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El Cid
Mar 17, 2005

What good is power when you're too wise to use it?
Grimey Drawer
I didn't like Fallout New Vegas because the character I was playing was a loving father searching for his son, but the game didn't allow me to ever mention my son as the reason I am wandering the Mojave. Really dropped the ball on that one, Obsidian.

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2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
Your son's name is Chip

Ramos
Jul 3, 2012


El Cid posted:

I didn't like Fallout New Vegas because the character I was playing was a loving father searching for his son, but the game didn't allow me to ever mention my son as the reason I am wandering the Mojave. Really dropped the ball on that one, Obsidian.



Anyway, been playing Hearthstone. As anyone could tell you, there's a new card called Reno. When you play him, if your deck has no duplicate cards remaining in it, you get a full life restore. However, most cards would have an orange glow about them when they're active, Reno doesn't because apparently the team that makes the game has no idea how to check a list for duplicates. This means that you either pencil things out, get a deck tracker, or make a deck with absolutely no duplicates in its starting list what so ever.

The card technically isn't any less powerful, but it's still really obnoxious to use.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


I finally installed New Vegas this morning and why do I have to go and finish the job? The game is set in a rough and tumble wasteland where I got shot in the face and buried once. Why would I assume that isn't what would happen again? My guy would just cut his losses and leave but noooooooooo I have to actually follow the story and do poo poo? gently caress you Obsidian. How dare you interfere with my RP as a guy who wouldn't want to risk death again.,

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Ramos posted:



Anyway, been playing Hearthstone. As anyone could tell you, there's a new card called Reno. When you play him, if your deck has no duplicate cards remaining in it, you get a full life restore. However, most cards would have an orange glow about them when they're active, Reno doesn't because apparently the team that makes the game has no idea how to check a list for duplicates. This means that you either pencil things out, get a deck tracker, or make a deck with absolutely no duplicates in its starting list what so ever.

The card technically isn't any less powerful, but it's still really obnoxious to use.

Hooray for bare-bones development teams!

Death Zebra
May 14, 2014

My memory on this is vague but when I played Tenchu 3 I felt like Rikimaru was deliberately pulling his attacks to lower his range. I didn't even bother to finish it until a few years after. That and my constantly getting spotted was pissing me off as I had Grandmastered the first 2 games pretty easily.

Also, farming specialists is getting to be a pain the balls in Disgaea 2. I haven't even gotten one lv2000 gladiator and apparently you need multiple lv.19998 for just one character.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

Please continue to write the exact same contentless strawman directed at nobody for several more pages.


So I've been playing a lot of vermintide recently and there are these hook rats who will grab one player and drag them away. They're basically a combination of the jockey and smoker from left 4 dead. The problem is that their characteristics make them way more dangerous than any of the other special enemies, and a single one of them at the wrong time can completely end a run (especially if the game decides to gently caress you over with two at once). They don't seem to be staggerable in any way, they're almost completely silent over the rest of the sound effects while other specials have very loud and distinct audio cues, they're the least visually-distinct special so they're hard to see in the middle of a crowd of normal rats, they're extremely fast, and the way they drag players means you can only get a clear shot on them if there's no other rats in the way. This is a rarity since a single 20 minute level can end with over 500 dead rats. It gets worse on the top two difficulties where there's friendly fire on ranged attacks, so you also have to make sure you aren't shooting the person getting dragged.

They can hook people from on top of an overhang as you pass under them, and if someone gets grabbed after the rest of their team has jumped down a one-way drop, that player is dead. It's pretty bullshit in a game where ranged attacks are very limited and they move so goddamn fast that catching up to them in melee through the swarm can be next to impossible. Even worse, if they drag someone far enough away they'll leave them hanging from the hook, magically get a new one, and go after another player. They can hook players almost instantly so I've had too many games end because one hook rat (or sometimes two at once even) will silently and invisibly sneak through a swarm of rats and drag off the front line player who was holding them back with a shield.

Vermintide is awesome but sometimes the situations it throws at you are just not fair, and these things are almost always involved when that happens.

Grey Fox
Jan 5, 2004

Ramos posted:

Anyway, been playing Hearthstone. As anyone could tell you, there's a new card called Reno. When you play him, if your deck has no duplicate cards remaining in it, you get a full life restore. However, most cards would have an orange glow about them when they're active, Reno doesn't because apparently the team that makes the game has no idea how to check a list for duplicates. This means that you either pencil things out, get a deck tracker, or make a deck with absolutely no duplicates in its starting list what so ever.

The card technically isn't any less powerful, but it's still really obnoxious to use.
Did they actually say why it's that way? Because requiring complete deck awareness sounds like an interesting way to balance what sounds like a pretty powerful ability.

edit: a lot of funny Hearthstone moments come from people loving up combos and strats, so it wouldn't surprise me if it were intentional

Ramos
Jul 3, 2012


Grey Fox posted:

Did they actually say why it's that way? Because requiring complete deck awareness sounds like an interesting way to balance what sounds like a pretty powerful ability.

edit: a lot of funny Hearthstone moments come from people loving up combos and strats, so it wouldn't surprise me if it were intentional

Here's the catch, Hearthstone devs currently allow for overlays to be used, which usually track your deck. This makes it really easy to check if you've got Reno online. No real deck awareness necessary, just watch the side bar. However, this isn't available to phone and tablet users, which makes things innately unfair for them, whereas if you're on the computer, you can simply choose not to use the program.

And really, the devs haven't given any reason for why Reno doesn't glow beyond, "We might implement it down the line". It's just another case where of arbitrariness because of a small dev team.

And honestly, deck awareness is a skill, but not one the game should really be testing directly.

13Pandora13
Nov 5, 2008

I've got tiiits that swingle dangle dingle




El Cid posted:

I didn't like Fallout New Vegas because the character I was playing was a loving father searching for his son, but the game didn't allow me to ever mention my son as the reason I am wandering the Mojave. Really dropped the ball on that one, Obsidian.

You should have found that drifter with a guitar hanging out by a random billboard looking for his dad.

Since it's "spergy" to complain about the narrowness of options in FO4, the lack of really snarky dialog is a bummer. There is some (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_i6Ewj1cLk) but by and large it's played pretty straight and it kind of has to be. Like, how big of an rear end in a top hat are you really going to risk being when finding your babby is on the line?

I'm just sayin', there's no "tell the leader of the NRC you're going to gently caress his men with a rocket barrage and throw him over the side of Hoover Dam," type options and it'd be better if there were/it was appropriate to the setting of the game.

les enfants Terrific!
Dec 12, 2008

Atasnaya Vaflja posted:

The fact that the kid's name is Shaun reminds me of Heavy Rain and being reminded of Heavy Rain is never a good thing. That is a thing dragging it down.

Also the fact that I don't have a button to scream the kid's name with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0WxK4SZHdM

I'm happy to discover that the Nexus has fixed this issue for me so now the only thing dragging Fallout 4 down for me is everything else.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Taeke posted:

A thing dragging a game down and a thing preventing you from enjoying it are two entirely separate things
No they aren't. "Dragging it down" does imply ruining it.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Tiggum posted:

No they aren't. "Dragging it down" does imply ruining it.

Yes, but generally not enough to keep people from playing it like Sonic Boom. It refers to a flaw, an imperfection that makes things less enjoyable. Going out to dinner for a Birthday and receiving an overcooked steak is dragging down the experience. The same scenario ending with a family member dying is ruining everything.

I replayed Paper Mario The Thousand Year door a few days ago and found out there's no fast travel system anywhere in the game. I just totally forgot. There've been like seven Pokemon games in that time so it's not like the idea of items that warp you out of dungeons is a new idea. So once you get to the last dungeon either beat the boss or walk allllllllllllll the way back to the beginning.

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Action Tortoise
Feb 18, 2012

A wolf howls.
I know how he feels.

RareAcumen posted:

Yes, but generally not enough to keep people from playing it like Sonic Boom. It refers to a flaw, an imperfection that makes things less enjoyable. Going out to dinner for a Birthday and receiving an overcooked steak is dragging down the experience. The same scenario ending with a family member dying is ruining everything.

:yikes:

Taeke posted:

I'm not even that bothered, and I can't handle the responsibility of having my own thread to take care off, but I thought someone more qualified might be interested/willing.

that last thing i put in about complaints riling you up wasn't directed at you, sorry if it sounded like it. it was a general statement.

you can make the thread and leave it up to the people posting in it to see where it goes. this thread's gone on without having a game stricken from discussion. it's only really bad when people start taking sides over dumb poo poo. whenever that started to happen i used to throw in a complaint from another game to take the momentum off that topic, but sometimes you gotta directly tell some people to relax.

princecoo
Sep 3, 2009

Tiggum posted:

No they aren't. "Dragging it down" does imply ruining it.

No? I think the forced narrative of Fallout 4 drags the game down in comparison to previous entries of the series, but it doesn't ruin the game. I'm still really enjoying it.

Fallout 4 doesn't make settler assigned jobs easily trackable, which drags the game down (because it seems like being able to do that would be both easy and makes sense). It in no way ruins the game.

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received

Why does this fucker evolve at level 37 and why is his base special attack so low?

At least it learns Fire Blast for no good reason.

bewilderment
Nov 22, 2007
man what



Len posted:

I finally installed New Vegas this morning and why do I have to go and finish the job? The game is set in a rough and tumble wasteland where I got shot in the face and buried once. Why would I assume that isn't what would happen again? My guy would just cut his losses and leave but noooooooooo I have to actually follow the story and do poo poo? gently caress you Obsidian. How dare you interfere with my RP as a guy who wouldn't want to risk death again.,

I think in New Vegas for the most part you can actually ignore the main plot pretty hard if you want.
Rush to New Vegas as fast as you can by whatever means, go tell Mr House "hey sorry I lost your chip, bye", then as soon as you leave you can just go hang out with the NCR and go "hey, bring civilisation over to this hellhole please, tell me what you need done".
Or you can just live out your days gambling on the Strip or shooting geckos near Goodsprings.

(I'm aware this is a joke, but NV is pretty free about letting you do whatever. Should've just let you trigger joining the NCR without ever touching House or Benny.)

13Pandora13
Nov 5, 2008

I've got tiiits that swingle dangle dingle




Len posted:

I finally installed New Vegas this morning and why do I have to go and finish the job? The game is set in a rough and tumble wasteland where I got shot in the face and buried once. Why would I assume that isn't what would happen again? My guy would just cut his losses and leave but noooooooooo I have to actually follow the story and do poo poo? gently caress you Obsidian. How dare you interfere with my RP as a guy who wouldn't want to risk death again.,

Side with Caesar. Then wear the Burned Man's armor into camp and rub it in his face.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012







I'm sure it's not more than anything significant like 10% or something but TF2's more racist than I'd prefer it to be.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

bewilderment posted:

I think in New Vegas for the most part you can actually ignore the main plot pretty hard if you want.
Rush to New Vegas as fast as you can by whatever means, go tell Mr House "hey sorry I lost your chip, bye", then as soon as you leave you can just go hang out with the NCR and go "hey, bring civilisation over to this hellhole please, tell me what you need done".
Or you can just live out your days gambling on the Strip or shooting geckos near Goodsprings.

(I'm aware this is a joke, but NV is pretty free about letting you do whatever. Should've just let you trigger joining the NCR without ever touching House or Benny.)

You don't have to meet Benny to beat the game with the NCR, though you do have to go meet House. Still, you can kill him immediately if you like.

Action Tortoise
Feb 18, 2012

A wolf howls.
I know how he feels.

RareAcumen posted:




I'm sure it's not more than anything significant like 10% or something but TF2's more racist than I'd prefer it to be.

not pictured: the demo with 15 health left spamming the 'E' key.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Tiggum posted:

No they aren't. "Dragging it down" does imply ruining it.

This explains so much about so many of your posts.

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Thing dragging down Fallout 4 for me is how fast important gameplay tips and mechanics pop up and disappear on the left side of the screen AND (AFAIK) there's no way to review them. Had to look up how to get out of the power armor, had to look up settlement building controls, etc.

It just feels really sloppy. I shouldn't have to turn to the internet to look up basic poo poo, especially when there's literally an in-game computer you wear on your arm that would be the perfect solution for this.

Red Minjo
Oct 20, 2010

Out of the houses, which is the most blue?

The answer might not be be obvious at first.

Gravy Boat 2k
There's a help option in the menu. I used it to figure out how to wait. (you have to sit on a chair or couch now.)

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money
Radstorms. In fallout 4 there are radioactive storms, which aren't a bad idea until you realize that radiation is remarkably deadly in fallout 4 and having a gigantic storm over the entire map you're in, and the only way to avoid it is to fast travel away from this side of the state for like half an hour, is a great way to gently caress you over because radiation builds up super fast in 4 and reduces your max HP until you remove it. To make them even more obnoxious they fill the entire area with a dense green fog making it harder to see in than Dark Souls' blight town.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

Away all Goats posted:

Thing dragging down Fallout 4 for me is how fast important gameplay tips and mechanics pop up and disappear on the left side of the screen AND (AFAIK) there's no way to review them. Had to look up how to get out of the power armor, had to look up settlement building controls, etc.

It just feels really sloppy. I shouldn't have to turn to the internet to look up basic poo poo, especially when there's literally an in-game computer you wear on your arm that would be the perfect solution for this.

Everything I've needed to look up has been in the help option on the menu, which is pretty exhaustive. But it's really not good at communicating how anything works outside of that menu. I shouldn't have to go there just to see how to get out of power armor. At least it's not a problem that comes up ever again once you know how things work.

Inco
Apr 3, 2009

I have been working out! My modem is broken and my phone eats half the posts I try to make, including all the posts I've tried to make here. I'll try this one more time.
The immersive cover mechanic appears in Fallout 4, but it's really clunky compared to FarCry 3/4 and Wolfenstein: The New Order. I haven't been able to fire over cover, and it seems to have a lot of problems returning me to cover after I stop aiming.

MisterBibs
Jul 17, 2010

dolla dolla
bill y'all
Fun Shoe
I've been playing a game on my tablet, Dragon Mania Legends, for a while now. Fun little time waster, doesn't ask for money too drastically. (I mean, it does ask for money, but I've dropped little compared to what they offer.)

Loaded it today to find a graphical error (dragons and dragon eggs replaced with placeholder images) making everything unplayable. Game keeps telling me that I just need to download a 0.0mb update (that fails, naturally).

I just wanna play my stupid dragon breeding game, dammit :(

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Because clearly Call of Duty games don't have enough poo poo that kills you instantly while you're helpless to do much when a match snowballs, the specialist system in Black Ops 3 adds an extra layer, see I guess someone at Treyarch really likes Destiny so they introduced a similar system to the supers from that game, you have both your killstreaks as well your super or specialist ability and their as stupid as the supers in Destiny are, granted CoD games are the furthest thing from balanced but the supers are just retarded, once again another thing added where you THINK you're totally gonna get that guy but nope, he pushed 2 buttons, you're dead.

Some of them are kind of sort of balanced in the sense that you have either long range weapon or a defense measure, others are just kind of no brainers, do I pick the 6 round one shot kill, pierces cover revolver or the ability that gives me a few extra points for kills, do I go with the ability that makes clones that will only fool people once or the 160 round machine gun that has no damage drop-off.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

MisterBibs posted:

I've been playing a game on my tablet

I play one, Rune Story, and they released a new series of four player stages that replaced the old ones, which were really good for farming points during competitive events, and have so many enemies in a confined space that anyone who isn't playing on a top of the line phone is prone to crashing almost instantly. :shepicide:

Now if you excuse me I need to go breed some dragons now that I know this game exists.

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

Ramos posted:

And really, the devs haven't given any reason for why Reno doesn't glow beyond, "We might implement it down the line". It's just another case where of arbitrariness because of a small dev team.

https://twitter.com/bdbrode/status/665688369406447616
tl;dr it puts a lot of stress on the server, but they are looking into it

Ramos
Jul 3, 2012


Mierenneuker posted:

https://twitter.com/bdbrode/status/665688369406447616
tl;dr it puts a lot of stress on the server, but they are looking into it

Um, am I reading this right? That's an n factorial algorithm. Either someone was lazy as poo poo or they suck at their job.

edit: No wait, that's just n squared. Still, there's a lot better ways to do that check.

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Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


Alteisen posted:

Because clearly Call of Duty games don't have enough poo poo that kills you instantly while you're helpless to do much when a match snowballs, the specialist system in Black Ops 3 adds an extra layer, see I guess someone at Treyarch really likes Destiny so they introduced a similar system to the supers from that game, you have both your killstreaks as well your super or specialist ability and their as stupid as the supers in Destiny are, granted CoD games are the furthest thing from balanced but the supers are just retarded, once again another thing added where you THINK you're totally gonna get that guy but nope, he pushed 2 buttons, you're dead.

Some of them are kind of sort of balanced in the sense that you have either long range weapon or a defense measure, others are just kind of no brainers, do I pick the 6 round one shot kill, pierces cover revolver or the ability that gives me a few extra points for kills, do I go with the ability that makes clones that will only fool people once or the 160 round machine gun that has no damage drop-off.

Do you go with the Revolver that has shots that require you to have perfect aim or the Bow that shoots explosive arrows which let you kill multiple people without a direct hit

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


Ocarina of Time can't overtake LTTP as the better Zelda to me. The quests to get upgrades and optional items are so much busywork to the point that by getting the reward you've proven you don't need the thing. ALTTP is refreshing because it's straight-forward in finding secrets: bomb this wall, dig that hole, go through that back-door. The mini-games don't require too much skill and don't require you to learn to learn a whole new-mechanic like fishing. Hyrule Field is really boring to traverse because it feels like a wide-open golf-course. Since you'll be riding through this one field again and again the entire game it sort of feels like you never leave home. It makes me appreciate the Zelda-inspired Okami as that game felt huge by having multiple regions and hubs.

Is A Link Between Worlds worth it if you're less fond of Ocarina than LTTP?

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Grey Fox
Jan 5, 2004

Inspector Gesicht posted:

Is A Link Between Worlds worth it if you're less fond of Ocarina than LTTP?
I'd say yes. LBW feels like a sequel to LTTP in that you're working with a lot of similar mechanics, but everything has been modified/updated to provide an experience that's familiar but not carbon copied.

Ramos
Jul 3, 2012


It's also very big on rewarding you for exploring nooks and crannies and doesn't keep you constantly on rails. So yeah, exactly what you want.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Fried Watermelon posted:

Do you go with the Revolver that has shots that require you to have perfect aim or the Bow that shoots explosive arrows which let you kill multiple people without a direct hit

The one that comes with the hottest avatar, obviously.



(The robot.)

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

I am cool.

Inspector Gesicht posted:

Is A Link Between Worlds worth it if you're less fond of Ocarina than LTTP?

A Link Between Worlds is very heavily modeled on A Link to the Past, but is mechanically more modern and competent. It's a really worthy sequel and probably the best Zelda game this millennium.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

RyokoTK posted:

A Link Between Worlds is very heavily modeled on A Link to the Past, but is mechanically more modern and competent. It's a really worthy sequel and probably the best Zelda game this millennium.

Yeah, LBW is amazingly good and the best Zelda since LTTP.

Also it has a really good soundtrack :yayclod:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4rocqojewM

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Fingerless Gloves
May 21, 2011

... aaand also go away and don't come back
All of you people forgetting Majora's Mask is what's dragging me down rn.

In Downwell, sometimes bats spawn against ledges. When you go to jump on them there's a really big chance that you just land on the ledge instead, loving up your combo.

Also levitate style makes the other styles irrelevant.

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