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The Sharmat posted:Trish's mom gets superpowers that make her able to make a person feel responsible for whatever just happened simply by telling them it was their fault. hey my stepmom has that power too
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That's what makes it such a relatable and topical premise for a season.
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Nov 24, 2015 02:32
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Maybe after Luke Cage's first season they team up and just have one show called Jessica/Cage.
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Nov 24, 2015 02:36
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sign me up, let's make it 16 episodes this time around episode 3: Trish's mom escapes certain capture by throwing down a smoke bomb she stole from the Hand in a scene we never saw episode 7: Trish's mom escapes because Jessica trips on some marbles a neighbor kid down the hall left out episode 9: Jessica captures Trish's mom and the police take her in, but it turns out her handcuffs were made of delicious licorice and she chews her way to freedom episode 13: Trish's mom escapes because four random assholes break down Jessica's door and knock her out with a 2x4 -- wait, that's too stupid, that would never happen
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Nov 24, 2015 02:38
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Snak posted:Maybe after Luke Cage's first season they team up and just have one show called Jessica/Cage. I was quite seriously just going to suggest the same thing 
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Nov 24, 2015 02:41
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Where would a second season even go? I mean Tennant basically carried the show and I can't imagine watching 13 episodes without him. Now that Sony is playing nice, they might be able to do the Spider-Girl/J. Jonah Jameson plot. I mean, they'd have to rewrite it a little so it's not as derivative of Killgrave as it would be now, but it was kind of interesting. That could lead into a loose adaptation of Pulse as the second half or so of the season. Jessica would probably work best as a reoccurring character in the other series though, leading up to the Defenders thing.
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Nov 24, 2015 02:44
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Jerusalem posted:I was quite seriously just going to suggest the same thing I'm 100% serious. I don't know what to expect at all from the Luke Cage series, but if it continues to develop their relationship it could make sense to have them become the leads of their own arc.
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Nov 24, 2015 02:46
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Why does Luke just bail at the end? First he's insisting on saving Jessica and then gets talked out of it, then won't even stick around to see her? Sort of came out of left field. Now that I've finished the season I can safely say that, while I liked it, I think Daredevil was a significantly better show. Jessica Jones had too many eye-rolling special effects (omg that jump over the police), plodding episodes, and frankly pretty pointless characters (oh look another Robyn x Malcolm scene). What it had going for it: a really great villain, a very watchable (although not amazing) lead, and a few pretty entertaining side characters. Daredevil had all that too though. I guess I'd say Jessica Jones dealt with more complex issues as well. Oh and the intro is rad as hell. PantsBandit fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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Nov 24, 2015 02:46
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I'm still unclear of how he suffered a injury after surviving being blown up. I guess it's to show he really is unbreakable ,but still not sure what happened there.
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Nov 24, 2015 02:50
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Because he can still get a concussion, and he got one hell of a concussion. Those big fiery movie explosions are relatively weak.
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Nov 24, 2015 02:53
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Where would a second season even go? I mean Tennant basically carried the show and I can't imagine watching 13 episodes without him. IGH seems like something they want to follow up on, but between that and the other child experimentation (that's what IGH is about for Jessica), it seems natural thread for the Nick Cage series, with Jessica playing the supporting role, since she was not as aware of what happened to her as the other kids (including probably Cage) were.
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Nov 24, 2015 02:56
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Everyone mentioned a Jessica Jones / Luke Cage show would be great, but they should just go all in with it being Heroes for Hire.
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Nov 24, 2015 02:56
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Snak posted:I'm 100% serious. I don't know what to expect at all from the Luke Cage series, but if it continues to develop their relationship it could make sense to have them become the leads of their own arc. I hope that the Luke Cage series is just done in a blaxploitation style like Black Dynamite. Iron Fist can be done like a wuxia film. I don't care if the tone wouldn't match Jessica Jones and Daredevil, just have both of them be throwbacks to the 70s
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Nov 24, 2015 02:57
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Hollismason posted:I'm still unclear of how he suffered a injury after surviving being blown up. I guess it's to show he really is unbreakable ,but still not sure what happened there. I think the kick of getting a shotgun bullet to the underjaw, where there is relatively little muscle, banged up his insides enough to knock him out.
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Nov 24, 2015 02:57
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Snak posted:I'm 100% serious. I don't know what to expect at all from the Luke Cage series, but if it continues to develop their relationship it could make sense to have them become the leads of their own arc. So am I, I'd really love to see the progression of their relationship like they did through the comics  Also I really, really, really want for there to eventually be a TV version of that Spider-Man "Woah, I used to have a crush on you!" moment 
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Nov 24, 2015 02:57
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Yeah it makes sense, I just felt it was a bit contrived. He had reason enough to stay away from Kilgrave ,but it wasn't to terrible.The fact that they are not introducing Shang Chi at some point makes me sad. You'd think that Marvel making a Shang Chi film for the Chinese market would be a priority for them ,but nope.
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Nov 24, 2015 02:59
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PantsBandit posted:Why does Luke just bail at the end? First he's insisting on saving Jessica and then gets talked out of it, then won't even stick around to see her? Sort of came out of left field. Not really. Kilgrave made him say that he forgave Jessica, but he didn't really. He even says as much during their fight.
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Nov 24, 2015 03:00
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Drifter posted:I think the kick of getting a shotgun bullet to the underjaw, where there is relatively little muscle, banged up his insides enough to knock him out. Yeah, important thing to remember with Luke Cage is that his skin is supernaturally resilient but blunt force trauma still does a number on the squishy bits inside.
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Nov 24, 2015 03:01
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I liked this show. Support group revolt and Supermax plan were extremely dumb, and I wished her strength was a bit more consistent, but these are minor complaints given how strong it was overall. I worry about how they'll move on without Kilgrave given how integral he was here, though. My favorite bad line was "It didn't cut" during the bar fight in episode 2 - dude's delivery forced me to pause the show. Luke Cage needs to come out immediately, and I'll be interested to see how the integrate Jessica into his story. Also, If you're an older black man in Hell's Kitchen and a superhero comes your way, you're pretty much dead already. Please pray for Frankie Faison, everyone.
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Nov 24, 2015 03:03
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My Q-Face posted:Not really. Kilgrave made him say that he forgave Jessica, but he didn't really. He even says as much during their fight. Oh come on, Luke isn't going to just flat out say "Woah you thought I forgave you? AS IF!" Even if he hasn't really forgiven her, I don't think we can assume one way or the other because of something he says while under Kilgrave's influence.
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Nov 24, 2015 03:04
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He may have still been under the influence of Kilgrave? Is that possible ? Towards the end we don't know how powerful Kilgrave was he said to Jessica before he got the last injection his unfluence lasted more than 24 hours. So it's possible he was like " Kill Jessica, but if you fail etc.. leave her" Something like that maybe?
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Hollismason posted:He may have still been under the influence of Kilgrave? Is that possible ? Towards the end we don't know how powerful Kilgrave was he said to Jessica before he got the last injection his unfluence lasted more than 24 hours. So it's possible he was like " Kill Jessica, but if you fail etc.. leave her" Everyone at the dock stopped being under his control when he died.
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double negative posted:I liked this show. Support group revolt and Supermax plan were extremely dumb, and I wished her strength was a bit more consistent, but these are minor complaints given how strong it was overall. I worry about how they'll move on without Kilgrave given how integral he was here, though. The Supermax plan was bad but it was basically the best plan they could have come up with that works around his ridiculous powers assuming they didn't want to just murder him.
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PantsBandit posted:Everyone at the dock stopped being under his control when he died. Oh you are right, but he did leave before Jessica contronted Kilgrave. I dunno it wouldn't surpise me.
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Nov 24, 2015 03:12
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The Sharmat posted:They''ve dealt with PTSD but they brought up the IGH stuff and the origins of Jessica's abilities, so they have an excuse to do survivor's guilt next. My prediction: the metaphor for an IGH plotline will be the politics of abortion. The implication is obviously that IGH experimented on Jessica post-accident to turn her into a superhero. "My body, my choice," is a pretty clear subtext to that dilemma since there was clearly no consent, and a plot where Jessica investigates those experiments could probably tie pretty organically to the S1 plot while preserving the sense of feminist critique the show employs.
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Nov 24, 2015 03:13
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I don't actually get the logistics of the Luke Cage control thing at all. Can someone explain it like I'm super dumb? So Kilgrave actually did find out about Luke's unbreakable skin when Luke tried to attack him that first time, even though the flashback didn't show that? And so he said "Make it seem like I tried to kill you in an explosion, and then wait until after the previous time limit that is no longer the current time limit has passed, and then say that you forgive Jessica in these specific lines of dialogue that I'm giving you now, and then betray her at the last second and kill her however many hours later?" It seems...really, really contrived. Heck, what if someone forgets what Kilgrave told to get them to do, simply because it was so complicated? BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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My Q-Face posted:IGH seems like something they want to follow up on, but between that and the other child experimentation (that's what IGH is about for Jessica), it seems natural thread for the Nick Cage series Child experimentation could be a plausible explanation for Nick Cage and I'm just glad Marvel is finally making him a canonical member of the MCU.
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I also think that Luke, as distinct from Simpson, was emotionally stable enough to realize when he woke up that his attempt to get Kilgrave had only complicated things and that if he went after him again it was likely to end with him under his control again and attacking Jessica once more. He knew Jessica was immune (I think he knew that?) and was mature enough to know that despite being bigger and stronger than her that didn't necessarily make him better suited to "solve" the problem. Simpson kept looking to retake control/regain his sense of power (if only over his own destiny) and screwing things up - I'd like to think that Luke was able to accept his powerlessness and step aside for a better suited person to do it for him, without feeling like that in some way reflected poorly on his manhood.
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Edit: Yeah that's spot on about Luke I think.Xealot posted:My prediction: the metaphor for an IGH plotline will be the politics of abortion. I don't think the show is an exclusively feminist critique and to say that glosses over the effort they took to show so many different kinds of abuse, abuse victims, abusers, and reactions to said abuse.
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Xealot posted:My prediction: the metaphor for an IGH plotline will be the politics of abortion. gosh I hope so
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BrianWilly posted:I don't actually get the logistics of the Luke Cage control thing at all. Can someone explain it like I'm super dumb? The flashback only portrayed Luke's lie to Jessica. We don't know how much of that was even true.
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Yeah unlike Simpson Luke specifically avoids Kilgrave and when Jessica tells Luke her plan he says " Good for you".
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Nov 24, 2015 03:21
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The Sharmat posted:The Supermax plan was bad but it was basically the best plan they could have come up with that works around his ridiculous powers assuming they didn't want to just murder him. How so? Doesn't seem like it'd be all that hard for him to get around, or even exploit her imprisonment.
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Nov 24, 2015 03:23
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Again, it's not good. I just can't really think of anything better if we're operating under the assumption that just using a sniper rifle is not an option.
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Now that at least two of the Defenders have secretaries, I hope there's some lighthearted scenes between them in Defenders.
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Aphrodite posted:The flashback only portrayed Luke's lie to Jessica. We don't know how much of that was even true.
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The flashback was only to Luke in the car with Kilgrave he doesn't go into it anymore than that. People saying it shouldn't have focused on Kilgrave as much ,but seriously if anything it had to. He's such a present threat that you do pretty much have to ignore everything else. Jessica only elected to help that one client because she thought Kilgraver sent her.
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Nov 24, 2015 03:37
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Nothing in the flashback contradicted whatever Kilgrave may have ordered Luke to do afterwards. And he could easily have given a broad order like "secretly work for me. Also, express my love to her with these lines I wrote for her."
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Nov 24, 2015 03:38
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The Sharmat posted:I don't think the show is an exclusively feminist critique and to say that glosses over the effort they took to show so many different kinds of abuse, abuse victims, abusers, and reactions to said abuse. I didn't say it's exclusively a feminist critique, that's just a prominent fixture of its chosen themes. I'm not entirely sure how Netflix Marvel can organically keep their series walled gardens, though. Daredevil was barely mentioned at all in this show, but Luke and Jessica are so intertwined at this point, I can't imagine Luke Cage not incorporating her pretty substantially. And now that Claire is in the mix, I can't imagine Daredevil will be able to ignore the existence of either Luke *or* Jessica. It's the "why don't they just call Tony Stark?" problem, but with people who live a stop away on the ACE. I can only imagine Defenders will be a slow build, starting with cameo roles for this or that reason across the remaining series going forward.
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