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Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

nollij posted:

Will be hauling the car around in-state and down to California. Will probably hold onto the truck for 20+ years. I drive 110 miles a day for work (put 80,000 miles on my car in the last 3.5 years). I like the diesel torque and all the bells that will make my life easier towing.

I can fix poo poo myself when it goes out of warranty.

Congrats, you're the unicorn for whom it makes sense, enjoy your Baby Duramax.

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nollij
Aug 30, 2006

Wait, wait, wait...

When did this happen?!?
Yea. Truck will be registered in a county without emissions testing. Just need to be able to patch the ECU when the emissions equipment inevitably fails.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Wheeee posted:

Congrats, you're the unicorn for whom it makes sense, enjoy your Baby Duramax.

nollij posted:

Yea. Truck will be registered in a county without emissions testing. Just need to be able to patch the ECU when the emissions equipment inevitably fails.

The chosen one!

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

nollij posted:

Will be hauling the car around in-state and down to California. Will probably hold onto the truck for 20+ years. I drive 110 miles a day for work (put 80,000 miles on my car in the last 3.5 years). I like the diesel torque and all the bells that will make my life easier towing.


I really don't think you want a Colorado then - they're lucky to make it out of warranty period let alone to the two decade mark.

D C
Jun 20, 2004

1-800-HOTLINEBLING
1-800-HOTLINEBLING
1-800-HOTLINEBLING

davebo posted:

Do you guys typically use summer tires on daily drivers and use them in the rain? I have summers on my corvette but I make it a point to not drive that if the forecast calls for rain. I've been caught in the wet a few times which isn't a big deal, I just drive more carefully, but those are usually minor drizzlings. I'd hate to get caught in a huge thunderstorm with them.

In my experience, summer tires fare way better in the rain then any all-seasons ive ever driven.

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.

blk posted:

I've been less than thrilled with the AS3s on my Saabaru. The wet performance is ho-hum, the dry performance is lackluster. They are terrible on ice and snow. I honestly had better luck in all categories with the Ventus V12s that the PO had on the car when I bought it.

E: I have studded Altimax Arctics for snow/ice now but haven't gotten to try them out yet. When the AS3s are done I'll switch to something more summery for the 363 days/year it doesn't snow here.

Bridgestone RE970As? I'm on my second set of the 960As on my Saaburu and love them. Really good in the wet, too.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Sagebrush posted:

Yeah, this was my grandpa's attitude, living in eastern Canada his whole life. "I don't need snow tires, I've been driving for fifty years and never had any problems in the winter, it's a waste of money."

Then, after we finally convinced him: "Holy poo poo! These tires really work in the snow, you know that?"

I think you're just plain foolish for conflating "extra grip" with the speed you're going, too. The ground traction doesn't change whether you're going a hundred miles an hour or ten, just the results of the accident. Maybe you have a different idea of "so snowy that it keeps you from driving" than most people do.

Oh, and changing out the wheels is nothing. You pay once for a set of tires and four cheap steelies, and it takes half an hour with a breaker bar and torque wrench to change the wheels over in your driveway. Swapping all three of our cars' wheels for the snow tires started being one of my chores when I was like 13 years old and it still would only take an afternoon.


I drove a miata for the last 10 years. For the first 6, I used snows every winter. It was a pain in the rear end. I switched to just using nice all-seasons and it had 0 impact upon my ability to drive. The only time I felt like the all-seasons were worse than the snows were when it was a near white-out and I probably shouldn't have been on the road anyway.

Maybe if you live way out in the boonies and the roads aren't cleared regularly it's different, but if you live in a typical urban area snow tires are a total waste. Drive slowly to give yourself enough time to react to things in a slow and safe manner and you're fine.

Elephanthead
Sep 11, 2008


Toilet Rascal
I drive to fast snow or no snow so the minimal cost and effort of having someone else install the tires twice a year is worth my reduced chance of death, when you consider the cost of death to be infinity.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe
It takes like half an hour to an hour at most to change out your wheels to snows. I'll probably go ahead and do it today since the temperature is finally supposed to drop and we might get some wintery mix over the next few days. That and my first trip to Colorado is only a couple of weeks away.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

I drove a miata for the last 10 years. For the first 6, I used snows every winter. It was a pain in the rear end. I switched to just using nice all-seasons and it had 0 impact upon my ability to drive. The only time I felt like the all-seasons were worse than the snows were when it was a near white-out and I probably shouldn't have been on the road anyway.

Maybe if you live way out in the boonies and the roads aren't cleared regularly it's different, but if you live in a typical urban area snow tires are a total waste. Drive slowly to give yourself enough time to react to things in a slow and safe manner and you're fine.

Like I said, maybe you have a different idea of how much snow is too much. If you live in the mid-atlantic or something I can totally understand. Here's what an average road on an average winter day looks like in my hometown:



That's well after the plows have been by (they come out at around 4AM). No, your Miata does NOT handle just as well on all-seasons as it would on snow tires in those conditions.

Here's a highway:



Is that entire chain of cars back there a bunch of idiots who shouldn't even be on the road? This is just how the roads work in some parts of the world.

If you're in Virginia and the kids get a snow day when there's half an inch on the ground then fine, you don't need to worry about snow tires, but we're arguing two different points.

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Nov 25, 2015

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:
Maybe winter tires are a placebo after all

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

The AWD of tires.

Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



This one weird trick big rubber doesn't want you to know.

A Proper Uppercut
Sep 30, 2008

I have relatively low profile wheels on my Mazda 3. Last year I had two blowouts in two weeks on the same goddam tire. Needless to say, I picked up a set of smaller wheels with taller winter tires already mounted for like $400. If you live in New England and think winter tires are a placebo, I don't know what to tell you.

Goober Peas
Jun 30, 2007

Check out my 'Vette, bro


Bajaha posted:

This one weird trick big rubber doesn't want you to know.

I parsed this completely differently the first time :laffo:

tetrapyloctomy
Feb 18, 2003

Okay -- you talk WAY too fast.
Nap Ghost

drgitlin posted:

Bridgestone RE970As? I'm on my second set of the 960As on my Saaburu and love them. Really good in the wet, too.

I switched from 960As to Continental DWSes and like the latter, but obviously I was comparing worn-out 960As to new DWSes. =) The 960As were a great step up from what I had before, though I can't tell you for the life of me what those were anymore. There was also a big difference between the 960As and my Altimaxes even light snow, but that was also fairly late in the life cycle of the 960As and I'm sure it would not have been as pronounced a few years earlier.

It took a bit longer to change the tires out this time, but that's because I was lazy and had a garage do it two changes ago and they knackered some of the studs. Come on, people, it really is not that hard to finger-tighten the lug nuts and then torque them down instead of just crank them on with an impact wrench regardless of whether or not they're spinning freely. When I put the all-seasons on last March one of the bolts was completely hosed, and thankfully a mechanic friend of mine was able to swap it out just in time for me to get to work that night.

nollij
Aug 30, 2006

Wait, wait, wait...

When did this happen?!?

Powershift posted:

The chosen one!

Put an order in for it today. Hopefully GM picks it up next week and I'll have my new truck in 6-8 weeks.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Motor trend put the GT350R against the Z/28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtdtGgf1BF0

Summary: The GT350r is more comfortable on the road with a far nicer interior. faster in a straight line and around the track. far more outward visibility and steering feel. Sounds like heaven, goes like hell.

The inevitable gen 6 z/28 vs GT350R battle will be one for the ages.

heated game moment
Oct 30, 2003

Lipstick Apathy
Some of the new Z/28s are marked down to the low $50,000 range but that's still a lot of money for a 4,000lb track car with optional A/C and 1 speaker sound system IMO.

LMAO the MSRP of a new Z/28 is within a few grand of a new Z06 which might explain the discounts

heated game moment fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Nov 26, 2015

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

Powershift posted:

Motor trend put the GT350R against the Z/28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtdtGgf1BF0

Summary: The GT350r is more comfortable on the road with a far nicer interior. faster in a straight line and around the track. far more outward visibility and steering feel. Sounds like heaven, goes like hell.

The inevitable gen 6 z/28 vs GT350R battle will be one for the ages.

Reeeeeeally making me want to save my shekels for a year or two to buy a GT350; that sound. :stwoon:

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


El Scotch posted:

Reeeeeeally making me want to save my shekels for a year or two to buy a GT350; that sound. :stwoon:

I don't want to push anybody into a foolish decision, but Shelby badged mustangs don't seem to depreciate nearly as much as most cars. 2011 MSRP was $50k and most are around $40k now. 2007 MSRP was $40k, and it takes 100,000 miles or a salvage title to drag em down to $25k.

You almost can't afford not to own one.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

Why would I get rid of it? :haw:

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.

0toShifty posted:

I've driven FWD+Snows my whole life.

I borrowed a family member's Subaru with brand new all seasons on it for one storm and I felt like I was gonna die. Giving the car any gas while not going perfectly straight makes it spin like a merry-go-round.

Drove plenty of seasons in Subarus and all-seasons with no real issues when I lived in WI, but the two seasons with a WRX and Altimax Arctics was ~amazing~. Snows on anything is definitely better than AWD and all-seasons, but AWD and snows is a different world from FWD.

atomicthumbs posted:

bay area problems: it never snows so I don't buy snow tires, but it does freeze plenty in the winter so I can't go with summer tires

You must be pretty far out.


My old WRX had Pilot Super Sports in the spring/summer/fall and Arctics in the winter, it was incredible.

DEUCE SLUICE fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Nov 26, 2015

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

DEUCE SLUICE posted:

Drove plenty of seasons in Subarus and all-seasons with no real issues when I lived in WI, but the two seasons with a WRX and Altimax Arctics was ~amazing~. Snows on anything is definitely better than AWD and all-seasons, but AWD and snows is a different world from FWD.


You must be pretty far out.


My old WRX had Pilot Super Sports in the spring/summer/fall and Arctics in the winter, it was incredible.

North bay :toot:

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Powershift posted:

Motor trend put the GT350R against the Z/28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtdtGgf1BF0

Summary: The GT350r is more comfortable on the road with a far nicer interior. faster in a straight line and around the track. far more outward visibility and steering feel. Sounds like heaven, goes like hell.

The inevitable gen 6 z/28 vs GT350R battle will be one for the ages.

There's a Mustang importer in my suburb, and on my way to work one of the employees was driving one of those Mustangs (it was badged as a GT350, not sure if it really was one) alongside me and it sounded like pure porn.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Gary’s Answer

Sagebrush posted:

Like I said, maybe you have a different idea of how much snow is too much. If you live in the mid-atlantic or something I can totally understand. Here's what an average road on an average winter day looks like in my hometown:



That's well after the plows have been by (they come out at around 4AM). No, your Miata does NOT handle just as well on all-seasons as it would on snow tires in those conditions.

Here's a highway:



Is that entire chain of cars back there a bunch of idiots who shouldn't even be on the road? This is just how the roads work in some parts of the world.

If you're in Virginia and the kids get a snow day when there's half an inch on the ground then fine, you don't need to worry about snow tires, but we're arguing two different points.

Dude, I said in my first post that I live in Wisconsin. My weather is nothing like Virginia. Our winters look just like the pictures you posted.

You can't control the other drivers on the road, but snow tires don't make the other drivers smarter.

And switching your wheels is a pain in the rear end. Especially if you're like me and you have herniated discs.

Snow tires are nice, but they just don't make as big a difference as you're making out. I even ran studded tires at one point and the car still slid just as much on ice as it did without.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

And switching your wheels is a pain in the rear end. Especially if you're like me and you have herniated discs.

Tire shops perform this service for a relatively small fee.

quote:

Snow tires are nice, but they just don't make as big a difference as you're making out. I even ran studded tires at one point and the car still slid just as much on ice as it did without.

You should probably learn to drive correctly.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

Powershift posted:

I don't want to push anybody into a foolish decision, but Shelby badged mustangs don't seem to depreciate nearly as much as most cars. 2011 MSRP was $50k and most are around $40k now. 2007 MSRP was $40k, and it takes 100,000 miles or a salvage title to drag em down to $25k.

You almost can't afford not to own one.

Yeah, I think they'll hold their value fairly well. I need to get serious and go see if I can find a non-R with the track pack to test drive. The sound they make is just so good. I don't think I'd have that hard of a time taking one over the 911's I've been looking at.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

davebo posted:

Do you guys typically use summer tires on daily drivers and use them in the rain? I have summers on my corvette but I make it a point to not drive that if the forecast calls for rain. I've been caught in the wet a few times which isn't a big deal, I just drive more carefully, but those are usually minor drizzlings. I'd hate to get caught in a huge thunderstorm with them.

I have Pilot Super Sports on my car and they're about as summery as a summer tire gets and they still do just fine in rain here in the PNW where it rains 2/3 of the year. The 'summer' designation on tires really has nothing to do with their ability to handle wet, it just means it's made of a compound that won't grip well once it gets down around 40F or below.

I've stopped driving it much now that the temps are starting to peak at around 45F at best, and using my crappy Jeep instead until we start warming up in spring just because in these temps they grip about as well as marbles even in the dry.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
My car came with 265 width Pirelli P-Zero's and they're great in the rain, even heavy downpour.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe
I've got a set of Continental DW for my car and they're absolutely fantastic in the wet.

I've left summer tires on too long before and never really had issues with the cold. Still having them on when it snows is a completely different story though.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Powershift posted:

I don't want to push anybody into a foolish decision, but Shelby badged mustangs don't seem to depreciate nearly as much as most cars. 2011 MSRP was $50k and most are around $40k now. 2007 MSRP was $40k, and it takes 100,000 miles or a salvage title to drag em down to $25k.

You almost can't afford not to own one.

If you take good care of it and keep it stock, I guarantee it will start appreciating again after ~20 years. It's always difficult to pin down what will be a desirable "classic" car in the future, but this seems like as close to a sure thing as you're gonna get.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

KillHour posted:

this seems like as close to a sure thing as you're gonna get.

As Ford proceeds to churn out, and sell, tens of thousands of them over the generation of the car.

blk
Dec 19, 2009
.
In an alternate universe where I'd have the time and talent to make YouTube car videos, I'd like to compare old and new variants of the same categories. 944 vs BRZ, S2000 vs ND Miata, maybe 1st gen Infiniti FX or RDX vs Mazda CX-5 on the boring side. Is anyone else interested in this stuff or am I just boring?

blk fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Nov 26, 2015

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


blk posted:

In an alternate universe where I'd have the time and talent to make YouTube car videos, I'd like to compare old and new variants of the same categories. 944 vs BRZ, S2000 vs ND Miata, maybe 1st gen Infiniti FX or RDX vs Mazda CX-5 on the boring side. Is anyone else interested in this stuff or am I just boring?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGvTvFzdMg_O9JEZFHVjEmdcLPj_sEhv2

0toShifty
Aug 21, 2005
0 to Stiffy?
So I had this new car I work that was in for a tire replacement.

It was a 2015 Mercedes E250 Bluetec.

It had an absurd amount of power for a puny 2.1L engine - unbelievable. The gear ratios seemed to really help - it was almost CVT like. It also shut off at stop signs like a hybrid.

Too bad Volkswagen just murdered the reputation of Diesels forever.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

0toShifty posted:

So I had this new car I work that was in for a tire replacement.

It was a 2015 Mercedes E250 Bluetec.

It had an absurd amount of power for a puny 2.1L engine - unbelievable. The gear ratios seemed to really help - it was almost CVT like. It also shut off at stop signs like a hybrid.

Too bad Volkswagen just murdered the reputation of Diesels forever.

Yeah, Mercedes diesels are excellent, and I still see a lot of them out and about, although it doesn't shut off at stoplights. I doubt they'll catch too much poo poo from the VW implosion. Mercedes customers don't really give a gently caress about VW and their inferior non-luxurious vehicles.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
why dont yall just go gamble on the stock market instead of worrying about future car value

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi
Well this looks pretty neat:

http://jalopnik.com/volkswagens-gti-clubsport-is-the-first-golf-with-real-d-1744794083

I love the GTI/R but it's tough to see where something like this fits in the lineup (although we'll never get it). Still pretty awesome.

Residency Evil fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Nov 26, 2015

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KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Wheeee posted:

As Ford proceeds to churn out, and sell, tens of thousands of them over the generation of the car.

It's not about the number produced, it's about the number left. If 98% of them end up wrapped around a light pole or rusted to oblivion, you're set.

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