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I had fun discovering those at sears when i parked a truck in a lift with a tine gap to the posts; they crunched into the lift post when i opened the door. 
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I like that Mazda's have become the benchmark for rust seemingly across Canada. If you see a similar year Mazda to your car rusting then you know you've got one, maybe two years tops before you need to start worrying.
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davebo posted:Well my heart goes out to all you who have to deal with that. My 2002 Monte Carlo I had over 10 years and never once saw an automated car wash. I'd only wash it in my driveway so it'd get nothing between late fall and spring. By the time I got rid of it the undercarriage was a little worn but the paint was still great. Can't imagine paint bubbling so early. Yeah it's pretty crazy looking at those photos - my first gen 3 lives outside and is generally neglected but doesn't have anything worse than some cosmetic rust around stone chips on the roof. I'd hate to live somewhere where I had to worry about the whole car disintegrating.
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Nov 21, 2015 10:01
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Seat Safety Switch posted:The Japanese are still absolutely terrible at understanding concepts like "complex folds of metal trap moisture," "don't put huge rubber strips with no drainage against body metal directly in the way of salt spray," and "rockers that are designed to trap moisture will rot out really loving quickly," even as they've approached complex subjects such as "don't vent moisture from the rear windows directly into the inside of the loving quarter panels" and "don't drill into galvanized and e-dipped metal with pot metal tek screws to install model badges." Aren't most cars in the Japanese home market retired and exported before they get to more than 30k miles, anyway?
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Nov 21, 2015 15:36
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8ender posted:I like that Mazda's have become the benchmark for rust seemingly across Canada. If you see a similar year Mazda to your car rusting then you know you've got one, maybe two years tops before you need to start worrying. IDK mazdas seem to rust far, far worse than any other car brand. My e46 has some *minor* rust spots and most mazdas from 2001 don't even exist anymore. My ex had a '98 civic that is still going strong with little rust. I would never own a mazda daily around here.
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MrYenko posted:Aren't most cars in the Japanese home market retired and exported before they get to more than 30k miles, anyway? No.
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Isn't Japan pretty mild anyway? Yeah but it seems that Mazdas and Nissans (until recently) rust really badly. Certain American cars rot pretty badly, the Germans seem to the best for body integrity but there are always exceptions.
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Nov 21, 2015 17:36
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I've never been so glad to live outside the rust belt. My '94 Chevy has a
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Audi in particular used to rust-proof the poo poo out of their cars.
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Nov 21, 2015 17:45
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Frank Dillinger posted:Audi in particular used to rust-proof the poo poo out of their cars. Some of their cars. The really primo poo poo in the late 80s got multiple layers of full immersion galvanization dip plus cavity wax plus a gajillion layers of paint. I've seen some super mint daily-driver Audis; ones from that era usually get junked because CIS-E gotta CIS-E. Unfortunately it doesn't extend to like the first-gen Quattro or the various VW abortion models they made, which rotted like crazy.
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The 5000s/100/200 seem to hold up very well.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Isn't Japan pretty mild anyway? Yeah but it seems that Mazdas and Nissans (until recently) rust really badly. Certain American cars rot pretty badly, the Germans seem to the best for body integrity but there are always exceptions. Dodge still hasn't figured out weld through primer, it seems. There's an 09 ram in town with this kind of dodge rust.  The E39 seems nearly pretty solid, but i've got a little rust on the bottom of my doors, and a little chunk starting on the quarter pannel where the bumper clip rubs. underneath it looks brand new though. Germany gets it. America gets it but thinks cars are disposable so doesn't put the money into it. Japan still hasn't figured it out.
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American built Mazdas and Subarus have no rust problems. It's some combination of Japan being a mild climate and the month of salt spray when the car is on the transport. Here's a thread about rust on 2014-15 Mazda3s, only the Japanese built ones are affected, the Mexican built ones are fine. http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?79615-Gen3-Rust-already/page5 The new FIAT 126 will be perfect in every way.
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Throatwarbler posted:American built Mazdas and Subarus have no rust problems. It's some combination of Japan being a mild climate and the month of salt spray when the car is on the transport. Here's a thread about rust on 2014-15 Mazda3s, only the Japanese built ones are affected, the Mexican built ones are fine. I'm gonna be 100% honest, I did not expect that. I figured they would be shipped enclosed, but looking at pictures of the Cougar Ace disaster most of the low-margin cars appear to be shipped aboveground on the RORO. Judging from the thread sounds like it might also be bad design on the sedans, because Mazda still doesn't understand the concept of "don't let salt water pool on partially exposed spot welds." Guessing there might be a silent recall for Mazda dealers to pump that area full of fluid film, which Canadian Mazda dealers won't do and then bill Mazda corporate for their time. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Nov 21, 2015 |
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Nov 21, 2015 18:36
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I would not call all of Japan mild weatherwise. The northern parts have quite cold weather and plenty of snow. Tokyo is probably similar to the US mid Atlantic region. My Tacoma still has rust forming above the wheel wells at 16 years and ~240k miles.
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Mercury Ballistic posted:I would not call all of Japan mild weatherwise. The northern parts have quite cold weather and plenty of snow. Tokyo is probably similar to the US mid Atlantic region. My Tacoma still has rust forming above the wheel wells at 16 years and ~240k miles. Toyota, rusty truck frames excepted, seem to do ok. There were a lot of pretty good condition 92-96 camrys (which were made in ky) running around Minnesota when I moved out in 09.
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I had an 8 year old Protege in Winnipeg that was completely hosed from rust. They stopped using salt and moved to sand a few years ago, but it really doesn't seem to make much difference. Snow and ice build up everywhere and water pools in places it has no business being. Had to replace the rear suspension stuff, every bolt had to be cut off. The lift points crumpled under load and rear fenders were mostly held together by paint. Everything rusts, no matter what. 90s pickups rust like nobody's business right under the radiatior, and good luck trying to ever find a rust free tailgate. Everybody's rockers are completely hosed. The worst part is all the really fun 80s/90s cars never stood a chance and long ago rusted into nothing. Really sucks not being able to get an old 323 or Hilux or VW anything. They're apparently looking into using beet sugar on the roads instead of salt, though.
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Mercury Ballistic posted:I would not call all of Japan mild weatherwise. The northern parts have quite cold weather and plenty of snow. Tokyo is probably similar to the US mid Atlantic region. My Tacoma still has rust forming above the wheel wells at 16 years and ~240k miles. I've never seen body rust like that example posted on a Japanese imported car. They do get under body rust but curiously this is usually on Nissans rather than Mazdas (the March/Micra and Tiida/Versa being particularly bad).
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If it were just wetness that is the problem for rust then we'd be hosed in the PNW, but rusted out cars are extremely rare around here. There are SO many 15-20+ year old cars around that are still in one piece and daily driven. You could throw a rock blindfolded and chances are you'd hit a mid-90s Subaru, Volvo, or generic Japanese economy car. Even going up to the mountains and ski resorts where there is snow (but still no salt) you see lots of old beaters but still very little rust. I've bought several 15 year old used cars and rust is almost a non-fear. If you see a rusted out car it's almost certainly because the car came from a salt-the-roads state, or the car was in an accident. It's definitely the salt that kills cars. Guinness fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Nov 21, 2015 |
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Nov 21, 2015 21:28
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Sometimes I worry about my Protege because the trunk lip is a little swiss-cheesed around the top (which I really need to fill and re-paint) and there's a couple paint chips with surface rust on the exposed metal. Then I see you salt-belt people with your stories and I feel better.
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Guinness posted:If it were just wetness that is the problem for rust then we'd be hosed in the PNW, but rusted out cars are extremely rare around here. There are SO many 15-20+ year old cars around that are still in one piece and daily driven. You could throw a rock blindfolded and chances are you'd hit a mid-90s Subaru, Volvo, or generic Japanese economy car. My 88 Toyota pickup has a quarter sized rust bubble on the passenger side bed near a seam. It has been there about 8 years. Probably should fix that some day. PNW btw.
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dissss posted:I've never seen body rust like that example posted on a Japanese imported car. Add to that elgrand and especially presage, I've seen rear subframes ripped out of the body on those.
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Guinness posted:If it were just wetness that is the problem for rust then we'd be hosed in the PNW, but rusted out cars are extremely rare around here. There are SO many 15-20+ year old cars around that are still in one piece and daily driven. You could throw a rock blindfolded and chances are you'd hit a mid-90s Subaru, Volvo, or generic Japanese economy car. Yeah, little rust in the PNW. Moss on the other hand...
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Give me a mossy car over a rusty one any day.
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Moss is just patina in WA
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Meydey posted:Moss is just patina in WA Car fuzz. 
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Nobody ever broke a bolt head or disintegrated their subframe from moss. Also, parking your car in a garage basically eliminates crap like moss. Not so much for salt rust. Guinness fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Nov 22, 2015 |
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Some hip desert kid car culture starts collecting old subarus and deliberately misting their cars with water and moss spores and keeping them under tarps to develop that PNW patina and people in the Northwest are like wtf why would you deliberately do that.
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I'm guessing it's an old dodge with left hand thread on one side and right hand thread on the other?
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Cragar SS wheels were/are used on everything from old Mustangs to new Challengers.
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The reason why a lot of 20+ year old Japanese cars up for export don't have rust underneath is because Japan doesn't use salt on their roads... ...in some areas. If you're buying a car from way up North then it'll probably have some form of rust, Hokkaido uses salt, Nagano uses it which apparently attracts deer onto the roads, they just don't use a fuckton of it like other places around the world do. The cities use some chemical composition which is how they keep places from grinding to a complete halt, other places use grit without salt so buying an import is somewhat of a lottery depending on where the car's come from.
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There's no snow here at all, and no salt on the roads, but here in west australia we do all live near the coast, and things rust badly just from that. I used to be in HVAC and heaps of air cons would rust just because they are near the sea shore, 5+ km inland, no rust. Rust is really bad on wall mounting brackets, the steel outdoor unit or compressor, and even the printed circuit boards and components. I used to drive my mazda/ford courier four wheeling on the beach and it never got rust strangely enough. And holy poo poo, ford of australia used to be useless in the and rust out even though we don't have snow and salt on the roads. It wasn't until they formed a partnership with mazda that ford au got better at paint jobs and rust prevention, so it's funny to read that mazda over there are still the worst at rusting out. Fo3 fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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Up in Quebec they salt the poo poo out of the roads too, but I've never had any problems on my civics. Never bothered with rustproofing, never really had any appear. I was told that this is because it was street parked all its life. Apparently placing your car in the garage accelerates the rusting reaction because of the higher temperatures? Does this make any sense?
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Un chien andalou posted:Up in Quebec they salt the poo poo out of the roads too, but I've never had any problems on my civics. Never bothered with rustproofing, never really had any appear. I was told that this is because it was street parked all its life. Apparently placing your car in the garage accelerates the rusting reaction because of the higher temperatures? Sort of, but not for the reasons you stated. The "recipe" for rust is water moisture and oxygen. Salt (specifically the chloride) accelerates it. So if you drag a snow covered car into a garage and all that snow melts off, you got a super damp environment for your car to chill in. Out on the curb it's sitting in freezing dry air and never really gets wet.
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Guinness posted:If it were just wetness that is the problem for rust then we'd be hosed in the PNW, but rusted out cars are extremely rare around here. There are SO many 15-20+ year old cars around that are still in one piece and daily driven. You could throw a rock blindfolded and chances are you'd hit a mid-90s Subaru, Volvo, or generic Japanese economy car. not surprising for the Volvos, since they've hot-dip galvanized their bodies since the 80s.
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xzzy posted:Sort of, but not for the reasons you stated. The "recipe" for rust is water moisture and oxygen. Salt (specifically the chloride) accelerates it. So throw a Mini-split in the garage and you're good to go?  As someone who lives in a relatively rust free area (Florida) has anyone designed a garage door activated cleaning system? Seems like with a solenoid and and some piping you could come up with a sprayer system to hose off the bottom/sides of the car as you pulled in.
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Or giant garbage bags with DO NOT EAT printed on them and filled with silica gel. A garage heater might work good too, they're super common in the great white north and are loving awesome.
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este posted:This prompted to me to ask my wife what kind of cutter machine she bought a few years back, and long story short I can totally start making my own terrible vinyl stickers! Best one I've seen so far is "silliest" in the same font. Second would be "Sortaflush" in the Hellaflush font. edit: and I'm totally getting one of those cheap cutters, just for this sort of thing.
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Those ones on amazon aren't cheap. I can cut 24" vinyl for not much more than that, just get one of these. http://www.uscutter.com/Vinyl-Cutter-Starter-Kit Plus you get all kinds of vinyl and other stuff you need to start making offensive stickers.
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