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Popular Thug Drink posted:i agree, the #1 way for black people to get out from under white oppression is to protest in ways that white people find comfortable and acceptable Historically? Yes.
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The Kingfish posted:Historically? Yes. I think you'd find that the civil rights movement made white moderates very very uncomfortable.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:24
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The Kingfish posted:Historically? Yes. He's made it quite clear that he's not interested in actually succeeding or accomplishing anything so I'd say this moderately valid point is going to fall on deaf ears. Or rather, be mocked without in any way being substantively responded to.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:24
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Radish posted:because they think that is not inclusive or swayed by "All Lives Matter" You can think it is not inclusive without thinking everything is equal and just in this world.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:25
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stinkles1112 posted:To be clear I don't think the slogan is, by far, the primary reason that the movement isn't resonating with moderates, but I think it is a facet, and that it's important to be aware of what works and what doesn't if you want to mount an effective protest. I dont think its the slogan personally. I think its some of the dumber stunts some people have tried to do in their name. like that library video and the sanders/Hilary stuff. that and the #fuckyouparis poo poo. sure its not big stuff and BLM has come out against all of this poo poo publicaly but it still sadly hurts their position.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:25
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Popular Thug Drink posted:white americans feel like they are overwhelmingly discriminated against so it doesn't seem like converting the statement "black lives matter" into "black lives are the only ones that matter" is in any way a fault with the statement, it is a fault with the internal biases of the individuals who do not want to accept the statement, and the solution is not to coddle and comfort these frankly moronic people White Americans are also overwhelmingly stupid and easily led by anyone with an ounce of subtlety. I've taken the piss out of my whole immediate family and most of the extended about Black Lives Matter with simple explainations that "No, it's not exclusionary." It's not hard, unless you're so prideful that you refuse to do anything but yell "Racist!" at clouds and expect anyone to give a gently caress.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:25
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Trabisnikof posted:I think you'd find that the civil rights movement made white moderates very very uncomfortable. I think you will find that leaders in the CRM calculated their protests to win the sympathies of white moderates.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:26
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#BlackLivesMatter reeks of hashtag activism, and sounds like a gimmick. It's like #OccupyWallstreet, but for black people.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:26
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stinkles1112 posted:He's made it quite clear that he's not interested in actually succeeding or accomplishing anything so I'd say this moderately valid point is going to fall on deaf ears. ok step one for ending police oppression: badger millenials on twitter to use the corrent slogans well, i'm doing my part. what about you? what have you done for The Cause recently?
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Nov 23, 2015 20:26
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The Kingfish posted:Historically? Yes. Did you learn this in the type of history book that has illustrations of Jesus riding dinosaurs.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:28
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Nobody better say anything bad about this twitter hashtag or Im gonna freak out!
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Nov 23, 2015 20:28
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Humans Among Us posted:You can think it is not inclusive without thinking everything is equal and just in this world. It's about a problem that is affecting a specific segment of the population which is why it sounds exclusive. I don't need to go to breast cancer fundraisers and complain that people die from prostate cancer and why can't their messaging reflect all types of cancer.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:28
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Popular Thug Drink posted:ok step one for ending police oppression: badger millenials on twitter to use the corrent slogans OK so we've moved from "I think their choice of slogan could probably be better" to "badger millenials on twitter into talking how I like"
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Nov 23, 2015 20:29
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Trabisnikof posted:I think you'd find that the civil rights movement made white moderates very very uncomfortable. MLK is much easier to venerate when he's dead and you can cherry pick out the uncomfortable things he said about white liberals.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:29
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Radish posted:It's about a problem that is affecting a specific segment of the population which is why it sounds exclusive. I don't need to go to breast cancer fundraisers and complain that people die from prostate cancer and why can't their messaging reflect all types of cancer. *sharpies #AllOrgansMatter on a Race for the Cure sign*
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Nov 23, 2015 20:30
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Did you learn this in the type of history book that has illustrations of Jesus riding dinosaurs. From the type of history book that analyzes the motivations of civil rights leaders and the causes of civil rights reform.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:30
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The Kingfish posted:I think you will find that leaders in the CRM calculated their protests to win the sympathies of white moderates. They also said and did things that white moderates thought was at best "bad messaging" and at worse "getting uppity".
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Nov 23, 2015 20:31
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Popular Thug Drink posted:*sharpies #AllOrgansMatter on a Race for the Cure sign* I've agreed with you up until this point. Sorry, but as a boob man I have to say #AllOrgansMatter is actually very offensive to me.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:31
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From a few pages ago but people were mentioning that 'Black Lives Matter' implies to some people that only black lives matter, I wondered if 'Black Lives Also Matter' would work until I realised it just spells out BLAM which is a little unfortunate for a group protesting police shootings.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:31
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Popular Thug Drink posted:*sharpies #AllOrgansMatter on a Race for the Cure sign* Do you feel that there's ANY capacity in which the current civil rights protests might be improved? Do you think that they have any shortcomings at all? Are you interested in discussing why or why not?
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Nov 23, 2015 20:32
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The Kingfish posted:From the type of history book that analyzes the motivations of civil rights leaders and the causes of civil rights reform. I love the part where they double down on their made-up bullshit and just hope they can ride out the lie. This is so ludicrous it's not even worth arguing with. A minute from now you're going to be ranting about styrofoam rocks in the moon landing photos.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:32
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Trabisnikof posted:They also said and did things that white moderates thought was at best "bad messaging" and at worse "getting uppity". "ugh, don't they realize how bad it looks to get blasted with fire hoses? terrible optics. why don't they just move to the side?"
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Nov 23, 2015 20:32
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Seriously if "Black Lives Matter" is enough to get someone to sour on the whole justice for black victims of police brutality thing he or she isn't a "moderate." They aren't saying "kill whitey" as their rallying cry and saying that their phrasing is too aggressive or not inclusive is just looking for a reason to dismiss them.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:33
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I love the part where they double down on their made-up bullshit and just hope they can ride out the lie. This is so ludicrous it's not even worth arguing with. A minute from now you're going to be ranting about styrofoam rocks in the moon landing photos. 
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Nov 23, 2015 20:34
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stinkles1112 posted:Do you feel that there's ANY capacity in which the current civil rights protests might be improved? Do you think that they have any shortcomings at all? Are you interested in discussing why or why not? whether i do or not is a distinct coversation from me breaking your balls over your avowed belief that part of the reason white america rejects black opinions is because a group of disconnected protesters rallied behind the incorrect hashtag
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Nov 23, 2015 20:34
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I'm baffled as to why people keep engaging with Popular Thug Drink.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:34
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Popular Thug Drink posted:ok step one for ending police oppression: badger millenials on twitter to use the corrent slogans Step one for ending police oppression: Don't have millenials involved in the process, stick with geriatrics.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:35
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The Kingfish posted:You don't know what you are talking about I'm the black daughter and granddaughter of bonafide civil rights activists who marched with Dr. King but sure, tell me all about how white people were just peachy-keen with their protests and never tried to murder my grandma with rocks.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:35
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My Imaginary GF posted:Step one for ending police oppression: Don't have millenials involved in the process, stick with geriatrics. I'm not sure if only having elderly cops would stop them from shooting black people. It would probably reduce the beatings.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:36
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#AllHolidaysMatter
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Nov 23, 2015 20:37
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Ohio Valley style pizza: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bqyyOX8NAo Freeze the frame at 9 seconds, you get a good look at it. You cook the sauce super loving hot and put the cheese on after it comes out of the oven. It's ridiculously crunchy. Here, the process in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inz8FN0ci9I
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Nov 23, 2015 20:38
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If you don't know enough to understand that hashtag black lives matter is not inherently saying that hashtag black lives matter more than hashtag white lives then you probably would not exactly be swayed to their cause by a name change. On the other hand the very name reeks of disorganized twitter slacktivism and I really wish the movement had chosen a better name somehow. #NotSureHowIFeelAboutTheseBadOptics
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Nov 23, 2015 20:38
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My Imaginary GF posted:Step one for ending police oppression: Don't have millenials involved in the process, stick with geriatrics. We'll just get all black people to save enough little old ladies so they start baking them pies and apologizing for the whole "up yours friend of the family" thing earlier. Of course, the black people and little old ladies will have the good sense not to mention that to anyone so we're back at square one.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:whether i do or not is a distinct coversation from me breaking your balls over your avowed belief that part of the reason white america rejects black opinions is because a group of disconnected protesters rallied behind the incorrect hashtag Ok so now I see where the disconnect is. I'm not intending to overstate the importance of a dumb hashtag. It's a facet of the problem but not the most important, or even necessarily a major one, but it's the one that came up in the thread so that's what I talked about. Although, if you want to win over millenials you pretty much have to be a pro-tier hashtagger, so maybe it IS more important than I thought....
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Nov 23, 2015 20:39
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pathetic little tramp posted:Ohio Valley style pizza: This sounds iffy but I am willing to try it and be wrong in my love for all pizzas except for godless sauceless pizza.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:40
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Monkey Fracas posted:If you don't know enough to understand that hashtag black lives matter is not inherently saying that hashtag black lives matter more than hashtag white lives then you probably would not exactly be swayed to their cause by a name change. The only problem is that the "white moderate" looks at the name and thinks "well, yeah, duh?" and nothing else.
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Nov 23, 2015 20:41
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Radish posted:It's about a problem that is affecting a specific segment of the population which is why it sounds exclusive. I don't need to go to breast cancer fundraisers and complain that people die from prostate cancer and why can't their messaging reflect all types of cancer. Fair enough but i hope you realize this is a much better response than dismissing everyone instantly for being racists that want to discredit the BLM movement. Thanks ( sincere, i think this is the best argument so far, i'd also like to see a rebuttal maybe ) heard u like girls fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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Radish posted:This sounds iffy but I am willing to try it and be wrong in my love for all pizzas except for godless sauceless pizza. My mom is a diabetic and has to order sauceless pizza and it just fills me with existential despair every time 
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Nov 23, 2015 20:43
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I'm the black daughter and granddaughter of bonafide civil rights activists who marched with Dr. King but sure, tell me all about how white people were just peachy-keen with their protests and never tried to murder my grandma with rocks. The highly effective civil rights era protests were designed to alienate white middle class moderates from the caustically racist working class and southern whites.
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Hand wringing over nomenclature is busy work for people who can't be on the front line BLM should start showing up to protests armed as is their constitutional right. stinkles1112 posted:My mom is a diabetic and has to order sauceless pizza and it just fills me with existential despair every time Bad news because the bread is what is bad for diabetics
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