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Fried Chicken posted:Live in Indiana for a while and you will come to find exactly how accurate that show is. It is very easy to do a 1 to 1 map of things they mocked there, and things people in Indiana really do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYdt4UikO1o
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fishmech posted:No American citizens have an actual right to own guns, so 14,000 of them not being able to buy new ones is in fact irrelevant. This is dumb and bad Whether or not you think there's a right to own guns doesn't really matter. What matters is that under law people do, so taking that right away without judicial process establishes a precedent that would make it easier to take away other rights without due process, because a court would have to listen to the argument "Hey, this was ok for this constitutional right, so it's ok for these other constitutional rights." This is especially a concern since the Heller decision has explicitly ruled gun ownership as a constitutional right, so there's fairly limited legal wiggle room. And at that point suddenly people on the Terror Watch List don't get trials any more or have their homes searched without warrants -- all things, incidentally, that the average Trump voter would probably support right now, so this debate isn't purely theoretical. Said another way I honestly don't care what you think, in abstract Fishmech land, are "real" rights or "fake" rights or whatever. I care about what actual American courts would listen to in the real world. (Of course, there's the argument then that American courts would overturn these laws. But that's a gamble at best because 1) courts don't always follow the law, and 2) getting justice in our legal system is expensive and takes time, especially when the right to access the court in the first place is part of the issue).
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GalacticAcid posted:So now we know why Ted Cruz wanted to build a wall on the Canadian border. I thought that was Scott Walker though? I mean, both of them look like someone held a lighter to their faces and melted their faces, so I can understand the confusion.
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size1one posted:You're right, but there's still enough private sellers that you're not prevented from buying firearms in any practical sense. You can also find a private seller on one of numerous online classified sites. You're not even limited in terms of choice of weapon. Here's 200+ AR15s and AK47s available from private sellers, and that's just virginia Thus further illustrating there's no need to shed crocodile tears over it being slightly harder for some people to get guns. Hieronymous Alloy posted:This is dumb and bad You can't take away a right when it never existed. There's never been a real right to own guns, there never will be either. Especially again considering that these poor oppressed people can walk into practically any gun show in the country for their murder toy if Bob the local gun store owner won't sell to them. American courts used to defend the "right" to treat people as chattel too, so needless to say it's not a good guide on whether things the founding slave owners were ok with are truly valid in the space year 2015, capiche? We live in a country where gun ownership averages to over 4 guns per person who owns a gun. This isn't rights, it's lunacy. fishmech fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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fishmech posted:No American citizens have an actual right to own guns, so 14,000 of them not being able to buy new ones is in fact irrelevant. DeusExMachinima posted:The due process clause is in the Fifth and it actually does apply whether or not the forbidden activity you've been accused of is an enumerated right, sorry.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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I'm baffled as to why people keep engaging with Fishmech.
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Since guns you don't own yet aren't your rightful property, the 5th doesn't apply. Sorry gun lovers. There's a lot of people you can't rent a car to either, big whoop.
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It's weird, you somehow understand the problem, but not the premise 
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Imo guns should be illegal and confiscated, but it still seems bad to restrict their ownership outside of due process?
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Fried Chicken posted:So hey, you know that part in Bioshock 3, where they substitute Founding Fathers into religious tableaus and iconography? And how this is used as a stark way of pointing out that the group has adopted a similar form of Franco's Christian Fascism, marrying nativism, national mythos, and fundamentalist christianity into an authoritarian power system? And how the whole thing is meant as an over the top satire of veneration of historical figures and a criticism of such authoritarian tendencies? You may want to avoid visiting the Capitol then. 
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SSNeoman posted:It's weird, you somehow understand the problem, but not the premise The only problem is the proposal doesn't go far enough. Make a list with at least 315 million more people, for instance, and check against that.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I'm baffled as to why people keep engaging with Fishmech. Same terrible compulsion that forces people to gaze into the Ark of the Covenant, I assume.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I'm baffled as to why people keep engaging with Fishmech. I'm a very casual D&D reader, and never understood what Fishmech represented until now. Like, I'm as much in favor of restricting the right to bear arms as the next hyperleftist goon, but I also value things like constitutional law, jurisprudence, due process and the other trappings that come with constitutional interpretation and individual rights and liberties. I'd rather ban all guns in a way that makes Scalia choke on his own ideology; it is far more elegant and satisfying.
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Ah, yes, combat knives, one of the most regulated industries in America
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Full Battle Rattle posted:Ah, yes, combat knives, one of the most regulated industries in America Switchblades were once banned in almost every state, and even today are still banned in most. No one said combat knives though. Similarly it's common for carrying a real sword around to be punished more than carrying a gun, and let's not even get into what goes on if you want to have most forms of bombs, or hell, fireworks in many jurisdictions.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Are there progressives in this thread seriously arguing any effort revolving around the no-fly list should involve anything besides demanding its immediate non-existence? Conservatives are still the best at rapidly and loudly denouncing their stated principles when they become connected to a term on their established bogeyman list, but it's not because progressives don't try too.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I'm baffled as to why people keep engaging with Fishmech. It's like moths to a very dumb and pedantic flame.
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quote:The U.S. Constitution does not adequately define "arms". When it was adopted, "arms" included muzzle-loaded muskets and pistols, swords, knives, bows with arrows, and spears. However, a common- law definition would be "light infantry weapons which can be carried and used, together with ammunition, by a single militiaman, functionally equivalent to those commonly used by infantrymen in land warfare." That certainly includes modern rifles and handguns, full-auto machine guns and shotguns, grenade and grenade launchers, flares, smoke, tear gas, incendiary rounds, and anti-tank weapons, but not heavy artillery, rockets, or bombs, or lethal chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. Somewhere in between we need to draw the line. The standard has to be that "arms" includes weapons which would enable citizens to effectively resist government tyranny, but the precise line will be drawn politically rather than constitutionally. The rule should be that "arms" includes all light infantry weapons that do not cause mass destruction. If we follow the rule that personal rights should be interpreted broadly and governmental powers narrowly, which was the intention of the Framers, instead of the reverse, then "arms" must be interpreted broadly. from https://www.constitution.org
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fishmech posted:The only problem is the proposal doesn't go far enough. Make a list with at least 315 million more people, for instance, and check against that. Just give them your list of all 322 million Americans you hate and the problem should be sorted out, then. We can write your name in the margins, don't worry.
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Has this been posted yet? A Black Lives Matter protester was beaten at a Trump rally. Trump later voiced support for it saying ‘Maybe he should have been roughed up’quote:Mercutio Southall Jr. — a well-known local activist who has been repeatedly arrested while fighting what he says is unfair treatment of blacks — interrupted Trump’s rally and could be heard shouting, “Black lives matter!” A fight broke out, prompting Trump to briefly halt his remarks and demand the removal of Southall. Red and Black fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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Hahaha what a wonderful source. I would like to donate to this wonderful group of constitutional scholars. How would I go about that? Oh, here we go: quote:Make them payable to "Jon Roland, trustee for the Constitution Society", or to one of our other trustees. Do not make checks payable to "Constitution Society". We don't have a bank account for the Constitution Society, and don't intend to get one unless or until we can find a banking institution independent of government control that does business in gold or silver. We can't accept checks made payable only to "Constitution Society". It is our principled position that banks on state territory that denominate in Federal Reserve "dollars" are unconstitutional. On state territory only gold or silver are constitutional legal tender, although we would accept certificates for gold or silver. RON PAUL 2012 AUDIT THE FED
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For those few who were still saying that Kasich was the sane one... http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/kasich-proposes-new-government-agency-promote-judeo-christian-values-n465101 quote:
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Litany Unheard posted:Hahaha what a wonderful source. I would like to donate to this wonderful group of constitutional scholars. How would I go about that? Oh, here we go: Ugh, this isn't as fun as watching fishmech immediately fly off the handle. Way to loving go, killjoy.
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Chantilly Say posted:Just give them your list of all 322 million Americans you hate and the problem should be sorted out, then. We can write your name in the margins, don't worry. Here's a list of every citizen of the country. It's also the list of everyone who should need actual, specific reasons to have a gun, and the list of everyone who shouldn't be able to get a gun just willy nilly. And it's the list of people who it's ok to refuse to allow a gun sale to.
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Litany Unheard posted:RON PAUL 2012 AUDIT THE FED Why the gently caress would you wanna audit the fed?
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Edit: ^^^^ Or bait this guy. He at least switches up his gimmick every now and again. Though it's been a bit heavy on the anti-Muslim stuff lately.Full Battle Rattle posted:Ugh, this isn't as fun as watching fishmech immediately fly off the handle. Way to loving go, killjoy. Just click the question mark under his username and read the billion other times he went on a pedantic tirade. Besides baiting him is like fishing in a barrel with dynamite. Why even bother? Wicked Them Beats fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:Why the gently caress would you wanna audit the fed?
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Does it already get audited like multiple times per year? Is this the common GOP belief that if no wrongdoing was found, the investigation never took place?
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Epic High Five posted:Does it already get audited like multiple times per year? Is this the common GOP belief that if no wrongdoing was found, the investigation never took place?
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fishmech posted:Here's a list of every citizen of the country. It's also the list of everyone who should need actual, specific reasons to have a gun, and the list of everyone who shouldn't be able to get a gun just willy nilly. And it's the list of people who it's ok to refuse to allow a gun sale to. Sir, is this list handwritten? And why is it simply titled "WHINY CHILDREN WHO AREN'T AS SMART AS ME"
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What happened to Nintendo Kid?Toph Bei Fong posted:For those few who were still saying that Kasich was the sane one... Someone tell Kasich that Radio Free Europe still exists.
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The "audit the fed" thing is primarily based on people believing that the federal reserve stuff is just making things up any real investigation would therefore quickly lead to disbandment and the immediate resumption of the gold standard.
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There are a number of exceptions written into law that protects information from being released/disclosed by an audit of the Federal Reserve. Here's what's currently excluded from an audit:quote:(1) transactions for or with a foreign central bank, government of a foreign country, or nonprivate international financing organization; I suppose the argument for keeping this info privileged is that the Fed needs to do some things behind closed doors in order for their actions to be effective, or so that their actions can be done free from too much political pressure.
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Wow, a whole state of "that kid." Does everyone also run with their arms behind their backs?
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Litany Unheard posted:Edit: ^^^^ Or bait this guy. He at least switches up his gimmick every now and again. Though it's been a bit heavy on the anti-Muslim stuff lately. Fishing in a barrel with dynamite sounds really loving rad
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gradenko_2000 posted:What happened to Nintendo Kid? Original Flavor Fishmech is back from the gaschamber.
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Full Battle Rattle posted:Fishing in a barrel with dynamite sounds really loving rad
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Audit the Fed is the magic spell fiat money is weak against. It's in the same school of magic as gold fringe and writing your name in caps to prevent judicial power.
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JT Jag posted:The novelty wears off surprisingly fast Not if you use shoddily-made barrels
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