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rydiafan posted:
its much better than drinking from the wrong grail I can tell you!
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VideoGames posted:its much better than drinking from the wrong grail I can tell you! You're late
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Nov 20, 2015 11:28
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:drat, first he gets head protection that's hosed up, then when he goes on a treasure hunt he gets the wrong glass and dies of supremely old age. But he also turned out to be more powerful than anyone could imagine. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2034679/ You should totally watch it, it's a great little short film.
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Nov 20, 2015 11:56
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syscall girl posted:You're late im always late 
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Nov 20, 2015 12:29
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I think Vader would be a pretty chill boss to directly report to. He'd want you to do a task and just doesn't give a poo poo how you do it. He probably spares no expense
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Nov 20, 2015 16:04
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rydiafan posted:
He chose poorly.
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Nov 20, 2015 16:32
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Krinkle posted:This is really hard to parse, to the point I believe your phone is auto-correcting too much, but I think I get what you're saying, and I don't accept the prequel movies as canon so that whole "there must always be two sith" thing, or the sith in general, to me, is Extended Universe nonsense that doesn't apply. I think people are so stunned by the double whammy of Jar Jar Binks and Jake Lloyd that they've forgotten what Yoda said. He didn't say there were only two Sith, just that there were always two - if you found one, you knew he wasn't alone.
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Nov 20, 2015 16:48
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Nah, it was actually meant to be a literal there's only ever 2 Darths thing.
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Nov 20, 2015 16:55
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I really wish Star Wars would be more like the Bioware games where you kinda had both good guys and bad guys on both sides. The Sith are just pretty much evil and the Jedi are good, but it'd be much more interesting if it was like the Jedi are all order and the Sith are all chaos. Like sometimes chaos is evil but not always, sometimes order can be evil too. The Jedi don't allow themselves to fall in love (well they're not supposed to) and you could explore the difference between their philosophies, the Jedi as quiet monks upholding the law, while the Sith are passionate and radical. I wanna see Sith who love each other and use their love to fuel their dark side power. And I wanna see Jedi who are fascists. Anakin pretty much gets there where his passion for Amidala is what gives him power, and the movies do flirt with the idea, but then they always boil down to Sith Evil, Jedi Good because its a movie so morality has to be black and white. 
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Nov 20, 2015 16:56
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Jedit posted:I think people are so stunned by the double whammy of Jar Jar Binks and Jake Lloyd that they've forgotten what Yoda said. He didn't say there were only two Sith, just that there were always two - if you found one, you knew he wasn't alone. Yoda posted:Always two there are....no more...no less. A master and an I googled the script. It does appear that there's supposed to be 2 and only 2 Sith at any given time, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense but whatever.
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Nov 20, 2015 17:08
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DiseasedTempest posted:I googled the script. It does appear that there's supposed to be 2 and only 2 Sith at any given time, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense but whatever. ...have you seriously never heard of the rule of two? http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rule_of_Two Its kinda a big deal and really fundamental to the Sith? Its existed forever so I don't know how you haven't heard of it. It was a big deal in the old republic era and then kinda fell out for awhile and then kinda came back during the OT and then kinda went away again based on who was writing the time period in question. Krinkle posted:This is really hard to parse, to the point I believe your phone is auto-correcting too much, but I think I get what you're saying, and I don't accept the prequel movies as canon so that whole "there must always be two sith" thing, or the sith in general, to me, is Extended Universe nonsense that doesn't apply. Dude the sith are like literally evil wizards. The rule of two says only have two evil wizards, a master wizard and an apprentice wizard to take over his power when he dies (at the hands of the apprentice lol) Obviously you're still free to have all the henchmen you want, and you can even have an entire Empire with officers and stuff. You just don't train anybody else in the ways of the dark side of the force until one of the two of you bites the dust. Which makes total sense because they're loving Sith and they're chaos wizards and if you have a bunch of them they all end up in-fighting and not accomplishing much. If you wanted you could have a ton of "Sith Younglings" around even, as long as you don't actually teach them any dark side force powers until one of the two existing sith lords dies. The only problem I can see with the rule of two at all is what if both of you were killed at the same time. Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 17:22 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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Nov 20, 2015 17:17
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"How have you not heard of this dumb bullshit that only exists in the Star Wars expanded universe?" - A Reasonable Person
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Nov 20, 2015 17:25
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Zaphod42 posted:...have you seriously never heard of the rule of two? The sources on that page are all expanded universe stuff, though; the only time one of the actual movies is cited, it's to say that Dooku was Yoda's former padawan. The only master-sith we ever see in the movies didn't even follow the rule of two, according to the wiki you just linked. Maybe it's super fundamental to the expanded universe books, but it isn't a big deal in the films, which is what the vast majority of people are familiar with. e/f/b
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Nov 20, 2015 17:26
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Yeah...was this rule ever established in the movies, besides the Yoda line I just quoted?
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Nov 20, 2015 17:27
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It's just one of those stupid things that would have been a good storytelling opportunity but Goerge Lucas refuses to accidentally write something decent. "Oh, so when the prophecy stated that anakin would bring balance to the force, maybe it actually meant that he would even out the numbers of jedi and sith! Perhaps balance means both philosophies co-existing in equal numbers!" "No, it just meant the normal way when he killed the emperor."
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Nov 20, 2015 17:28
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e: gently caress youuuuu ^^^^^^^ So Anakin actually came pretty close to being the chosen one to bring balance to the force when he slaughtered the other Jedi and the Jedi kids so there were only a couple light side guys left huh.
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Nov 20, 2015 17:29
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DiseasedTempest posted:Yeah...was this rule ever established in the movies, besides the Yoda line I just quoted? "Was this ever mentioned except the time it was mentioned"  I don't understand the question. Yoda saying that line was Lucas recognizing the rule of two was a part of Star Wars.
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Nov 20, 2015 17:31
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Zaphod42 posted:"Was this ever mentioned except the time it was mentioned" The point is that you're acting like this is some big deal everyone obviously should've known about when the only reference in the movies (ie: the things that actually matter) is a single throwaway line.
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Nov 20, 2015 17:32
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Lady Naga posted:The point is that you're acting like this is some big deal everyone obviously should've known about when the only reference in the movies (ie: the things that actually matter) is a single throwaway line. Sorry I assume that with the internet and stuff most people have at least heard a little about the EU if they're into starwars. I haven't read many of the EU books but I've heard a ton of things here and there, like the death of Chewbacca. I would think a lot of people have heard about it (how dumb it was) even though I haven't read the book and I don't think most people have. Admittedly the whole thing is probably just people trying to retcon and make sense of having tons of Jedi in the prequel trilogy but only a couple Sith in the OT or the prequels. It just became a thing. The relationship between Palpatine and Vader served as a template for the rest of the Sith and it grew from there.
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Nov 20, 2015 17:34
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Ignite Memories posted:It's just one of those stupid things that would have been a good storytelling opportunity but Goerge Lucas refuses to accidentally write something decent. The Clone Wars series actually made it that, apparently.
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Nov 20, 2015 17:49
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Aphrodite posted:The Clone Wars series actually made it that, apparently. The good clone wars or the bad clone wars? (God I wish they used different names for them) AKA the animated one or the CG one?
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I don't know. I only read it on that wiki. The newer cartoon, I assume. Anakin apparently meets literal manifestations of the Dark and Light sides, and another character who keeps them in check. The prophecy is supposed to be that he takes over for the guy or something. Obviously he does not.
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Jesus guys, the prequels are worse then the majority of the extended universe books and that IS saying a lot. Ignore anything that occurs in them and fill in whatever blanks you want as its guaranteed to be better thought out then Lucas's garbage drafts he filmed.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:42
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Not being beholden to "canon" is good advice in general. Free your mind.
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If we're going EU, Vader's secret apprentice made 3 total sith during Force Unleashed.
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Nutsngum posted:Jesus guys, the prequels are worse then the majority of the extended universe books and that IS saying a lot. Ignore anything that occurs in them and fill in whatever blanks you want as its guaranteed to be better thought out then Lucas's garbage drafts he filmed. Actually the prequels are okay and the EU would be better used as toilet paper.
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Nov 20, 2015 19:33
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Elfgames posted:Actually the prequels are okay and the EU would be better used as toilet paper. No matter how many times Luke "reached out with the force," there are some things you just don't say.
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Nov 20, 2015 20:20
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Come to think of it, if you could use the force you wouldn't need toilet paper, would you. Just force push that poop off your butt straight into the 'fresher
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AnonSpore posted:Come to think of it, if you could use the force you wouldn't need toilet paper, would you. Just force push that poop off your butt straight into the 'fresher Sorry, in the Star Wars universe, toilets are called "sani-bowls", as in, "Don't forget to liqui-vacuate the sani-bowl when you're done"
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Patattack posted:Sorry, in the Star Wars universe, toilets are called "sani-bowls", as in, "Don't forget to liqui-vacuate the sani-bowl when you're done" No they're actually, literally, called 'freshers.
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AnonSpore posted:Come to think of it, if you could use the force you wouldn't need toilet paper, would you. Just force push that poop off your butt straight into the 'fresher He doesn't know about the three seashells
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Nov 20, 2015 21:32
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Starwars EU is goofy as poo poo. LOok at this loving nonsense: This picture makes me belly laugh every time I look directly at it. Why are you even blocking his lightsaber just chop his dumb huge tail! You're standing on it! What the heck? They wrote a book about the only hutt to ever become a jedi how he took over a planet with his powers to make sand storms (don't hutts take over planets anyway? With hookers and blackjack?)
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Nov 20, 2015 22:56
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Krinkle posted:This picture makes me belly laugh every time I look directly at it. Why are you even blocking his lightsaber just chop his dumb huge tail! You're standing on it! What the heck? To be fair this is how literally every swordfight in Hollywood looks like to me. Why are you swinging at his sword? Why won't you move your feet? Look, he has his back to you now, why are you waiting instead of taking this gigantic opportunity to kill him? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw
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I like the fighting in the matrix because it looks stiff, which should be irritating but actually fits well with the we're-in-a-computer-program story
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darkhand posted:I like the fighting in the matrix because it looks stiff, which should be irritating but actually fits well with the we're-in-a-computer-program story The dojo scene in the first Matrix is still fun as hell to watch, the swoop-swoop-swoop noise that Morpheus makes when switching stances with footwork is still great
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Zaphod42 posted:Sorry I assume that with the internet and stuff most people have at least heard a little about the EU if they're into starwars. I haven't read many of the EU books but I've heard a ton of things here and there, like the death of Chewbacca. I would think a lot of people have heard about it (how dumb it was) even though I haven't read the book and I don't think most people have. Speaking of book-Chewie how was Chewbacca even handled in the Star Wars books? Like... do authors just always have someone around to translate for him? It just doesn't seem like it would feel right if he had directly translated lines in the book, like "'Oh no, look out, a Storm Trooper!' roared Chewie".
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El Cid posted:Speaking of book-Chewie how was Chewbacca even handled in the Star Wars books? Like... do authors just always have someone around to translate for him? It just doesn't seem like it would feel right if he had directly translated lines in the book, like "'Oh no, look out, a Storm Trooper!' roared Chewie". Yeah usually Han or Lando or whoever just translated for him.
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Krinkle posted:Starwars EU is goofy as poo poo. LOok at this loving nonsense: Did you want the dumbass answer? Beldorion there had a hypnotic gaze that made jedi minds all clouded and lovely. It didn't work especially well on Leia because she's not a fully trained jedi and she was drugged at the time. So after a second of flailing around because she's not great at lightsabers she does chop him right in half.
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AnonSpore posted:No they're actually, literally, called 'freshers. Dammit. Truth is stranger than fiction.
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theironjef posted:Did you want the dumbass answer? Beldorion there had a hypnotic gaze that made jedi minds all clouded and lovely. It didn't work especially well on Leia because she's not a fully trained jedi and she was drugged at the time. So after a second of flailing around because she's not great at lightsabers she does chop him right in half. I find it's always really satisfying when the protagonists are hypnotized and drugged to explain their terrible decisions. Thanks for a satisfying end to the mystery.
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