Pokemon Megathread 6.0: You'd have to have mega stones to not play this.

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ChaosArgate: Oct 10, 2012; Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:05

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# ? May 26, 2024 00:04

compuserved: Mar 20, 2006; Nap Ghost

I just want a Machamp with the No Guard ability that knows Fissure.... please Nintendo... :mrgw:

EDIT:

ChaosArgate posted:

Thanks!

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:07

Silver Falcon: Dec 5, 2005; Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

Filthy Haiku posted:

It's simply speculation, but red and blue had catastrophic, game breaking glitches that could loving brick your game and i can't see them releasing it in that state. The original games were a marvel of pushing the limits of the game boy. It's also fairly safe to assume that they won't have the standard save state features from virtual console.

Pokemon is absolutely a special case, and if you don't think they're going to put the extra effort into making the game stable you're kidding yourself. A lot of re-releases are heavily modified or completely rebuilt with the intent of making a faithful replica that doesn't melt when it calls a certain number.

Yes, these game-breaking glitches that literal legions of 10-year-olds discovered en masse and had their games bricked, resulting in a sea of tears. Which never happened, because most of those "game-breaking glitches" you'd never encounter playing the game normally. The games function fine as a game. Quirky bugs aside. Yes, Toxic stacked with Leech Seed amid a myriad of other problems, but none of those are literally going to break your game.

Even the famous MissingNo glitch didn't break your game unless you were dumb enough to actually catch the thing, and even if you did, releasing it usually fixed the problem.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:10

mabels big day: Feb 25, 2012

Pretend I went through that list point by point and said "that's good actually" for each one.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:11

I am Reverend: Sep 21, 2008; Pheromosa's Special Attack rose!

mabels big day posted:

Gen 1 hyper beam and counter mechanics should be features, not bugs. In future Pokemon installments, I mean.

My dream mega evolution is a mega Tauros with an ability that reverts the game to Gen 1 mechanics whenever it's out. Auto-embargo, Hyper Beam is physical and doesn't have to recharge on kill, earthquake hits levitators, his critical rate becomes like 25% or whatever stupid poo poo it was, etc.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:14

No Dignity: Oct 15, 2007

ChaosArgate posted:

I love that Grimer sprite

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:15

Filthy Haiku: Oct 22, 2010; i am shattering like glass

but at least
i have

springy ride

If you think Nintendo is just going to slap rby into an emulator and sell them for twice as much as any other GB game without severely tidying up the code, when they're teasing new features, after announcing it in a direct I don't know what to tell you.

I had snot faced 11 year old friends who completely wrecked their carts, so I don't know what you're talking about. The more harmful glitches were still easily encounterable. They were acceptable at release back in the day, but to rerelease as a big anniversary event? They're going to fix poo poo.

Filthy Haiku fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Nov 19, 2015

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:25

Silver Falcon: Dec 5, 2005; Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

You know what we should be talking about? We should be talking about what Pok�mon to use to take best advantage of all those broken mechanics.

Bulbasaur might be the best starter to use, since he learns Leech Seed and you can teach him Toxic. Or use one of the other inferior grass/poison types.

Tauros with Hyper beam. Maybe a Gyarados too because Gyarados rules and you can buy Hyper Beam TMs (I think?)

Dragonite with Thunder Wave and Wrap. Dratini starts with these moves. It just ain't fair! He also learns Hyper Beam.

Something with Amnesia to make itself an unkillable god of killing with no effort.

Something fast with a frequent crit move, but not Focus Energy, of course. Maybe a Jolteon and just watch it crit forever. Toss in something with Blizzard too.

And an Alakazam, because Alakazam was the biggest dick and psychic was the best type back then.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:27

Filthy Haiku: Oct 22, 2010; i am shattering like glass

but at least
i have

springy ride

Silver Falcon posted:

You know what we should be talking about? We should be talking about what Pokémon to use to take best advantage of all those broken mechanics.

Oh yeah definitely; Persian was a critical hit machine, high speed contributed to crit and fast sweepers could rush everything down.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:33

Araxxor: Oct 20, 2012; My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

At best they're gonna fix the stuff that might cause problems for the actual 3DS or stuff that would cause the VC game to flat out stop functioning. But fixing every last bug in there? No way, that would be considered a waste of resources on their part. Some minor bugs slip through in games because people really couldn't be bothered to fix them unless the bug is severe.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:33

mandatory lesbian: Dec 18, 2012

Silver Falcon posted:

You know what we should be talking about? We should be talking about what Pok�mon to use to take best advantage of all those broken mechanics.

Bulbasaur might be the best starter to use, since he learns Leech Seed and you can teach him Toxic. Or use one of the other inferior grass/poison types.

Tauros with Hyper beam. Maybe a Gyarados too because Gyarados rules and you can buy Hyper Beam TMs (I think?)

Dragonite with Thunder Wave and Wrap. Dratini starts with these moves. It just ain't fair! He also learns Hyper Beam.

Something with Amnesia to make itself an unkillable god of killing with no effort.

Something fast with a frequent crit move, but not Focus Energy, of course. Maybe a Jolteon and just watch it crit forever. Toss in something with Blizzard too.

And an Alakazam, because Alakazam was the biggest dick and psychic was the best type back then.

these games are 20 years old it's not like everyone doesn't know the best stuff already

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:35

Zombie Chow: Jun 17, 2010; We interrupt this program to increase dramatic tension.

Weren't some of the bugs fixed in Yellow? Maybe they will just base some of the code on Yellow and call it a day.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:37

mabels big day: Feb 25, 2012

Silver Falcon posted:

You know what we should be talking about? We should be talking about what Pokémon to use to take best advantage of all those broken mechanics.

Bulbasaur might be the best starter to use, since he learns Leech Seed and you can teach him Toxic. Or use one of the other inferior grass/poison types.

Tauros with Hyper beam. Maybe a Gyarados too because Gyarados rules and you can buy Hyper Beam TMs (I think?)

Dragonite with Thunder Wave and Wrap. Dratini starts with these moves. It just ain't fair! He also learns Hyper Beam.

Something with Amnesia to make itself an unkillable god of killing with no effort.

Something fast with a frequent crit move, but not Focus Energy, of course. Maybe a Jolteon and just watch it crit forever. Toss in something with Blizzard too.

And an Alakazam, because Alakazam was the biggest dick and psychic was the best type back then.

Leech seed + toxic is not as broken as you'd think, as its easy to switch out of and with so many powerful pokemon its better to just hit hard. Dragonite works best with Agility and Wrap instead of thunder wave, as it nullifies the speed loss from paralysis. Gyarados isn't that great because he doesn't get STAB on Hyper Beam, but Tauros is probably the strongest gen 1 Pokemon by itself.

Persian and Jolteon are the best abusers of crits, especially Persian, as Slash will almost always crit. If you want to abuse Amnesia, look no further than Slowbro.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:41

Silver Falcon: Dec 5, 2005; Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

mabels big day posted:

Leech seed + toxic is not as broken as you'd think, as its easy to switch out of and with so many powerful pokemon its better to just hit hard. Dragonite works best with Agility and Wrap instead of thunder wave, as it nullifies the speed loss from paralysis. Gyarados isn't that great because he doesn't get STAB on Hyper Beam, but Tauros is probably the strongest gen 1 Pokemon by itself.

Persian and Jolteon are the best abusers of crits, especially Persian, as Slash will almost always crit. If you want to abuse Amnesia, look no further than Slowbro.

Does the AI ever switch, though? I think only the Jugglers did with any consistency.

So... best bet for using the game's brokenness against it: Charizard (because why not?), Tauros, Persian, Jolteon, Dragonite, Slowbro?

Interesting team, that. Getting excited here.

mandatory lesbian posted:

these games are 20 years old it's not like everyone doesn't know the best stuff already

Aww, don't be a killjoy.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:45

Filthy Haiku: Oct 22, 2010; i am shattering like glass

but at least
i have

springy ride

Or you could agility too much and roll over to 1 :downs:

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:45

Rudoku: Jun 15, 2003; Damn I need a drink...

Amnesia Golduck was my poo poo back then. I hope the put Stadium on the VC somehow.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:52

No Dignity: Oct 15, 2007

I am going to pick Charmander and feel great about using Charizard without dedicated entry hazard backup

# ? Nov 19, 2015 20:55

Zonekeeper: Oct 27, 2007

If they're going to put effort into the R/B rereleases beyond adding the Wifi trading, hopefully they'll add the Super Gameboy colors/borders. I hate that GB Donkey Kong is missing the SGB enhancements.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 21:02

mabels big day: Feb 25, 2012

Silver Falcon posted:

Does the AI ever switch, though? I think only the Jugglers did with any consistency.

So... best bet for using the game's brokenness against it: Charizard (because why not?), Tauros, Persian, Jolteon, Dragonite, Slowbro?

Interesting team, that. Getting excited here.

Aww, don't be a killjoy.

Ah, sorry, I was thinking against other people. Just use OHKO moves + X Accuracy and make sure your mon is faster and you'll never miss.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 21:08

Joramun: Dec 1, 2011; No man has need of candles when the Sun awaits him.

Silver Falcon posted:

Bulbasaur might be the best starter to use, since he learns Leech Seed and you can teach him Toxic. Or use one of the other inferior grass/poison types.

Victreebel is actually the #1 Grass/Poison type in gen I and the only one in OU. It's the top-ranked Grass-type in the game along with Exeggutor and the top-ranked Poison-type along with Gengar.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 22:21

I am Reverend: Sep 21, 2008; Pheromosa's Special Attack rose!

Joramun posted:

Victreebel is actually the #1 Grass/Poison type in gen I and the only one in OU. It's the top-ranked Grass-type in the game along with Exeggutor and the top-ranked Poison-type along with Gengar.

Victreebel is hella good almost entirely because Razor Leaf is like the sickest move in RBY. 109% crit rate on Victreebel apparently so 110 BP that ignores Amnesia lmao. It's also the reason why you always pick Bulbasaur as your starter, it's good against like every gym leader except Sabrina and Blaine. Oh and because it learns Sleep Powder too which was also broken in that game.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 22:35

Silver Falcon: Dec 5, 2005; Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

Joramun posted:

Victreebel is actually the #1 Grass/Poison type in gen I and the only one in OU. It's the top-ranked Grass-type in the game along with Exeggutor and the top-ranked Poison-type along with Gengar.

What, really? I never knew that! I always thought it was just an inferior Venusaur.

Still, Persian > Victreebell especially if you pick Bulbasaur, so I think I'll go with Blue.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 22:49

Lazy_Liberal: Sep 17, 2005; These stones are precious

ChaosArgate posted:

Oh god this brings me back to the time I told my charmeleon to use rage against snorlax and just hit the button for like an hour until snorlax finally ran out of pp for rest or whatever.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 23:16

WrightOfWay: Jul 24, 2010

Persian and Victreebel aren't really similar. Persian is a late game sweeper that can clean up heavily weakened teams. Victreebel is a mixed set up sweeper.

I don't really like Persian. Tauros does pretty much everything Persian does but better. Sure, Slash hits harder than Body Slam but Tauros doesn't get hard walled by Gengar and can actually take hits, which allows it to win a lot of last pokemon standing fights if you can keep it healthy until late game.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 23:28

Zore: Sep 21, 2010; willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d�etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Lazy_Liberal posted:

Oh god this brings me back to the time I told my charmeleon to use rage against snorlax and just hit the button for like an hour until snorlax finally ran out of pp for rest or whatever.

So, fun fact about Gen 1 that picture doesn't mention.

Enemy pokemon don't actually have PP. They can spam their moves forever.

They also have two AI settings, "Use one of the moves I have at random"- most things, or "Always use a move with a typing that will do super-effective damage if possible"- Gym Leaders/E-4

Which is why if you bring a posion type to fight Lance his Dragonite will use Agility forever.

# ? Nov 19, 2015 23:28

Lazy_Liberal: Sep 17, 2005; These stones are precious

Zore posted:

So, fun fact about Gen 1 that picture doesn't mention.

Enemy pokemon don't actually have PP. They can spam their moves forever.

They also have two AI settings, "Use one of the moves I have at random"- most things, or "Always use a move with a typing that will do super-effective damage if possible"- Gym Leaders/E-4

Which is why if you bring a posion type to fight Lance his Dragonite will use Agility forever.

You're right! I think I had to wait for snorlax to body slam charmelon to death.

# ? Nov 20, 2015 00:44

ChaosArgate: Oct 10, 2012; Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

Zore posted:

So, fun fact about Gen 1 that picture doesn't mention.

Enemy pokemon don't actually have PP. They can spam their moves forever.

They also have two AI settings, "Use one of the moves I have at random"- most things, or "Always use a move with a typing that will do super-effective damage if possible"- Gym Leaders/E-4

Which is why if you bring a posion type to fight Lance his Dragonite will use Agility forever.

Last time I played Red, it was a Nuzlocke and I was getting worried that I would get Hyper Beamed to death, so I figured I could do Leech Seed and Toxic with my Venusaur to keep regaining life and stall it out. Then Dragonite refused to attack.

# ? Nov 20, 2015 01:33

The Bee: Nov 25, 2012; Making his way to the ring . . .
from Deep in the Jungle . . .

The Big Monkey!

Zore posted:

So, fun fact about Gen 1 that picture doesn't mention.

Enemy pokemon don't actually have PP. They can spam their moves forever.

They also have two AI settings, "Use one of the moves I have at random"- most things, or "Always use a move with a typing that will do super-effective damage if possible"- Gym Leaders/E-4

Which is why if you bring a posion type to fight Lance his Dragonite will use Agility forever.

And that's how Twitch Plays Pokemon pulled off the ultimate upset.

# ? Nov 20, 2015 01:44

Twelve by Pies: May 4, 2012; Again a very likpatous story

I am Reverend posted:

My dream mega evolution is a mega Tauros with an ability that reverts the game to Gen 1 mechanics whenever it's out. Auto-embargo, Hyper Beam is physical and doesn't have to recharge on kill, earthquake hits levitators, his critical rate becomes like 25% or whatever stupid poo poo it was, etc.

There's a fanmade Pokemon game where Porygon gets a move called Glitch Field or something that turns all the game mechanics into Gen I's, which is pretty neat.

# ? Nov 20, 2015 03:50

BlazetheInferno: Jun 6, 2015

Twelve by Pies posted:

There's a fanmade Pokemon game where Porygon gets a move called Glitch Field or something that turns all the game mechanics into Gen I's, which is pretty neat.

That... that is AMAZING.

# ? Nov 20, 2015 03:52

Countblanc: Apr 20, 2005; _{Help a hero out!}

# ? Nov 20, 2015 04:01

mabels big day: Feb 25, 2012

Lazy_Liberal posted:

Oh god this brings me back to the time I told my charmeleon to use rage against snorlax and just hit the button for like an hour until snorlax finally ran out of pp for rest or whatever.

this has happened to me as well, though it was on my Articuno that I taught Rage because I thought Rage was a cool move. Anyway the point is I wanted to try the move out and it missed and I was stuck using it forever on a pokemon 30 levels lower than me, completely at the mercy of waiting for it to finally kill me.

# ? Nov 20, 2015 04:21

Araxxor: Oct 20, 2012; My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

You couldn't just reset? :v:

From what I've heard about Super Mystery Dungeon, it sounds good and I'm pretty excited for it.

# ? Nov 20, 2015 04:28

Twelve by Pies: May 4, 2012; Again a very likpatous story

BlazetheInferno posted:

That... that is AMAZING.

Found it through Google, it's from Pokemon Reborn. It's not all mechanics into Gen I's but it's a decent amount.

http://www.pokemonreborn.com/game/fields.html#24

# ? Nov 20, 2015 04:49

mabels big day: Feb 25, 2012

just started playing PSMD and I took the personality test. It put me as Jolly, which I usually end up getting, and in the old games that was Totodile. But this time... it gave me Oshawott, the absolute worst piece of poo poo starter ever made. But I can't back down, I have to respect the test.....

# ? Nov 20, 2015 06:12

Red Metal: Oct 23, 2012; Let me tell you about Homestuck; Fun Shoe

mabels big day posted:

Oshawott, the absolute worst piece of poo poo starter ever made

# ? Nov 20, 2015 06:20

Kurieg: Jul 19, 2012; RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20

Twelve by Pies posted:

Found it through Google, it's from Pokemon Reborn. It's not all mechanics into Gen I's but it's a decent amount.

http://www.pokemonreborn.com/game/fields.html#24

I get that the ashy beach is supposed to be referencing something, but I can't figure out what.

# ? Nov 20, 2015 06:30