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Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


If you shoot Ocelot you get an OCELOT IS DEAD Game Over where your codec crew yells "Snake you can't kill Ocelot! You'll cause a Time Paradox!"

You also get the achievement/trophy called "Problem solved; series over!" :v:

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pick-e
Aug 10, 2014
"Static Shock was a good show" Overdose on cameos aside, drat straight :)

Didn't know you could mess with Volgin like that, almost feel bad for the guy until he starts mowing down his own men. The bike sequence is only good in the cinematic mode. If you actually try shooting guys the controls and fun factor are about as poor as they are in MGS1/4's vehicle segments.

ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

SSNeoman posted:

If you shoot Ocelot you get an OCELOT IS DEAD Game Over where your codec crew yells "Snake you can't kill Ocelot! You'll cause a Time Paradox!"

You also get the achievement/trophy called "Problem solved; series over!" :v:

You can get that as soon as you see him in Virtuous Mission, too! :v:

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??




Let's Play Metal Gear Solid 3 Episode 16 - Baby Snake

The best part about Time Paradoxes is that it's not even your codec crew, Paul Eiding comes back from the future specifically to tell you to knock it off :v:

Regarding the episode, EVA is one of the better escort missions I can think of just from the fact that she's willing to pop a dude in the face. Also her legs work and she doesn't just teleport past all the enemies, literally leaving you to the wolves.

Danaru fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Nov 24, 2015

Successful Businessmanga
Mar 28, 2010

Danaru posted:





Let's Play Metal Gear Solid 3 Episode 16 - Baby Snake

The best part about Time Paradoxes is that it's not even your codec crew, Paul Eiding comes back from the future specifically to tell you to knock it off :v:

Regarding the episode, EVA is one of the better escort missions I can think of just from the fact that she's willing to pop a dude in the face. Also her legs work and she doesn't just teleport past all the enemies, literally leaving you to the wolves.

That's not an episode of snake eater at all!!! :v: TIME PARADOX

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

How the gently caress did I manage that :stare:

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty
Haha, that Eva cure menu is amazing. Apparently you were playing at midnight, because that's the only time on your internal system clock she'll do her little lay down pose. Apparently there's things you can do to kajigger it so that she poses without the motorcycle jumper too. Also, I like how you just kinda whizzed right past your explanation of what Procitis is (you're correct by the way, it's totally gotten from mishaps with butt stuff. Especially STDs) and didn't go further down the list to see that she's had breast enlargement and other plastic surgery. (also she apparently gets night terrors, and had tick-based encephalitis)

One other thing...the "snow" based camo that is completely useless everywhere else in the game is actually helpful in the flower field...cause it's all white, ya dig? There's another easter egg in that field too, but I'll wait til after the video to talk about it in case Dan shows it off.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


That scar is still my favorite thing about Peace Walker. Just goddamn :allears:

The speech was one of the big reasons why people don't like Portable Ops. The villain in that essentially makes Outer Heaven, we are shown that it is a Bad Idea, and Snake goes "SO TIME TO MAKE OUTER HEAVEN!"

Jeedy Jay
Nov 8, 2012

SSNeoman posted:

The speech was one of the big reasons why people don't like Portable Ops. The villain in that essentially makes Outer Heaven, we are shown that it is a Bad Idea, and Snake goes "SO TIME TO MAKE OUTER HEAVEN!"

The more we see and learn of Big Boss, the dumber he gets. This is why the fact that we're never getting that WW2 game starring The Boss is actually a good thing.

If anything, that's one of the big recurring themes in the Metal Gear series - "the legend" is bullshit.

Hrvstmn31
Aug 2, 2014

You did what in your cup?
Man I'm so glad you didn't see that third Russian just lie down in the grass so you could step on him.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

Hrvstmn31 posted:

Man I'm so glad you didn't see that third Russian just lie down in the grass so you could step on him.

I still can't believe I did it, watching the footage back it's REALLY obvious that some idiot is laying there, but at the time he might as well have been invisible :saddowns: I think I might be an idiot.


Choco1980 posted:

One other thing...the "snow" based camo that is completely useless everywhere else in the game is actually helpful in the flower field...cause it's all white, ya dig? There's another easter egg in that field too, but I'll wait til after the video to talk about it in case Dan shows it off.

If you're talking about the snakes, I mention them, but I was too busy getting owned to actually go find them :v:

Fun game you guys can play, guess how many tries it takes me to defeat The Boss!

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty
Yeah, I'm talking about the snakes.

Also, I blame your failures on Liquid Dan.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

Choco1980 posted:

Yeah, I'm talking about the snakes.

Also, I blame your failures on Liquid Dan.

Solid Dan got all the dominant dunks. Liquid Dan was left with the recessive ones.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??




Let's Play Metal Gear Solid 3 Episode 17 - Undunkable

So a little update, due to me loving up minor miscalculations, Peace Walker will be delayed for a bit. We've got a couple Sonic episodes on standby that we recorded right after this episode, and in the mean time we're going to get started on MGS2's Substance VR Missions. Could be about a month for Peace Walker.

Hrvstmn31
Aug 2, 2014

You did what in your cup?
Man that was great I knew The Boss died but I didn't know why she had done it and that poo poo is hosed.

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty
Haha, Ocelot is such a turd at any turn. Did I hear right and the REAL Eva was a dude we never met? I'm pretty sure on the recording she said both codebreaker double agents were men...

Finally, totally hype for Substance to start. The VR missions showed off well just how much potential the first MGS engine had. Substance then does the same for the exponentially more complex MGS 2 engine. Besides the absurdities the game is famous for, there's actually a ton of clever modes in the game.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

Choco1980 posted:

Haha, Ocelot is such a turd at any turn. Did I hear right and the REAL Eva was a dude we never met? I'm pretty sure on the recording she said both codebreaker double agents were men...

I'm almost positive that the real EVA that our Eva is impersonating is never, ever referenced or spoken of ever again. Which is nuts, for Metal Gear Solid!

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Eva: History will never know the truth about The Boss. America will hate her as a traitor and Russians will hate her for nuking them.

The Boss Grave: In memory of a patriot who saved the world.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
See, this is the best kind of Bond movie: dumb poo poo at every step but turns juuust a bit deeper at the end, only to finish in even more dumb poo poo.

I'm seriously cringing at the sniping at the start. I mean, yeah, aiming on a controller sucks but this can't be that hard can it?

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

anilEhilated posted:

I'm seriously cringing at the sniping at the start. I mean, yeah, aiming on a controller sucks but this can't be that hard can it?

I try not to lower myself to the shameful act of sniping, so I don't have much practice. :colbert:

Aumanor
Nov 9, 2012

NikkolasKing posted:

Eva: History will never know the truth about The Boss. America will hate her as a traitor and Russians will hate her for nuking them.

The Boss Grave: In memory of a patriot who saved the world.

You might have noticed that there's no name on her grave.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Anyway, Snake and Otacon getting executed for war crimes would be the perfect way to end the series - a statement on the absurdity of it all.
But then again I'm part of the crowd that thinks the story was better off left at the end of MGS2 so you want to take that with a grain of salt.

Kal-L
Jan 18, 2005

Heh... Spider-man... Web searches... That's funny. I should've trademarked that one. Could've made a mint.

Danaru posted:

I still can't believe I did it, watching the footage back it's REALLY obvious that some idiot is laying there, but at the time he might as well have been invisible :saddowns: I think I might be an idiot.

Maybe he was using some kind of clothes that had the same color as the surrounding terrain. Like, I don't know, CAMOUFLAGE?

:v:

CJacobs posted:

I'm almost positive that the real EVA that our Eva is impersonating is never, ever referenced or spoken of ever again. Which is nuts, for Metal Gear Solid!

I've always thought that ADAM and EVA are Ocelot and... Dun dun dun... Raidenovich!

Think about it... Ocelot goes to the factory, the 1911 gun most probably comes from him, he has an habit of being a mole, he ends up helping Big Boss...

An EVA seems like a good code name for the obviously bi-sexual/gay Raidenovich back in the 1960's.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

Kal-L posted:

I've always thought that ADAM and EVA are Ocelot and... Dun dun dun... Raidenovich!

I actually really like this theory mainly because it means LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE PERSON WORKING WITH VOLGIN WAS AN ENEMY SPY and he STILL couldn't figure it out

White Coke
May 29, 2015
It also makes the creation of the Raidenovitch mask even more absurd since it means the CIA was planning to have someone disguise as one of their own moles. Unless the CIA was unaware that Raidenovitch was a US mole because the NSA or some other agency was keeping that information secret which is itself pretty stupid.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
I was really hoping for Grace and Dan doing a duet singalong to Way to Fall :(

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
My theory is that the real EVA is Grampa Johnny and I will not hear otherwise

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Hey yeah, his family's in America.

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

Danaru posted:

I actually really like this theory mainly because it means LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE PERSON WORKING WITH VOLGIN WAS AN ENEMY SPY and he STILL couldn't figure it out

Poor guy probably figures somebody's got to be trustworthy, but whoever he picks, they'll just lie to him and say "oh yeah, everything seems pretty fine, dunno what you're worrying about."

White Coke posted:

It also makes the creation of the Raidenovitch mask even more absurd since it means the CIA was planning to have someone disguise as one of their own moles. Unless the CIA was unaware that Raidenovitch was a US mole because the NSA or some other agency was keeping that information secret which is itself pretty stupid.

Fun fact: one of the reasons the US has so many separate intelligence agencies is because they were always afraid the Russians would penetrate them, so there were probably lots of cases when multiple agencies' agents were simultaneously working on something without knowing about the others. Paranoia over efficiency was the order the day.

e: VV: Oh yeah, being paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you, as they say.

Akratic Method fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Nov 29, 2015

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
I'm assuming that particular manifestation in paranoia was pretty well-grounded in reality, given the amount of high-ranked SIS people who turned out to be Soviet spies. I don't think the Americans had anyone like Burgess, Maclean, Philby and Blunt?

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!
One thing I'm wondering, did the Cobras (besides The Boss) know about all the double-crossings and backstabbings that were going on? Or did they simply decided "Yeah, might as well go Soviet, retirement was boring anyways" when The Boss called on them?

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty
Based exclusively on what they say and act like in game, I'd say most of them just wanted to fight and gave zero shits who they were fighting or why. The Fury seemed like maybe he had some of the same inklings going on about disenfranchisement (and he was pissed over it) and The Sorrow was definitely in on Boss's machinations.

Like it feels like the order you encounter the Cobras is the order from least to most of how involved in Boss's plan they are. The Pain is just following orders I suspect. The Fear and The End, for different reasons, don't care about borders and want to fight Snake. The Fury definitely is pissed at the petty nationalism going on and tantruming over it. The Sorrow knows what Boss and Snake have to do and probably why.

George Rouncewell
Jul 20, 2007

You think that's illegal? Heh, watch this.
Speaking of being a "nuclear test subject", i'm pretty sure Snake was supposed to be around Bikini Atoll during the Castle Bravo hydrogen bomb test which were crazy dangerous for all involved. The nearby atolls were not evacuated until after 48 hours of the detonation, leading to lot of people suffering from radiation sickness.


Bonus footage of soldiers walking around near a detonation site during the Desert Rock excersises in 1957:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nvTd5mNRz0

George Rouncewell fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Nov 29, 2015

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

anilEhilated posted:

I'm assuming that particular manifestation in paranoia was pretty well-grounded in reality, given the amount of high-ranked SIS people who turned out to be Soviet spies. I don't think the Americans had anyone like Burgess, Maclean, Philby and Blunt?

I don't know of any single network that was recruited in college and sought state employment for the sole purpose of feeding intelligence to the Soviets like the Cambridge Five, but Ames and Hanssen were quite effective in gutting CIA and FBI activities related to the Soviet Union.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
"The Great Game" fascinates me, honestly, although considering how often it's used as a setpiece, it fascinates a lot of people. :v: Incidentally, if you ever want to play a really neat game, check out "Spycraft: The Great Game". It stars William Colby, head of the CIA from 1973 to 1976 as well as Oleg Kalugin, a KGB defector who made Russia SO mad that Putin himself convicted him of treason convicted of treason in absentia like 7 years after he bailed out of Russia. Kalugin's as good as blood in my books and I hope you all feel the same :colbert: Anyone who Putin hates is welcome to my house, and I'll personally make some spaghetti for them.

Seriously though, Grace and I considered doing an LP of Spycraft for an LP rather than every Metal Gear game ever. It's an absolutely fantastic game, and it's what I bring up to counter anyone who says all FMV games are poo poo. It's on GOG.com, but I loved it enough to track down a physical copy to own :v: Good-rear end game I recommend it to everyone.

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty
Random question that I'm sure you've answered multiple times now: Are you capable of doing Portable Ops for the thread? I mean, it takes place in-between Snake Eater and Peace Walker...

Also, random rhetorical question: I wonder why nobody has tried to like, remake MG 1 & 2 in like, PS2 level or higher graphics and mechanics and voice acting. Don't tell me you wouldn't be all about that.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Choco1980 posted:

Random question that I'm sure you've answered multiple times now: Are you capable of doing Portable Ops for the thread? I mean, it takes place in-between Snake Eater and Peace Walker...

Also, random rhetorical question: I wonder why nobody has tried to like, remake MG 1 & 2 in like, PS2 level or higher graphics and mechanics and voice acting. Don't tell me you wouldn't be all about that.

Even from a gameplay standpoint those games could use a remake as they both have their share of problems (for example, Metal Gear's key card system where none of the doors are labeled so you have to rely on trial and error to determine which card goes where and Metal Gear 2's excessive amounts of backtracking). Hell, since the first game's pretty light as far as story goes you could probably trim it down a bit and combine both MSX titles into one game, they could just call it MGS6 for all I care.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Nov 30, 2015

ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

Some fan group tried to remake MG1 in a modern engine and David Hayter signed up to voice Snake. Then Konami shut it down. MG2 has kind of been remade with MGS1 already.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

Choco1980 posted:

Random question that I'm sure you've answered multiple times now: Are you capable of doing Portable Ops for the thread? I mean, it takes place in-between Snake Eater and Peace Walker...

Portable Ops is on our list to do at some point, we were actually going to do it before Peace Walker instead of Substance, but we also don't want to marry ourselves to a 15 hour game before we can play Peace Walker. 95% of our choice of game order is based solely on which one we want to play at the time.





Let's Play Sonic Adventure Episode 5 - Legit Salt

Imagine visiting a new city so you load up your GPS to find out where you need to go, but instead of telling you, your GPS ACTIVELY waits for you to miss a turn then yells at you constantly for it.

That's how this episode felt.

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Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug
Those fire spin enemies are bullshit forever.

Clearly the reason you were terrible at that particular room was because it was Snake themed, and you couldn't bring yourself to leave Snake behind by beating it.

Falling into pits represents dunks.

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