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Fly Molo posted:Dear god that's horrifying. People being brutally crushed and asphyxiated as they scream for help... and there's no dramatic cause. No stampede, no fire, no running from an explosion. Just a human tide slowly pushing forward. Just one person crowding another into pushing another into pushing harder on another into crushing another alive. The people at the back don't even realize they're obliterating people up front. When the people at the front start collapsing, people just behind them start to tip forward, which gives people further back the impression that the crowd is finally moving forward and they'll be out of the situation soon, so they move further forward... Honestly, I think the only way out of a crowd crush is not to be in one.
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Crowd crushes and seeing those cave diving/exploring videos with extremely tight spaces make me extremely claustrophobic. Nothing makes me cringe and freak harder than seeing or hearing about that kind of stuff.
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Ozz81 posted:Crowd crushes and seeing those cave diving/exploring videos with extremely tight spaces make me extremely claustrophobic. Nothing makes me cringe and freak harder than seeing or hearing about that kind of stuff. What about the holocaust?
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Nov 27, 2015 09:34
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Surely that was about thinning people out, not packing them in too tightly?
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Nov 27, 2015 09:40
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^^^ It was a bit of both.eightpole posted:What about the holocaust? I hate to say it, but we're kind of used to the Holocaust now. We know the Nazis were absolutely evil in the most banal way, there's no individual atrocity we can hear of where we would think "Well, that's a bit much, even for them". Whatever they did, we expect it.
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Nov 27, 2015 09:42
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Welp, guess my fear of large crowds in restricted spaces isn't as irrational as I thought after all.
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This thread has made me much more aware of my surroundings at gigs and crowded places now. I always check for the nearest exits and keep an eye out for smoke, and also stay on the periphery of any crowds and bail if it gets too tight. Thanks thread, for teaching me about personal safety in the most disturbing way possible!
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Nov 27, 2015 10:05
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It can happen so quickly, too. I've also been squashed to near-unconsciousness at a show, and it was literally a matter of seconds before an enjoyable, communal, fun thing became completely terrifying. Thank God for well-trained security staff who knew what to look for and immediately started pulling people over the barricades and hustling us to safety. Also, that tunnel-vision thing is totally real. It reminded me of those unnerving-rear end videos about how to recognize when someone is drowning. It doesn't look like you'd expect; there's no hysteria or thrashing or yelling, just freaky immobility with a couple of critical tells that are hard to spot unless you know what you're looking for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fyvtNewabM
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Nov 27, 2015 10:33
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eightpole posted:What about the holocaust? Well, maybe if someone posted about realising the showers were actually poison gas nozzles and everyone running for the door, or seeing your whole village lined up and shot/mutilated/raped, with the note that it could still happen to you, it would be different.
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House Louse posted:Well, maybe if someone posted about realising the showers were actually poison gas nozzles and everyone running for the door, or seeing your whole village lined up and shot/mutilated/raped, with the note that it could still happen to you, it would be different. Yeah totally the holocaust was no big deal
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eightpole posted:Yeah totally the holocaust was no big deal Sorry but the orchestrated extermination of millions isn't scary because it couldn't happen to me while I wait in line for big deals on amiibo and HDTVs
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A CRUNK BIRD posted:Sorry but the orchestrated extermination of millions isn't scary because it couldn't happen to me while I wait in line for big deals on amiibo and HDTVs How do you think we're going to know who to round up
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House Louse posted:Well, maybe if someone posted about realising the showers were actually poison gas nozzles and everyone running for the door, or seeing your whole village lined up and shot/mutilated/raped, with the note that it could still happen to you, it would be different. Maybe if someone posted that the showers 'nozzles' were not the delivery method, the rest ok
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Nov 28, 2015 00:10
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eightpole posted:Yeah totally the holocaust was no big deal Pretty much. For the same reason wolf attacks and dehydration aren't that terrifying for the average white male posting on SA from America. I mean sure, they suck, but they're not happening to me any time soon, so it's kind of hard to get worked up about those the way I'd get worked up about a really nasty piece of malware embedded in my favorite porn.
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A CRUNK BIRD posted:Sorry but the orchestrated extermination of millions isn't scary because it couldn't happen to me while I wait in line for big deals on amiibo and HDTVs Remember, if you have trouble contemplating the horrors of the Holocaust... 
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Ozz81 posted:Crowd crushes and seeing those cave diving/exploring videos with extremely tight spaces make me extremely claustrophobic. Nothing makes me cringe and freak harder than seeing or hearing about that kind of stuff. I was in a crowd crush once. It was at a Dick Dale show in a bar/club. They must have been at more than double capacity for the room. I tried to make my way through the crowd to the restrooms but I got stuck about half way. I got completely stuck for a while but was able to drop any semblance of politeness and shove my way back out. Fortunately there was a back exit and I was able to get out and get some air. I positioned myself right by that door afterwards. If there had been a fire, almost everyone would have died. It's terrifying. Every time you breath out, you can't breath back in. You look around you, and people aren't noticing how bad it's getting and people keep coming in at the entrance.
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djssniper posted:Maybe if someone posted that the showers 'nozzles' were not the delivery method, the rest ok Cheers, I didn't know that. Point stands though. E: My point being that the Holocaust, despite how awful it is, isn't as intimately and physically unnerving as things like crushes and ghosts flights, and people don't normally discuss it as it it were. Safety Biscuits has a new favorite as of 10:29 on Nov 28, 2015 |
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House Louse posted:Cheers, I didn't know that. Point stands though. It really, really doesn't
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A CRUNK BIRD posted:It really, really doesn't You're really missing his point then. He is not denying that the holocaust was a terrible thing, but as a western living priviliged gently caress none of us are really at risk of being put in a camp and gassed to death so it's not a fear we have. I'm more scared of falling in the gap between a commuter train and the station platform than i am of being a victim of genocide because it is FAR more likely to happen to me. Yes holocaust was bad, but being mugged on a city street is scarier, not worse.
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House Louse posted:Cheers, I didn't know that. Point stands though. This seems more like a thing that relates to you rather than other people. That happens sometimes. I on the other hand think the idea of being imprisoned in a place that takes away any semblance of self control, starves and sometimes outright kills you and everyone you love is pretty terrifying and personally affecting
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One of the worst crowd crushes of all time had to be Hannibal's double envelopemet at Cannae. For those of you who slept through your 6th grade history class Hannibal got into a little spat with the Romans. Using a pincer movement Hannibal was able to trick the Romans into rushing his center, then surrounding them with his left and right flanks. So now you have about 70 thousand Romans completely trapped and Hannibal's troops begin to squeeze them. Romans towards the center got it the worst as they were crushed from all sides. Some were literally suffocated hours before the Carthaginian troops could get to them. The actual slaughter lasted almost an entire day. They were so tightly packed that the ones who died from being crushed or suffocated stayed standing because there wasn't enough room for their bodies to fall to the ground. So many people died standing up that the ground became very marshy from all the bowels loosening. Just image standing shoulder to shoulder with 70000 people, being slowly crushed , stampeded and suffocated, knowing that even if the pressure let up you're just going to get slaughtered anyway. Having to wait 16 hours for that guy with a sword to come and Kill you.Then maybe you slip a little and end up drowning in dead people's poo poo.m Your Gay Uncle has a new favorite as of 14:44 on Nov 28, 2015 |
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Another part of it is the loss of control. Most people probably think that even in some terrible future where genocide makes a comeback, they would be able to resist or see it coming or something. People do this about like everything. Like oh a cute girl got kidnapped if I was there I would beat up the kidnapper and save the girl and she would date me. Regardless of how unrealistic it is, there's always the idea that you're different. Compare this to ghost flights. You'd just be hosed and there would be nothing you could do. No warnings, nothing really to prepare, just alive one moment, passed out and soon to be dead the next.
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dpack_1 posted:You're really missing his point then. Stanley Milgram might disagree.
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Is this really happening. The Holocaust trump card. We might as well close the thread then because nothing can beat the Holocaust! Please can we stop arguing over this because I really like this thread and when we say 'I can't imagine anything worse than being crushed to death by other people' we are saying it speculatively and of course there are many many other equally horrible ways to die like being trapped on a ghost plane or gassed or operated on while you're still alive or burnt to death or bisected by a train or drowned by mud in a suit of armour or starved or lost in a wilderness etc etc Jesus H Christ. Oh yeah, crucified too.
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Rondette posted:Is this really happening. The Holocaust trump card. We might as well close the thread then because nothing can beat the Holocaust! know what's worse than a thread you like going to poo poo? yeah that's right THE KHMER ROUGE
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_juicequote:Torpedo juice is American slang for an alcoholic beverage, first mixed in World War II, made from pineapple juice and the 180-proof grain alcohol fuel used in United States Navy torpedo motors.[1] Various poisonous additives were mixed into the fuel alcohol by Navy authorities to render the alcohol undrinkable, and various methods were employed by the U.S. sailors to separate the alcohol from the poison. Aside from the expected alcohol intoxication and subsequent hangover, the effects of drinking torpedo juice sometimes included mild or severe reactions to the poison, and the drink's reputation developed an early element of risk. quote:Later, a small amount of Croton oil was added to the neutral grain spirits which powered U.S. torpedoes. Drinking alcohol with the oil additive caused painful cramps, internal bleeding and a violent emptying of the bowels. It was intended as a replacement for methanol which had caused blindness in some sailors. To avoid the Croton oil, sailors devised crude stills to slowly separate the alcohol from the poison, as alcohol evaporated at a lower temperature than Croton oil. The stills were sometimes called 'Gilly' stills, and the resulting potable alcohol was known as 'gilly'.[2] quote:The standard recipe for torpedo juice is two parts ethyl alcohol and three parts pineapple juice.
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Unnerving as in "pickles your nerves"
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The soviets had major loving problems with the mechanics drinking the hydraulic fluid from helicopters and airplanes, as they used ethanol for the fluid. So much so that at times something like 30% of the fleet was out of action due to no hydraulics.
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Alaois posted:know what's worse than a thread you like going to poo poo? Fantastic. 
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(Pretty sure crowd crushes happened during the Holocaust.)
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i would like another ghost story or a tale about creepy disasters with caves, mountains, or diving, please and thank you goons cool urban legends are also accepted for this submission
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Chichevache posted:Pretty much. For the same reason wolf attacks and dehydration aren't that terrifying for the average white male posting on SA from America. I mean sure, they suck, but they're not happening to me any time soon, so it's kind of hard to get worked up about those the way I'd get worked up about a really nasty piece of malware embedded in my favorite porn. What sort of pitiful excuse for a man doesn't fight wolves for all his porn? You haven't jacked it until you've jacked it to forest porn you had to punch an entire wolf pack to death to get to.
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This brings up an interesting- and relevant- point: where does woods porn come from? Woods porn is something I remember fondly from my own childhood. Does PYF Creepy have any theories? Is it wood porn elves, or just a kindly old Santa-like figure that leaves presents for young men on the cusp of the cusp of manhood? I hope it is the latter, because then there can be a Krampus figure in opposition of Woods Porn St. Nick, who travels to schools with bad little boys and leaves Chick Tracts in the bathroom.
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Chichevache posted:This brings up an interesting- and relevant- point: where does woods porn come from? Woods porn is something I remember fondly from my own childhood. Does PYF Creepy have any theories? Is it wood porn elves, or just a kindly old Santa-like figure that leaves presents for young men on the cusp of the cusp of manhood? I hope it is the latter, because then there can be a Krampus figure in opposition of Woods Porn St. Nick, who travels to schools with bad little boys and leaves Chick Tracts in the bathroom. I'm going to hazard a guess that it comes from people leaving porn in the woods.
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Chichevache posted:This brings up an interesting- and relevant- point: where does woods porn come from? Woods porn is something I remember fondly from my own childhood. Does PYF Creepy have any theories? Back in the days before the Internet, when actual physical copies were required, teenagers didn't want to stash their porn where their parents might find it.
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And people didn't want to put it in their own garbage when getting rid of it.
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Chichevache posted:This brings up an interesting- and relevant- point: where does woods porn come from? Woods porn is something I remember fondly from my own childhood. Does PYF Creepy have any theories? Is it wood porn elves, or just a kindly old Santa-like figure that leaves presents for young men on the cusp of the cusp of manhood? I hope it is the latter, because then there can be a Krampus figure in opposition of Woods Porn St. Nick, who travels to schools with bad little boys and leaves Chick Tracts in the bathroom.
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I remember finding woods porn as a kid. There was a detailed exposeŽof the Pantie Raiders Of The Lost Ark, and I had no idea what a panty raid was. I've now taken to leaving thumbdrives full of Ginger Lynn grumble glued to trees. Leave a titty, take a titty.
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Has anyone ever actually jerked off in the woods to woods porn? I always thought it was a trap layed by rape hobos
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Aesop Poprock posted:Has anyone ever actually jerked off in the woods to woods porn? I always thought it was a trap layed by rape hobos Of course, but probably by said rape hobo.
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