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quote:NOTE (11/12/2015) – The next update is very long and will require a lot of time to complete. Please consider CQ to be on break for a few weeks. Thanks for your patience! Aw. Something to look forward to, I guess.
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http://cucumber.gigidigi.com/cq/page-692/ SIX PAGES BUCKLE THE gently caress UP
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Nov 22, 2015 04:54
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NK unironically listens to Linken Park
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Nov 22, 2015 05:02
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Weeell gently caress. To do what he wants and what he knows is right, he'd have to sacrifice his only friends. Yeah, yeah that'll do it 
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Nov 22, 2015 05:02
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Not quite the hostage situation I had in mind.
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Nov 22, 2015 05:07
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Oh. OHHHHHHHH.
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Nov 22, 2015 05:10
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This is really sad, ya'll.
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Nov 22, 2015 05:16
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...Oh. Oh dear.
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Nov 22, 2015 05:17
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So the Disaster Masters probably know some varying amount of the truth about this. Glitchmaster at least seems to know the whole thing and so her motives come out of wanting to survive above all else. I wonder if it would be possible for her to gain enough power herself to ursurp the Knightmare Night and not be dependent upon him to survive.
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Nov 22, 2015 05:17
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Tendales posted:Oh. OHHHHHHHH. Yeah that's the worst part. This makes a painful amount of sense because it's not actually adding that much new information. Just a few tiny details atop what we already knew.
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Nov 22, 2015 05:29
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Jeeeeeeez louise. That's a rough deal NK
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Nov 22, 2015 05:31
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I'm really glad we got this all at once, it wouldn't have had the same impact spread out across a 1-2 weeks.
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Nov 22, 2015 05:40
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Wow, that's rough. Wonder how Cucumber and co. would react to a revelation like that.
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Nov 22, 2015 05:55
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nooooo gigi why do you hate my emotions so
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Nov 22, 2015 06:31
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The other side of the coin: How much does the Oracle know about this, and how does it factor into her plans? I want this to turn into Nightmare Knight and Princess Parfait adventures, on a quest to save his kids/minions/friends. But that will never happen as that is a bad idea, and this comic is on a good idea streak.
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Nov 22, 2015 15:09
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While the comics explain his motivation, it doesn't really explain his origin. Is he some primal force of nature? An outsider like Cordelia? Something else entirely? A Jungian construct based on the collective fears of all of Dreamside? The comics seem to imply he happened to show up one day and go on his evil spree, 'cuz. Is his behavior truly a choice he makes or is it a fundamental part of his being? To be completely trapped by your very nature despite your own wishes is a hard existential dilemma to have to cope with for 500k years. NK might be the most sympathetic character in the entire cast.
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Nov 22, 2015 15:34
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Well, looking on the bright side of things. The root of the problem is magical in nature. Seems like we are only a magical power source and a cynical wizard hero away from a solution.
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Nov 22, 2015 19:31
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C'mon NK, haven't you seen Monsters, Inc.? You gotta switch from Scream to Laughter, way more efficient.
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Nov 22, 2015 19:45
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The one thing I don't get is why doesn't NK just try to explain himself to the Disaster Masters? He says he's going along with the charade because they still see him as evil, but Rosemaster wants to quit as well, and Splashmaster would probably quit in a minute if he was told to. Glitch & Noise are wildcards but they seem more pissed about being lied to than dead set on destruction. If NK just talked things out with them they might be able to come around to his point of view. Oh ...and I guess Mutemaster will just go with Noisemaster like usual. Sure there's still the problem of figuring out how to sustain the DMs without NK's fear-powers, but they could at least help him alleviate his loneliness.
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Nov 22, 2015 20:38
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TwoPair posted:The one thing I don't get is why doesn't NK just try to explain himself to the Disaster Masters? He says he's going along with the charade because they still see him as evil, but Rosemaster wants to quit as well, and Splashmaster would probably quit in a minute if he was told to. He obviously doesn't actually talk to them that much; he's their aloof evil boss, getting chummy would ruin the illusion. He almost certainly has no idea that any of them have figured him out. In addition to that, he thinks that they only hold him in any regard as their evil boss, and that if he revealed he wasn't into it any more they'd turn away from him (he loses his only "friends") or throw a fit and actually start killing people again (which he also doesn't want). Noisemaster shows that this anxiety is not completely unfounded. Obviously Rosemaster would have been down with the new NK, but how was he to know? He can't risk opening up enough to find out.
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Nov 22, 2015 20:59
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He also kind of hates himself because his existence is predicated on evil, and if he shares his perspective with them, they'll end up hating their job as much as he does.
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Nov 22, 2015 21:00
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Ooooh booooy. Man this is some harsh stuff. I wonder if this means that Cucumber is slowly eating away at NK's power by pulling the Distaster Stones into his wand. It seems like something that NK missed.
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Nov 22, 2015 22:21
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Matlock Birthmark posted:Well, looking on the bright side of things. The root of the problem is magical in nature. Seems like we are only a magical power source and a cynical wizard hero away from a solution. cucumber and double knight in lab coats searching for the cure. *wizard coats
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Nov 23, 2015 12:50
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An interesting possibility is that Nightmare Knight's resurrection may not be exactly cyclical, it's always done by bunnymen/catmoms who wish to pay him tribute. Wonder who gave Cordelia the idea.
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Nov 23, 2015 18:28
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Oracle, no question.
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Nov 23, 2015 18:33
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Renaissance Robot posted:Oracle, no question. Huh, maybe she's not so bad. Maybe she's trying to give him a chance to redeem himself. Or maybe she's just doing it for a selfish petty reason, like she wants to constantly relive her glory days or something.
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Nov 23, 2015 18:38
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dragon enthusiast posted:An interesting possibility is that Nightmare Knight's resurrection may not be exactly cyclical, it's always done by bunnymen/catmoms who wish to pay him tribute. Wonder who gave Cordelia the idea. 
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Nov 23, 2015 19:11
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Huh, maybe she's not so bad. Maybe she's trying to give him a chance to redeem himself. If he's sustained by fear, maybe it's the same for her but with gratitude or something.
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Nov 23, 2015 19:32
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Tribute? You steal bunnies' baking supplies, and make them your slaves!
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Nov 23, 2015 20:42
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Huh, maybe she's not so bad. Maybe she's trying to give him a chance to redeem himself. I think it's just incompetence. She probably has no idea about NK's little change of heart, but he's out so get the Dreamsword and a hero together because that's worked for the past few millennia.
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Nov 23, 2015 21:00
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Waffleman_ posted:Tribute? You steal bunnies' baking supplies, and make them your slaves! What is a bunny-man? A naïve pile of cliches! But enough.
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Nov 24, 2015 00:20
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Neo_Crimson posted:I think it's just incompetence. She probably has no idea about NK's little change of heart, but he's out so get the Dreamsword and a hero together because that's worked for the past few millennia. That's the way I'm leaning as well. Not conscious malice, but incompetence and laziness. She might have had a good idea the first time, and the next few times are understandable as a sorta "okay, this worked in the past". But after the first dozen times, she should have realized it wasn't a permanent fix and tried to solve it for good, instead of just ignoring the problem and breaking out the old magic sword/hero whenever this crap happens.
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Nov 24, 2015 00:39
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A secret manipulator as the ultimate villain would make a much weaker story than having the cycle be a product of the Nightmare Knight's own moral failures. He's between a rock and a hard place, since, from the very beginning, he's been motivated by fear, whether becoming weak, disappointing his followers, or any of the other preoccupations he has with how he's perceived. He doesn't want to be a villain, but not being a villain has too many consequences, so he's wringing out a mediocre existence of getting stomped by teenagers every five thousand years rather than confronting a hard choice. That's good drama! I know comparing Gigi's work to Undertale's already old, but it's like how Asgore deeply regretted declaring war on humanity, and decidedly does not want to hurt people, but he can't bring himself to disappoint everyone's hope to be freed. So he's stuck in a cowardly rut, like the NK, where he can't see any other way than going down with the path he hates.
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Nov 24, 2015 01:33
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I like a secret manipulator end boss if it means we get a cool team-up montage between NK and our heroes.
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Nov 24, 2015 01:37
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Precambrian posted:A secret manipulator as the ultimate villain would make a much weaker story than having the cycle be a product of the Nightmare Knight's own moral failures. He's between a rock and a hard place, since, from the very beginning, he's been motivated by fear, whether becoming weak, disappointing his followers, or any of the other preoccupations he has with how he's perceived. He doesn't want to be a villain, but not being a villain has too many consequences, so he's wringing out a mediocre existence of getting stomped by teenagers every five thousand years rather than confronting a hard choice. That's good drama! This doesn't even mention the fact he tried to extend his hand in peace and it got slapped away. Neo_Crimson posted:I think it's just incompetence. She probably has no idea about NK's little change of heart, but he's out so get the Dreamsword and a hero together because that's worked for the past few millennia.
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Nov 24, 2015 03:19
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The Dream Oracle doesn't seem to be a bunny person, maybe she's just some random guardian that got assigned to deal with the Nightmare Knight way back in the day. Now she just sort of hangs out, not really looking for any permanent solution because it's turned out to be a pretty sweet gig. Maybe she was freaked out about Noisemaster because an event like that would cause her higher ups to look into what she'd been up to the past few thousand years?
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Nov 24, 2015 04:34
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... Glitchmaster would freak out and try to destroy me while turning everyone against me, Noisemaster would give up, Rosemaster would be sympathetic to my sentimentality...
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Dec 3, 2015 18:25
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The whole thing would probably go over Splashmaster's head.
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Dec 3, 2015 20:53
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Dec 6, 2015 16:59
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Three New Pages. Well, Parfait always seems to phrase things in terms of children's stories....that said she's not wrong. Especially considering we as the audience know that a majority of the Masters already know. Matlock Birthmark fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Dec 8, 2015 |
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Dec 8, 2015 05:55
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