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Real talk: I honestly like a lot of what Arenanet does as a concept, but not in practice. They tend to overtune everything and apparently test nothing (except in windows xp!) and I believe they honestly become too ambitious at times with their projects. I'd even be fine with raids if they just innovated with them at all instead of practically copy pasting the bad design of other MMOs into GW2. Enrage timers are stupid, period. Forcing people to only use berserker's after saying you're getting rid of that meta is loving stupid. Why do you do this poo poo, Anet? You can't just cater to the 1% and ignore the rest of the fanbase pleading with you. edit: legendary armor preview  Not really. Mordremoth fight bugged out and I remained glowy, as if I were still channeling a rift. Lonk fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Nov 25, 2015 |
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Making raid bosses do enough unavoidable damage that everyone would need toughness and vitality gear is even dumber than 8/10 of the raid in full DPS gear.
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Nov 25, 2015 22:01
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All the wailing and gnashing of teeth is getting completely overblown. It's not perfect, but it's hardly the poisonous sludge of despair and misery and betrayal you're all making it out to be. The game isn't that bad, guys! Take a break if you're feeling down, it's not a subscription one and the problems you feel are there will probably be patched out by the time you feel like trying it out again.
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Nov 25, 2015 22:06
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Having stats on gear is stupid anyway and was one of the things I liked about GW1.Illuyankas posted:All the wailing and gnashing of teeth is getting completely overblown. It's not perfect, but it's hardly the poisonous sludge of despair and misery and betrayal you're all making it out to be. The game isn't that bad, guys! Take a break if you're feeling down, it's not a subscription one and the problems you feel are there will probably be patched out by the time you feel like trying it out again. It's just a disappointment to people who somehow didn't see it all coming from a mile away.
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Nov 25, 2015 22:10
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it probably would help if they put out a post detailing whether or not they've been taking in criticism and what they're going to do, if at all, to address certain concerns people have. you know, in regards to poo poo like the gerent event and whatever. it would go a long way instead of this mysterious silence they've mostly gone with since dropping the expansion. people like having feedback! right now they just see a bunch of janky poo poo and the occasional All Business Post about how this thing or other is going to be added to the gem store.
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Also the "berserker meta" they were making sure wouldn't happen is the 'stack up and burn poo poo before it can even use abilities' dungeon meta, which was named so because Berserker gear was what you used to make it happen. It was never 'you won't get away with using Berserker or Sinister or Viper gear in raids!!!!" but getting angry at the video game because you don't understand it is par for the course.
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Generic Octopus posted:Having stats on gear is stupid anyway and was one of the things I liked about GW1. i genuinely do miss a lot of how things worked in gw1. i mean, yeah, it involved dedicated healers, but you could literally have AI-controlled ones that were just as good or better than actual people. everything was really flexible and didn't involve just trying to stack certain stat combos to explode whatever you're fighting.
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Adhesive Gamin posted:Also the "berserker meta" they were making sure wouldn't happen is the 'stack up and burn poo poo before it can even use abilities' dungeon meta, which was named so because Berserker gear was what you used to make it happen. It was never 'you won't get away with using Berserker or Sinister or Viper gear in raids!!!!" but getting angry at the video game because you don't understand it is par for the course. I am totalky cool with not having stacking be a strategy. Hell lupi is still the best boss fight in the game. Though maybe DS's deal might be better. I really like that one, even if the only time I tried it we failed.
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PartyCrown posted:this is something cletus made up that took off It's also something I made up, I was being sarcastic  I had no idea it was a pre-existing joke, though I'm not surprised
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Nov 25, 2015 22:19
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We're just disappointed is all. The expansion is a move away from the friendly accessible game I was hoping for.
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If you don't have a Vale Guardian kill by the end of the month you WILL be summarily removed from the guild.
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They actually do have one of the ex-Carbine guys on the raid team but he's the dude that was responsible for a lot of the actual environment/level design in Wildstar which I thought was pretty neat for the most part. I assume he's responsible for similar stuff here because if you've actually been into the Forsaken Thicket it's really pretty and somewhat spooky, especially the stuff around the map outside the boss arenas.
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Adhesive Gamin posted:If you don't have a Vale Guardian kill by the end of the month you WILL be summarily removed from the guild.* *unless you're the guild scribe.
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Generic Octopus posted:*unless you're the guild scribe. Even then! NO MERCY
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Guild roster limits are another dumb thing. I'd like to join goons quad but don't play enough to bother since I'd be purged if I took a hiatus. And I only have like 20g anyway so I couldn't contribute to whatever that grind is you guys are doing.
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Adhesive Gamin posted:Please don't discuss immoral DnT strategies in the thread. Was a different guild. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVyMg1g9F5Y
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Illuyankas posted:Even then! NO MERCY But then who would you send hundreds of gold to so you can craft a single grandfather clock 
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The expansion is has alot of broken poo poo, scribing, wvw, collections, recipes, guild hall and fractals. It's no surprise people get annoyed with it and stop playing. When anet said the zerker meta is dead what they actually meant was the full party zerker meta is dead. Well, it was but full dps teams have beaten Vale now so eh.
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I stopped playing because of Fallout 4 and Jessica Jones, i actually quite liked the expansion. Apart from raids, gently caress that noise.
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The raids are surprisingly well designed, very few bugs too. It's very bare bones compared to other mmos there's no LFG, difficulty modes or leaderboards but its functional. I'm sure they'll end up like dungeons and fractals though which is a shame.
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Haven't read this thread (or really played the game much) in the past few weeks. After looking at the last few pages I'm glad to see I'm not the only one feeling burned out and/or dissatisfied with the new content. I'll still pop in for dailies and the odd guild events, but I'm holding out for something really appealing to keep me playing longer than a half hour or so per day. Also I think it's really dumb that there was no new EBG map to go along with the new Borderlands. Also it's really sad that WvW is pretty much dead/dying.
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klockwerk posted:Also I think it's really dumb that there was no new EBG map to go along with the new Borderlands. Also it's really sad that WvW is pretty much dead/dying. Honestly right now EBG is the only map you find people to fight on because it seems most don't like the new maps, so count your blessings I guess.
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I've been to the new borderlands three times.
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NapoleonAtWaterloo posted:Honestly right now EBG is the only map you find people to fight on because it seems most don't like the new maps, so count your blessings I guess. Ugh yeah it really adds insult to injury when I do log on to play WvW these days and really the only thing to do is the same thing I was doing before the expansion (though granted, with new specializations there's something). Did ANet ever provide reasoning for this? Also, wasn't the WvW skill system supposed to be revamped? When compared to the semi-equivalent mastery system in PvE it's in a pretty laughable state right now.
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Visidan posted:The expansion is has alot of broken poo poo, scribing, wvw, collections, recipes, guild hall and fractals. It's no surprise people get annoyed with it and stop playing. How does the damage you can't avoid work? Like could it be mitigated if you had high hp classes taking it? Or is it like agony where everyone gets nailed by it even if you're dead.
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Alteisen posted:How does the damage you can't avoid work? Like could it be mitigated if you had high hp classes taking it? Or is it like agony where everyone gets nailed by it even if you're dead.
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The changes HoT brought to PvP have been underwhelming. It seems like a large portion of PvPers don't like or play Stronghold because of its imprecise play-style and secondary focus on PvE. Also, the new reward paths (the ones that give out BL keys) can be exhausted and are, disappointingly, a temporary diversion. Elite specs have done the most to freshen content, but there are now serious issues with balance or at least a dirge of class choices that offer little in the way of counterplay (I.E. a traps DH vs anything that's not a tank). I'm looking forward to the new season, but I think an increased variety of reward tracks and conquest maps outside of the same four that we've been playing on for three years are needed to keep this gametype interesting to long-time players. Outside of PvP I used to subsidize my time with a bit of small group WvW, but that no longer exists (at least for Maguuma) and as the expansion has somehow reduced the players' interest in WvW, it's less an option than ever.
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I decided to do a positive thing and teach you all about the secrets of Gonk! Obviously going to help if you're a guardian but I don't really have tank experience with any of the other classes. Hopefully this will encourage other goons and help them with raids and possibly other things. Alright first off the obvious is Guardian and secondly is Nomad's but surprise surprise, the new Wanderer's stats are also good with this build, though I stick with Nomad's for the raid. I use exotic Nomad's armor and ascended trinkets. You can craft the armor fairly cheaply and get trinkets from Living Story season 2 cheevo awards. You're going to wanna go for Quetzal Crest, Ventari's Chisel, Forgotten Band, Sandford Family Ring and Aspect Amulet. These will probably be the most annoying part of your build or you can craft exotics for a little less tankiness. For your weaponry, you will want a mace and a focus as your main setup and your swap could be staff for utility, hammer for damage (with might stacks) during the raid or my all-around favorite would be scepter/shield for ranged/immobilize and shield shoving others. I try to do Nomad's weaponry though my scepter is berserker's for just a little more damage. Really your weapon stats don't matter much compared to the armor so use what you want. For your skills, you are going to want to bring along Shelter for your healing due to decent heal combined with 2 seconds of blocking poo poo. bring along Retreat! for speed/aegis, Save Yourselves! for tons of boons and either Hold the Line! for protection/regen or Stand Your Ground! if you believe you're going to need to toss up some stability for where you are. Your elite skill should be Signet of Courage for obvious reasons. For your traits you're going to want to go with Valor, Honor and Virtues.  For Valor, go with either Strength of the Fallen or Focus Mastery. Both are good honestly but Focus Mastery might be better for the raid. Get Strength in Numbers if you wanna help others be a little tanky or Stalwart Defender if you use shield as your swap offhand. Use Altruistic Healing if you want or Retributive Armor which is my preference. For Honor, you will either want Invigorated Bulwark for reduced mace recharge or Protective Reviver to revive your allies with a shield shove and everyone gets Aegis, Protection and Regen for 10 seconds. Next go Pure of Heart or Honorable Staff if you're using staff for your swap. Lastly, go either with Pure of Voice to reduce your shout recharge and convert conditions to boons or go with Force of Will if you want a bit more Health. For Virtues, you'll want to get Retaliatory Subconscious to occasionally protect you from stuns and such. Go with Absolute Resolution to improve your Virtue of Resolve and lastly go with Battle Presence if you wanna give Resolve's passive effect to nearby allies or go with Indomitable Courage if you think Aegis/stability is going to be more useful. There's a lot of good trait choices for tanking here so play around with it and see what you like using. Some things might work better for PvE or Raid or WvW. Now I will try to give advice here for each game mode PvE: Pretty much you're going to be using mace auto attack, mace 2 for AoE regen, mace 3 to block powerful hits, focus 4 any time you can and focus 5 is pretty much like mace 3 so try to use it when you think some nasty attacks are gonna happen or you are tanking several enemies at once. Use your shouts pretty much whenever you want because PvE is easy and your only real problem is slower damage output so you might want to group up whenever possible. PvP: Nomad's isn't allowed here so just skip this trash game mode! (sorry I couldn't resist) WvW: Mostly the same tactics here as PvE and this is where you can really get some good laughs. You'll likely be tanking so well in 1v1 fights that the enemy will either die of actual boredom and try to run away or they will literally do nothing but try to kill you forever out of sheer spite, ignoring the chance to cap anything or do anything remotely useful. Your only real enemy in WvW is going to be the sheer amount of conditions from zergs but don't feel bad because that poo poo destroys everyone. Raid: Alright, you've decided to try tanking in the raid. I can only speak on my experiences with Vale Guardian so far but take everything you've learned about tanking in the other modes and remember that you will ALWAYS have the boss aggro due to your toughness level. Before the fight starts, do your best not to hit the Vale Guardian until you've pulled him over to the blue pylon's speed mushroom since the timer starts once he is hit and the speed shroom will boost your speed and attacks. The blue teleports take about 2 seconds to pop off and you will want to dodge out of it into the pillar so you don't move much. You will only want to move if you get teleported or if you absolutely need to in order to keep the Vale Guardian from spawning the teleports on top of the green lightning AoE. During the split at 66% hp, run to the green pylon and just solo tank the green guardian until blue team has killed their boss and come to help you with green, then everyone takes out red. At this point the Vale Guardian reforms and you all need to get to the red pylon's section of the arena. He's going to teleport you almost immediately so dodge this and stay in the red section. He will occasionally spawn the green lightning circles and also occasionally go into a break bar phase, where the bar needs to be broken as quickly as you possibly can. The other sections will be electrified at this point and during this particular phase, only one at a time will do so, starting with green and changing roughly every 20 seconds. As the tank, you will want to keep him near the electrified floor section without actually going into it until a few seconds before it changes. After awhile, the Vale Guardian splits and you repeat that phase so just do the same as before. After this he will reform one last time and you repeat the electric floor phase but now two of the three sections will be electrified at a time and they will change a little faster, probably around 17 or 18 seconds instead of 20 by my count. I've not gotten past this phase myself but it's the final one and you pretty much know all you need to know to do this so just hope you don't screw up and your team can dps/break bar fast enough to beat the enrage timer! Now I did mention Wanderer's stats earlier and they are great for a Guardian but due to how aggro works in Raid, you should stick with Nomad's for that. Anywhere else, you can go Wanderer's for extra damage. Easy way to get Wanderer's is simply beating the Heart of Thorns story mode on your alts. I also recommend picking Viper's gear boxes from doing this when given the choice as it is also the easiest way to get that stat set if you need it for an alt.
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Serious question: why is Nomad gear needed to tank the Vale Guardian?
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Nomad gear is needed to Gonk
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Kessel posted:Serious question: why is Nomad gear needed to tank the Vale Guardian? Aggro is based off of whoever has the highest Toughness, and Nomad's comes with Vitality/Healing Power to boot. It's the best set of stats for tanks.
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Kessel posted:Serious question: why is Nomad gear needed to tank the Vale Guardian? He's really scary!
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Vermain posted:Aggro is based off of whoever has the highest Toughness, and Nomad's comes with Vitality/Healing Power to boot. It's the best set of stats for tanks. It really isn't. You can hold the Guardian's attention in damage gear plus maybe a couple trinket swaps - that much toughness is overkill, especially when you're a guard with so many ways to defuse attacks. When Tricks wasn't around I was tanking our runs in full damage gear, using the single trait in the scrapper tree that grants up to 300 toughness. Further, the main issue for most groups in raids will never be keeping the boss's attention; rather, it's the enrage timer. Your tank needs to hit as hard as possible. And finally, when you get through it all and arrive at Gorseval, you'll be really, really miserable for having ground all that Nomad's gear out.
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Kessel posted:And finally, when you get through it all and arrive at Gorseval, you'll be really, really miserable for having ground all that Nomad's gear out. The real DPS check starts in spookytown forest.
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gently caress those spooky ghosts.
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WOW look at all these uncultured bitches trash talking Nomads. loving zerker babies.
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Sheesh and I'm seen as too negative in the thread. Nomad's rocks for tanking and has a place in the game was my point. I'm sorry I don't literally masturbate constantly to berserker's gear because I'm unable to use anything else in the game. I am well aware of how terrible the game design for raiding is and how most people in this game will never beat Vale Guardian, let alone have to worry about the other bosses.
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Lonk posted:Sheesh and I'm seen as too negative in the thread. Nomad's rocks for tanking and has a place in the game was my point. I'm sorry I don't literally masturbate constantly to berserker's gear because I'm unable to use anything else in the game. I am well aware of how terrible the game design for raiding is and how most people in this game will never beat Vale Guardian, let alone have to worry about the other bosses. Generic Octopus posted:I stopped reading after "Nomad's".
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"Nomad's gear is great, I can stand in every enemy attack" "Can't use anything besides Berserker"
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