experience.
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So thinking what I might do with a BAC box, plus 40k stuff (Rhino's etc) that I could use I've roughed out The Cataphracti Praetor plus 4 more as a Command squad in a LR Proteus. Shame you don't have Redeemers in 30k, that'd be awesome. 2 x 10 man Veteran tacticals in Rhinos The Contemptor, which I might get hold of a second Kheres for and run as a Mortis. 10 Gal Vorbak (my Possessed, which i'll have to rebase and do some remodelling) Which leaves me 10 models to play around with and convert. That's about 1600 points base, minimally equipped. So what is the standard point size for 30k games that I need to plan for. Anecdotally it seems to be 2000 points is the 1500/1850 of the Heresy game, is that right?
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Star Man posted:I need a plastic box set for the Mechanicum. That way I can play with Martian robots and not need a split codex to get the full experience. Apparently there's some Heresy upgrade kits coming for the Skitarii in the works, which makes me hopeful for some Heresy-era rules for them. Would be nice to run them alongside my Taghmata rather than use them as proxy Tech-Thralls.
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Deptfordx posted:So thinking what I might do with a BAC box, plus 40k stuff (Rhino's etc) that I could use I've roughed out Proteus isn't an assault vehicle. Also I'd consider a ride for your Gal Broback, but I guess you can just deep strike them, right?
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Dammit, I meant the standard LR Phobos which is an assault vehicle, and yep I was thinking deep strike the Gal Vorbak.
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SteelMentor posted:It's kinda strange, people pre-ordered the poo poo out of it up here, but there's a ton of copies warming the shelves in stores. I'm not complaining, means more for me when the paycheck rolls in. Are the Gal Vorbak models single pose then?
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Nov 19, 2015 22:22
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not lame! posted:Are the Gal Vorbak models single pose then? Yes, they are five unique mono-pose models. They're gorgeous but unless you mod them you're going to have doubles. Speaking of, I bought some from eBay late last week with a 3-6 week delivery estimate and got them in the mail today. 
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PierreTheMime posted:Yes, they are five unique mono-pose models. They're gorgeous but unless you mod them you're going to have doubles. Delivery estimates are bullshit. I ordered some alt-heads from over-seas for my Kastellans and the seller told me to expect them in a month. I got them three days later. Meanwhile I sent off a few spare shoulder-pads to a friend down about half a day's drive away and he didn't get them for a month and a half.
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Why I'll just look at Ebay Uk and see if they have any Gal Vor... Whoa £70 for 5 . Ironically the listing doesn't boast about how well painted they are and they are actually pretty well painted. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Warhammer...KQAAOSw14xWKOD3
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The thing with Gal Vorbak is they absolutely tower over any other Legion model, especially if you give their basing a bit of extra polish. Even if you hold that Death Guard down there up so their feet are level, the Word Bearer still has a solid head on him. Many of the joins between parts are fairly smooth, and there are areas that would take a saw pretty well, so there's plenty room to add some variation with a bit of elbow grease. Also, holy poo poo I need to repaint that scythe.
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 I look at reaver/assault squads. Then I look at Locutarus. Then I look back at the reaver squads and assault squads. And then I cry a little. WHY FORGEWORLD. WHY DID YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE ULTRAMARINES ALL THE GOOD RULES.
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Reavers are actually pretty good. They have Outflank by default, an extra attack base, aren't locked into being jump infantry, can take a tremendous amount of special weapons, are easy to turn into troops, and can take a Dreadclaw as a dedicated transport by default.
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someone once posted a how to 30k as raven guard thing a while back anyone have it? I'm trying to figure out how to run mor deythan and failing miserably
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buddy wants to do his with combi flamers in the darkwing, sounds solid enough using their TL-rending ability on a unit.
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Reavers are basically more niche veterans, which are good units in their own rite (see what I did there?). Being able to take them as troops without Pride of the Legion is a big boon.
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Speaking of which, other than Pride of the Legion, which legions have ways of getting units other than tac/assault squads as compulsory troops? I know there's Maloghurst for Reavers and Zardu Lardass for Ashen Circle, do the other legions have anything?
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Shazaminator posted:Speaking of which, other than Pride of the Legion, which legions have ways of getting units other than tac/assault squads as compulsory troops? I know there's Maloghurst for Reavers and Zardu Lardass for Ashen Circle, do the other legions have anything? Sons of Horus: Reavers and Veterans via their RoW. Night Lords: Terror Squads as Compulsory via their RoW. Death Guard: Veterans and Heavy Supports as non-Compulsory via their RoW. Salamanders: Pyroclasts as non-Compulsory via their RoW. Iron Warriors: Tyrants as (non-Compulsory?) via their RoW. There's probably more but I can't remember what the other legions get from their RoW.
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BirdieBedtime posted:The thing with Gal Vorbak is they absolutely tower over any other Legion model, especially if you give their basing a bit of extra polish. Even if you hold that Death Guard down there up so their feet are level, the Word Bearer still has a solid head on him. Many of the joins between parts are fairly smooth, and there are areas that would take a saw pretty well, so there's plenty room to add some variation with a bit of elbow grease. This is truth. I didn't realize until putting them together how big the Gal Vorbak were but the pricetag on them makes a lot more sense seeing them in person. There's no indication of their size on the Forgeworld site and just about every picture I've seen of them is on their own with no sense of scale.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:someone once posted a how to 30k as raven guard thing a while back Having them come in a darkwing duckship seems great.
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Can someone offer any feedback on the Skirmish-type rules that are in HH book 3 (I think?) This thing sounds like my bag, and my club is pretty into the 30K, so I might try and get a campaign going next year. I would want to have Word Bearers incl. Gal Vorbak in my warband, are there any other traitor legions that would fit alongside both thematically and gameplay wise?
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 +++ New Roster (1992pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1992pts) ++ + HQ (497pts) + Legion Centurion (352pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Bolter (2pts), Cameleoline (5pts), Refractor Field (10pts)] ··Castellax Class Battle-Automata Maniple (240pts) [Enhanced Targeting Array (30pts)] ····Castellax (105pts) [Darkfire Cannon (20pts)] ····Castellax (105pts) [Darkfire Cannon (20pts)] ··Consul (35pts) ····Praevian (35pts) [Cortex Controller] Strike Captain Alvarex Maun (145pts) [Cameleoline (5pts)] ··Master of the Legion [Decapitation Strike] + Troops (800pts) + Legion Tactical Squad (260pts) [Legion Tactical Sergeant, 19x Legion Tactical Space Marines (190pts), Nuncio-Vox (10pts)] Legion Tactical Squad (260pts) [Legion Tactical Sergeant, 19x Legion Tactical Space Marines (190pts), Nuncio-Vox (10pts)] Legion Tactical Support Squad (140pts) [5x Legion Space Marines (75pts), Volkite Calivers (25pts)] ··Legion Sergeant [Bolter and Augury Scanner] Legion Tactical Support Squad (140pts) [5x Legion Space Marines (75pts), Volkite Calivers (25pts)] ··Legion Sergeant [Bolter and Augury Scanner] + Elites (580pts) + Apothecarion Detachment (150pts) ··Legion Apothecary (50pts) [Augury Scanner (5pts)] ··Legion Apothecary (50pts) [Augury Scanner (5pts)] ··Legion Apothecary (50pts) [Augury Scanner (5pts)] Legion Mortis Dreadnought (160pts) [Havoc Launcher (15pts), Two Twin-linked Missile Launchers (20pts)] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (270pts) [Legion Veteran Sergeant, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines (135pts), 2x Missile Launcher with Suspensor Web and Flakk Missiles (70pts), Sniper] + Heavy Support (115pts) + Legion Whirlwind Scorpius (115pts) + Legion + Legion Astartes [XIX: Raven Guard] Created with BattleScribe Tank hunters for the Castellax, taking all saves on a comedy t7 2+/5++ invuln/3+ in cover centurion, Maun with the vets, apothecaries with the blobs and the vets gently caress yo reserves
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BULBASAUR posted:I don't know DG that well, but I went through the rules and here are my suggestions: Went back through my list and tried to make this as fluffy as I could for Death Guard. I'm not sure how I can drop the tactical squads though, I thought that vets/heavy support don't count as compulsory troop selections? I've cut back the death star by removing Typhon and I've gone for maximum chem/blast/flamer fun. I also can't justify the cost of a Spartan right now, so I'm sticking with the Phobos which I have. Will need to get some medusas though... +++ Death Guard (2000pts) +++ + HQ (315pts) + Legion Centurion (130pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon] ····Consul [Siege Breaker] Legion Praetor (185pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Iron Halo, The Barbaran Thurible] ····Master of the Legion [The Reaping] + Troops (640pts) + Legion Tactical Squad (170pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Rad Grenades] Legion Tactical Squad (170pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Rad Grenades] Legion Tactical Support Squad (150pts) [Chem-munitions, 4x Legion Space Marines] ····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] ····Legion Sergeant [Rad Grenades] Legion Tactical Support Squad (150pts) [Chem-munitions, 4x Legion Space Marines] ····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] ····Legion Sergeant [Rad Grenades] + Elites (280pts) + Apothecarion Detachment (100pts) ····Legion Apothecary [Augury Scanner] ····Legion Apothecary [Augury Scanner] Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (180pts) [Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons] + Heavy Support (765pts) + Grave Warden Terminator Squad (455pts) [4x Grave Warden Terminator] ····Land Raider Phobos [Dozer Blade] Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (310pts) ····Legion Medusa [Phosphex Shells] ····Legion Medusa [Phosphex Shells]
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Your list is shaping up dude. You are right, I misread your rite of war. Can't take heavy weapon squads as compulsory troops choices  You can take heavy support squads with x10 shredding heavy flamers thought  I like this list more. I would consider dropping the siege breaker and phosphex medusa shells as they are worse than regular shells imo. Also 100 points for apothecaries on smaller squads probably isn't worth it. I'd rather have more bodies in your support squads. You can use those points to get yourself a more meaty HQ or some more anti tank. You could probably fit in a dodo dread or rapier battery to help you punch through heavy armour better. x2 medusas, x3 rapiers, and a mortis is a good mix of support units imo.
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Yeah the Siege Breaker is a lot of points just to open up the Phosphex shells, but those shells scream Death Guard to me I could drop out the Siege Breaker and Apothecaries and add in the Deredeo. This also gives me enough points to put a Paragon Blade on my Praetor. I'm trying to stay at 30 PA marines simply because I don't want to buy another Calth box if I can avoid it: +++ Death Guard (2000pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2000pts) ++ + HQ (195pts) + Legion Praetor (195pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Paragon Blade, The Barbaran Thurible] ····Master of the Legion [The Reaping] + Troops (640pts) + Legion Tactical Squad (170pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Rad Grenades] Legion Tactical Squad (170pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Rad Grenades] Legion Tactical Support Squad (150pts) [Chem-munitions, 4x Legion Space Marines] ····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] ····Legion Sergeant [Rad Grenades] Legion Tactical Support Squad (150pts) [Chem-munitions, 4x Legion Space Marines] ····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] ····Legion Sergeant [Rad Grenades] + Elites (180pts) + Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (180pts) [Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons] + Heavy Support (985pts) + Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (220pts) [Aiolos Missile Launcher] Grave Warden Terminator Squad (455pts) [4x Grave Warden Terminator] ····Land Raider Phobos [Dozer Blade] Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (310pts) [Legion Medusa, Legion Medusa] Thanks for all the advice, helpful Pokemans. I suppose I could get more PA marines off eBay now, I haven't looked at what the MKIV Tac Squads are selling for. TKIY fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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