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Gus Hobbleton
Dec 30, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 3 years!

Helsing posted:

This is a weird interpretation of The Wire.

It's also probably the most common.

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Lassitude
Oct 21, 2003

Weird BIAS posted:

What is it with dentists?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOtMizMQ6oM

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

We are one step closer to Ships Not Starting Here

Edit: Wire Chat: the show was very obvious in saying that paperwork and administration holds up Good Police Work

Professor Shark fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Nov 26, 2015

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Lady Naga posted:

People thought Walter White was the good guy.

Full Metal Jacket was a pro-war film

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

flakeloaf posted:

:stonk: CTV just reported that the VON is shutting down in six provinces. That's.... that's really bad. They do some pretty awesome work

gently caress

Lady Naga
Apr 25, 2008

Voyons Donc!

THC posted:

Full Metal Jacket was a pro-war film

Ride of the Valkyries is a good and cool song to play when you're in a helicopter.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




yeah just want to be clear, that's not my personal interpretation of The Wire, but it is something that I can see people drawing as a conclusion on just a surface level though

Vic Boss
Jan 19, 2007

:ocelot:
You're pretty good.
:ocelot:

bunnyofdoom posted:

gently caress

Is there any way for a regular ol' Vancouverite to get a signed glamour shot of Justin?

I need it for research.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

Vic Boss posted:

Is there any way for a regular ol' Vancouverite to get a signed glamour shot of Justin?

I need it for research.

Email us. Yes, we do send them out.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer
If you have a uniform and a faction logo like an 80's cartoon show you are a Good Guy and whatever you do is Good and Just, but if you don't you're just a thug and whatever who cares what happens to you, you're probably a rapist or want to feed the poor or something

Vic Boss
Jan 19, 2007

:ocelot:
You're pretty good.
:ocelot:

bunnyofdoom posted:

Email us. Yes, we do send them out.

Done. I'm all over this.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Ron Paul Atreides posted:

so we're looking at 50 - 60 thousand by end 2016? or just 35?

either way not enough :smith: I was hoping the 25k number was just short term and we would step it up as we went

"Immigration minister expects at least 35K #SyrianRefugees by end of 2016. Says gov't sponsoring 25K, public sponsoring 10K or more. #cdnpoli" :shrug:

Office Sheep
Jan 20, 2007

bunnyofdoom posted:

Email us. Yes, we do send them out.

Do I just send an email with my address to send one to? We all need signed Glamour shots now.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

bunnyofdoom posted:

Email us. Yes, we do send them out.

What about Princess Leia Sophie Grégoire?

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Can I get a signed glossy photo of Pierre Elliot Trudeau?

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

Professor Shark posted:

What about Princess Leia Sophie Grégoire?

Doubt it

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Can I get a signed glossy photo of Pierre Elliot Trudeau?

No.

Office Sheep posted:

Do I just send an email with my address to send one to? We all need signed Glamour shots now.
Sorta. Basically, it used to be we sent you to a form to fill out. Right now, with PMO transition, there amy be a different process in place.

Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)
You love this poo poo, don't you, bunny.

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Sep 9, 2022

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Yup, I was an MP for a short spell. In peacetime we do the same thing civilian cops do (except for cases with rape, murder and treason), and since our sections tended to be small you really had to embrace the whole "MP means Multi Purpose" philosophy and be a bit bolder about taking your files into your own hands. Then someone catches you typing without looking at the keys and using keyboard shortcuts and the next thing you know you're a dayworking cube farmer :(

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Sep 9, 2022

David Corbett
Feb 6, 2008

Courage, my friends; 'tis not too late to build a better world.

flakeloaf posted:

Yup, I was an MP for a short spell. In peacetime we do the same thing civilian cops do (except for cases with rape, murder and treason), and since our sections tended to be small you really had to embrace the whole "MP means Multi Purpose" philosophy and be a bit bolder about taking your files into your own hands. Then someone catches you typing without looking at the keys and using keyboard shortcuts and the next thing you know you're a dayworking cube farmer :(

How does it differ from the civilian justice system in cases of rape, murder or treason? Curious here.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

Kafka Esq. posted:

You love this poo poo, don't you, bunny.

You have no loving idea

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

David Corbett posted:

How does it differ from the civilian justice system in cases of rape, murder or treason? Curious here.

I think the civilian police handle the first two at least.

Guy DeBorgore
Apr 6, 1994

Catnip is the opiate of the masses
Soiled Meat
I know most people itt don't find NDP insider chat interesting but I'm gonna push on through:

Helsing posted:

The much more radical NDP / CCF of the past was able to exercise a lot of influence without ever winning a federal election. Canada doesn't particularly need another Liberal party, especially now that it's clear that the actual Liberal party is not on the verge of being wiped out. My preference would be for an anti-status quo party that offers a stronger alternative to the existing parties by championing policies like free tuition or significantly higher taxes on the wealthy or socialized dental care etc., hopefully while also trying to develop a stronger relationship with workers organizations and activists.

My (unrealistic) ideal would be that the NDP should not be a party lead and advised by people who go on to work at cushy political consultancy gigs or law firms. To paraphrase Tommy Douglas, mouseland needs to elect a mouse to lead it instead of choosing between the white cat or the black cat.

So you want a return to the days where the NDP was a permanent 3rd party getting 10-15% of the vote every election? I sympathize, but as someone who worked alongside NDP staffers and is still friends with a few of them, I just can't agree with you. The jobs of those staffers and their MPs depend on winning elections. Now that the party's tasted victory, there's a strong culture of people whose careers depend on finding another victory. And that's not a bad thing, that's just part of being a mature political party that's capable of winning an election. Having a party full of part-timers, activists and grizzled union vets is all well and dandy, but if you actually form government you're gonna need a fleet of high-energy policy wonks who care more about getting poo poo done than about staying ideologically pure. In Greece we saw what happens when a left-wing protest party accidentally wins an election. I was incredibly excited about Syriza's victory because I thought they were going to revolutionize the way politics were done. Instead, they just made a bunch of amateur mistakes and squandered their opportunity.

It's not like there's a dearth of leftist organizations promoting all kinds of radical policies. IMO the NDP doesn't need to be another one of those- it should be a serious political party whose job is to win elections and potentially form a government some day. If that means we get a less-corrupt, slightly-more-progressive version of the Liberals, then great! That still sounds better than the status quo to me.

On the other hand, if there's going to be a society-wide leftist revolution that fundamentally transforms the way politics works in Canada, that's great too! But that shouldn't be the NDP's goal. There's a lot of really smart, driven people working insanely long hours for the NDP, people who frankly do more to advance leftist politics in a single election than a hundred grumpy old Marxists, and those people have staked their careers on the NDP being a professional, serious political party. It's neither fair nor realistic to expect those people to consign themselves to life on the political sidelines. They'll just hold their noses and jump ship to the Liberals instead.

PS: Free tuition and any variant on it is awful policy, even when Barack Obama was doing it.

COOLGUY TRUE
Jan 7, 2005

Too True! Cool, too.
They should hold their nose and jump ship to the Liberals.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Guys, vote ndp so that those poor ndp staffers can feed their families :(

Guy DeBorgore
Apr 6, 1994

Catnip is the opiate of the masses
Soiled Meat
Vote for whatever party is least likely to let CI back into Canada.

Which, since he's male and presumably single, would seem to be the Liberals.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

David Corbett posted:

How does it differ from the civilian justice system in cases of rape, murder or treason? Curious here.

Yeah, the civilian police handle those because the MPs don't see enough of those cases to get good at them.

And to head off the obvious joke, sexual assaults have to be reported before they get investigated and I'd wager two toes and a nostril that the rate at which CAF members report sexual assaults to anyone, MPs or civilian cops, is an order of magnitude lower than the rate at which civilians do.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer

Guy DeBorgore posted:

I know most people itt don't find NDP insider chat interesting but I'm gonna push on through:


So you want a return to the days where the NDP was a permanent 3rd party getting 10-15% of the vote every election? I sympathize, but as someone who worked alongside NDP staffers and is still friends with a few of them, I just can't agree with you. The jobs of those staffers and their MPs depend on winning elections. Now that the party's tasted victory, there's a strong culture of people whose careers depend on finding another victory. And that's not a bad thing, that's just part of being a mature political party that's capable of winning an election. Having a party full of part-timers, activists and grizzled union vets is all well and dandy, but if you actually form government you're gonna need a fleet of high-energy policy wonks who care more about getting poo poo done than about staying ideologically pure. In Greece we saw what happens when a left-wing protest party accidentally wins an election. I was incredibly excited about Syriza's victory because I thought they were going to revolutionize the way politics were done. Instead, they just made a bunch of amateur mistakes and squandered their opportunity.

It's not like there's a dearth of leftist organizations promoting all kinds of radical policies. IMO the NDP doesn't need to be another one of those- it should be a serious political party whose job is to win elections and potentially form a government some day. If that means we get a less-corrupt, slightly-more-progressive version of the Liberals, then great! That still sounds better than the status quo to me.

On the other hand, if there's going to be a society-wide leftist revolution that fundamentally transforms the way politics works in Canada, that's great too! But that shouldn't be the NDP's goal. There's a lot of really smart, driven people working insanely long hours for the NDP, people who frankly do more to advance leftist politics in a single election than a hundred grumpy old Marxists, and those people have staked their careers on the NDP being a professional, serious political party. It's neither fair nor realistic to expect those people to consign themselves to life on the political sidelines. They'll just hold their noses and jump ship to the Liberals instead.

PS: Free tuition and any variant on it is awful policy, even when Barack Obama was doing it.

What makes the NDP a "serious" party and why should people who make less than six figures give a poo poo anymore

COOLGUY TRUE
Jan 7, 2005

Too True! Cool, too.
A serious party is a party that has begun capitulating to international and private sector demands before it takes power, a radical party is one that capitulates after

upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

Guy DeBorgore posted:

So you want a return to the days where the NDP was a permanent 3rd party getting 10-15% of the vote every election?

We have returned to those days give or take a couple of percentage points, eventhough very serious people with very important ideas are now in charge.

Same place we were before, minus a soul.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

The NDP is in a much better position now than after the 2008 election, in which their centrepiece plank was a 2% tax cut for small business. The real job creators

Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Nov 26, 2015

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
I would rather vote for a leftist NDP that gets 15% of the vote each election than a Very Serious Moderate NDP that gets 18% of the vote each election, considering the only way the NDP are ever going to actually form government is if there happens to be an election where both the Liberals collapse and the Conservatives are somehow incompetent enough not to pick up the 5-10% of votes they need to take power. And in that scenario it actually does not matter which version of the NDP exists because voters don't give a poo poo anyway.

Friendly reminder that a leftist NDP with a small amounts of seats is what gave us things like Medicare. Good thing Tommy Douglas wasn't worrying about how the centrist moderates would view that one!

jsoh
Mar 24, 2007

O Muhammad, I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight
please remember that the purpose of a leftist political party is to enact positive, progressive/socialist change. if the leftist party wins an election on a platform of being a moderate party then i dont want anything to do with it.

Beelzebufo
Mar 5, 2015

Frog puns are toadally awesome


I don't understand how someone could view the results of the last election and thinking moderation and herding towards the center is what is required. I mean people keep yakking about voting percentages, but that's exactly the type of cynical politicking that ruined the NDPs chances this time. The Canadian electorate isn't just demographic slices to acquire. They tried to remain the sober government-in waiting and it failed spectacularly. All it took was Trudeau yacking about change, and an extra 10% of the country voted. Races like Ottawa-Center really prove how much just engaging with voters means over micro-targeting policy and treating statistics and polls as the be-all and end-all of politics.

E: the US system is much more cruel to economic heterodoxy yet Sanders is still a force to be reckoned with.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Guy DeBorgore posted:

Vote for whatever party is least likely to let CI back into Canada.

Which, since he's male and presumably single, would seem to be the Liberals.

CI has a family and truely cares about :420: politics, I know it may be hard to believe. Given that he's likely a citizen the only way he can be removed is through C-51 as a "subversive economic terrorist" which is a possibility.

Whiskey Sours
Jan 25, 2014

Weather proof.

jsoh posted:

please remember that the purpose of a leftist political party is to enact positive, progressive/socialist change. if the leftist party wins an election on a platform of being a moderate party then i dont want anything to do with it.

The NDP's platform included national child care and pharmacare programs, the greatest expansion of the Canadian welfare state since the... 1960's? Parts of their platform were poo poo, and their rhetoric was centrist, but their platform was to the left of the Liberals.

Coolwhoami
Sep 13, 2007
Unironically posted by a family member:

Rebel Media posted:

Rachel Notley and the Alberta NDP are attacking Albertans again. This time it's called Bill 6 and its victims are family farmers and ranchers.

Bill 6 extends workers compensation coverage, occupation health and safety rules and labour laws to all Alberta farms, regardless of size and regardless of whether or not the work being done on the farm is paid or unpaid. Bill 6 also allows farm workers to unionize.

So much for the family farm!

Of course, the people who will be the most affected by this bill — the farmers and ranchers — weren't adequately consulted about the legislation. But you know who was consulted? The Alberta Federation of Labour.

That's wrong. Farmers aren't like regular businesses. It's a way of life. And the NDP don’t understand this. They don’t understand much about rural Alberta. Other than they don’t like it.

I want Rachel Notley to stop Bill 6. I want her to give farm and ranch families a seat at the table when drafting safety legislation that affects them. 

If you feel the same way please sign this petition calling on the government to stop Bill 6.

Show your support for the farmers that feed us all by adding your name to the list of Albertans that oppose this bad law.

The NDP want to cram Bill 6 down the throats of Alberta farm families before the legislature breaks for the winter in early December. We need to act fast.

That's why Wildrose Agriculture Critic and all around freedom fighter, Rick Strankman has agreed to present this petition in the legislature.

But that’s not all.

We want to commission a poll to find out what Albertans really think about Bill 6. We want to know your opinion, not just the opinion of the Alberta Federation of Labour. We want to know if you think family run farms need more workplace legislation.

Please donate to help us pay for this poll. Help us give you your say and your chance to be heard. This affects all Albertans. If you eat, you're involved in agriculture.

Please click below and sign our petition.

Tell Rachel Notley to quit listening to the unions and start listening to our farmers.

Ah yes, the only province in which these laws do not apply, and by trying to shove through they mean "consult with farmers during the only time of the year they can actually be there".

Nine of Eight
Apr 28, 2011


LICK IT OFF, AND PUT IT BACK IN
Dinosaur Gum

Whiskey Sours posted:

The NDP's platform included national child care and pharmacare programs, the greatest expansion of the Canadian welfare state since the... 1960's? Parts of their platform were poo poo, and their rhetoric was centrist, but their platform was to the left of the Liberals.

I find it really weird how the thread went so violently Liberal with people being really bitter as hell against the NDP. I thought we were rational thinkers and immune to thinking of things as our team and their team guys?

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namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
I keep telling you dumb asses that rural culture is garbage. gently caress the family ranch

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