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Do draconians get any sory of innate GDR from their scales?
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Beyond the Ziggurat adjustments, extra changes for the holiday!
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Nov 26, 2015 18:11
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Just in time for some post-turkey coma crawl action
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Nov 26, 2015 18:25
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World Famous Whore posted:Glad to see an updated Pakellas. Hope they can make it to trunk this time. I am liking the changes from the .16 version though once again all I am really doing is abusing the ever loving poo poo out of Quick Charge. Only got the Barnacled and the Gossamer rune so far and: What changed about Pakellas?
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Nov 26, 2015 18:32
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I thought the autopickup was already in place for 0.17. I could pick up poison needles once for example and while I had them in my inventory it would slurp up more poison needles but not pick up needles of frenzy (seriously, does anyone use these?). Xom's chessboard isn't a box of beasts-a-like, it's more of a way to evoke the 'switch places with enemy' thing that Xom does occasionally. Said switching has a chance of confusing you, IIRC, but will always confuse the enemies involved. There's a flat 1% chance that Xom will steal the board back.
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Nov 26, 2015 18:32
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Zaodai posted:Wouldn't it just get removed immediately anyway? I remember seeing someone say they removed the Halloween stuff because it made crawl different sometimes. Sage Grimm posted:Functionally different during that time. This is more of a visual effect that doesn't affect gameplay. Yeah, pumpkin-head ghosts and special start messages are still around. Internet Kraken posted:Do draconians get any sory of innate GDR from their scales? Nope.
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Nov 26, 2015 18:48
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Major bug:code:Prism posted:What changed about Pakellas? Drain Magic works like the VS bite but will cause contamination if you are full on MP already. Sap Magic hits them with a debuff that does an Anti-Magic hit and drain MP every time they cast. Also causes contamination at full MP. I've yet to really use the Drain Magic or Sap Magic so I can't judge them to well yet. It also seems like Rod reward has been upped as Pakellas has done given me about 4 or them and I am only cleared Lair branches, Orcish Mines, and Elf. Really digging 'em again, hope they make it to Trunk. EDIT: Also, I'm not sure if this is a change but I think it is but they forbid the use of Mana Channeling evocs now to. They still allow Potions of Mana (and maybe Ambrosia) which should probably be forbidden for balance reasons. World Famous W fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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Nov 26, 2015 19:05
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World Famous Whore posted:Major bug: Fixed, thanks!
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Nov 26, 2015 19:14
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I'm super not good at Crawl, but I like playing SpAs. That said, I've never had this opportunity: Who would y'all recommend I worship for max assassining? I've only done Dithmenos for shadows, Yredelemnul for animating corpses and Fedhas for organic hippie fun.
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Nov 26, 2015 19:47
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Well, my vote goes for Dith because of chicanery like this:code: e: code: e2: Wait. Am I reading this right? Does stealth not actually have a cap? That would explain why I'm now stabbing entire floors. Angry Diplomat fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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Nov 26, 2015 19:54
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spider wisdom posted:I'm super not good at Crawl, but I like playing SpAs. That said, I've never had this opportunity: ). Get 16ish throwing for the main game (which also lets you branch into throwing tomahawks), 20 if you want to do post game with needles. Use Heroism before needling particularly tough threats. I was able to paralyze stab the Lernaean Hydra with a SpEn of Oka. 
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Nov 26, 2015 20:38
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No hard cap on stealth, yeah. Dwindling benefit for cranking it up to SILENT AS A GRAVE levels when experience could be spent elsewhere but it's hella fun shanking nearly everything you see.
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Nov 26, 2015 21:01
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Wow, Gozag is pretty goddamn broken. Waltzing into Vault 5 and picking up a rune felt pretty bullshit, but apparently I can bribe Orb Guardians??? Edit: And OOFs, wow.
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Nov 26, 2015 22:32
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So if the faded altar does spawn in your game, does it always spawn in the temple or can it spawn anywhere from D:2 too D:11 like other altars? PleasingFungus posted:Nope. Well that explains why I sometimes felt fragile as them even when my AC was high. Dunno why this never occured to me until recently though.
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Nov 26, 2015 22:41
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I've found it outside the Temple the times I've encountered it so definitely yes.
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Nov 26, 2015 23:57
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Internet Kraken posted:So if the faded altar does spawn in your game, does it always spawn in the temple or can it spawn anywhere from D:2 too D:11 like other altars? This is my first hint it could spawn in Temple. 
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Nov 27, 2015 00:46
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I have no idea where it can spawn since I've seen it myself  I really want to do a MAXIMUM RANDOM game as a HuWn of the faded alatar but not being able to find it reliably is making me hesitant. Cause going to D:11 without a god sucks, and going all the way there only to realize the faded altar didn't even spawn is worse.
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Nov 27, 2015 00:56
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FulsomFrank posted:It's really bad and will get you killed or at the very least lead to way more panic situations than normal. Yeah at first it was kind of neat, kind of like "excitement mode" or something, since it was a high AC/Damage GaFi I wasn't too put out by it since I could just beat my way out of trouble. Didn't work out so good in Elf 3 though for obvious reasons.... double chained hellfire and a teleport that just didn't fire off fast enough. One question I had for you all: on that character I had double stacked cold resistance, didn't that used to be a demonspawn only mutation? In the back of my head I'm thinking that you could only get one level of a resist before RE: Faded altars, I've only ever seen them outside the temple
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Nov 27, 2015 00:57
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Is entropy weave bugged or something? I'm playing P branch and it says it has a 0% chance to land but it's still corroding my equipment anyway. 
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Nov 27, 2015 01:27
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I went back to my game on trunk and this happened: I think my Centaur made a contract with the devil, rip
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Nov 27, 2015 02:11
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Hope nobody was trying to win before this came out  Edit: Also banishment now sends you deeper based on the HD of the banishing creature. (I changed the links to diffs just for you, Brannock). Floodkiller fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Nov 27, 2015 |
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Nov 27, 2015 03:37
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Floodkiller posted:Edit: Also banishment now sends you deeper based on the HD of the banishing creature. (I changed the links to diffs just for you, Brannock). code: I ain't ever fighting an Ancient Lich without full Magic Resistance again.
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Nov 27, 2015 04:19
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Someone Awful! posted:Is entropy weave bugged or something? I'm playing P branch and it says it has a 0% chance to land but it's still corroding my equipment anyway. Display bug, sorry. Should be fixed in the next build!
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Nov 27, 2015 04:22
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Awesome, I was just thinking Banishment didn't feel as bullshit as it used to. I'm glad we can now lose endgame characters to a single die roll, that feels a lot more fair.  I'll wait and see how it plays in practice, of course. It just REALLY seems like the sort of thing that sounds cool and scary on paper but, in practice, inflicts an hour of frustrating tedium and annoyance for every five minutes of memorably stressful play. We'll see I guess
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Nov 27, 2015 04:54
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Angry Diplomat posted:I'll wait and see how it plays in practice, of course. It just REALLY seems like the sort of thing that sounds cool and scary on paper but, in practice, inflicts an hour of frustrating tedium and annoyance for every five minutes of memorably stressful play. We'll see I guess It'll probably mean grinding Abyss:3 for the rune so banishment to Abyss:5 will mostly just be annoying like before. To be fair, banishment and/or abyss need changing so actual changes to it are welcome, I just hope that in the case it doesn't work out additional work will be put into redesigning the spell. My impression is that it changes banishment from being a gear check early-mid game to a gear check throughout the whole game, except the gear check can be both MR and/or the Abyssal rune. Not very interesting IMO, but banishment needed to be more dangerous somehow. I wish they'd address banishment being kind of tedious first though. apple fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Nov 27, 2015 |
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Nov 27, 2015 05:03
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If you've spent some high number of turns in the abyss, the next time the level regenerates it should force there to be an exit near you. Possibly measure it by exp gained while banished instead, or something. Basically I've had characters last thousands and thousands of turns, teleport a dozen times, and still never find an exit and I think that's just unfun and terrible.
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Nov 27, 2015 05:17
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I'm not even mad.code:apple posted:It'll probably mean grinding Abyss:3 for the rune so banishment to Abyss:5 will mostly just be annoying like before. To be fair, banishment and/or abyss need changing so actual changes to it are welcome, I just hope that in the case it doesn't work out additional work will be put into redesigning the spell. Because you know what people wanted? More time wasted in the Abyss after grabbing the rune! 
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Nov 27, 2015 05:48
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Angry Diplomat posted:Awesome, I was just thinking Banishment didn't feel as bullshit as it used to. I'm glad we can now lose endgame characters to a single die roll, that feels a lot more fair. I mean ancient liches have paralysis, so they were always capable of killing you with a single die roll if your MR wasn't good. At least banishment gives you a chance to survive. Paralysis is just a death sentence when you're near dangerous enemies. Haifisch posted:They're working on changing it on this experimental branch. Trims abyss to 4 levels, places the rune only on 4. Sounds good, except for needing to take stairs all the way out for some godforsaken reason. And keeping the spawnrate of the deepest level you've been to until you manage to leave entirely. And getting the rune fixes spawns at Abyss 4 levels. But mostly the stairs. Wow, this is incredibly bad!
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Nov 27, 2015 06:06
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Always take the Mystery Boxcode:
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Nov 27, 2015 06:10
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Haifisch posted:They're working on changing it on this experimental branch. Trims abyss to 4 levels, places the rune only on 4. Sounds good, except for needing to take stairs all the way out for some godforsaken reason. And keeping the spawnrate of the deepest level you've been to until you manage to leave entirely. And getting the rune fixes spawns at Abyss 4 levels. But mostly the stairs. holy poo poo that's awful
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Nov 27, 2015 06:13
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"People think extended is tedious right now? Well I'll show them tedium!" 
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Nov 27, 2015 06:15
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Yeah see my whole objection to More Banishment and Deeper Banishment is that the Abyss is usually kind of boring and awful unless it kills you, so getting turbobanished by Ancient Liches will either be fatal (kinda sucks but no worse than paralysis, as has been mentioned) or just boring and awful (always sucks no matter what). Now we have a proposed change that somehow makes Abyss more fatal, more boring, and more awful, all at the same time! I can't wait to be sent to the bottom of it and have to walk all the way back out to keep hitting a wizard skeleton with a sword!
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Nov 27, 2015 06:28
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Haifisch posted:
Wow this sounds like a really cool change that absolutely no one will enjoy in the slightest, excellent way to make the lategame more fun
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Nov 27, 2015 06:30
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FR: Abyssal Upstairs have a 1D6 chance of just leading back to A:4
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Nov 27, 2015 06:32
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I miss when abyss was more random and you could get banished and oh hey, there's the rune right there.
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Nov 27, 2015 06:33
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Ugh ate the purp off a skybeast (5 chunks!) at xl 6 Gargoyle. Frailx3, surprised I don't have negative hitpoints. EDIT-FML orc priest smite does 2/3 of my hp and I just found 3 of them Scaramouche fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Nov 27, 2015 |
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Nov 27, 2015 06:34
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Counterproposal: make the Abyss an absolute terrifying high-octane shitstorm overflowing with screaming otherworldly nightmare doom, then make (non-Lugonu-invocation) banishment temporary with a duration affected by monster HD and player MR. Getting banished by Erolcha still loving sucks, but at least instead of an endless slog and then death, you get like 100 turns of OH GOD OH poo poo gently caress MY loving LIFE JESUS CHRIST FUUUUUCK followed by a very exciting death or a tremendously relieving "you are dragged back into reality!" Now banishment is a short-term white-knuckle thrill ride instead of a huge spectrum of experiences made up almost entirely of groaning and inconvenience. Tweak as needed to make early banishment relatively survivable by good or very lucky players, but still loving terrifying when it happens unexpectedly. e: so basically all banishment goes to Abyss 4 but only for a really short time unless the banisher is way strong, and for a moderate time at most; also get rid of the stairs thing so that voluntarily entering the abyss isn't even more wearisome and bad than usual. Angry Diplomat fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Nov 27, 2015 |
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Nov 27, 2015 06:40
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Angry Diplomat posted:Counterproposal: make the Abyss an absolute terrifying high-octane shitstorm overflowing with screaming otherworldly nightmare doom, then make (non-Lugonu-invocation) banishment temporary with a duration affected by monster HD and player MR. Getting banished by Erolcha still loving sucks, but at least instead of an endless slog and then death, you get like 100 turns of OH GOD OH poo poo gently caress MY loving LIFE JESUS CHRIST FUUUUUCK followed by a very exciting death or a tremendously relieving "you are dragged back into reality!" If abyss becomes actually fun/challenging where would you go when you get all your skills drained and your main attack now has a 30%+ failure rate or you have -4 strength and paralyze yourself every few dozen turns?
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Nov 27, 2015 07:23
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So apparently a normal Lich can one-up their LCS damage by casting LRD on crystal walls, found this out the hard way after taking a 80 damage LRD and ending up at -2 HP on a potential streak
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Nov 27, 2015 11:59
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quote:3786176 SomeoneAwful the Brilliant (level 27, 97/277 HPs) Pakellas: He's pretty good! Picked DD because of the high Evo aptitude and starting with /HW. Once I got Pakellas to a point where I had some rods and evokers and could reliably recharge with more than 3 charges, this character felt basically invincible -- I'm sure I could easily have done extended, but I didn't feel like slogging through it. DD damage shaving + nearly unlimited recharges of HW = lol gg. I pumped Evo to 27 once I got my first god gifted rod and was legitimately impressed with how well that worked out for me. Rod of Shadows is really strong, getting me packs of deep trolls/caustic shrikes/shock wasps on the regular. I chose to supercharge my lightning rod and I'm not sure it was the best choice, but it cleared out packs pretty well and is one of my favorite rods to use anyway so. I'm not sure if Pakellas is too strong, if this combo is too strong, or if I just got incredibly lucky. I'll have to try him again later. Biggest Pakellas issue is the same as with Nemelex: Hauling all these rods/wands/evokers/spider bag monster box chess piece things around takes up so much of your inventory you don't have room for much else. On the flip side, you don't really need that much else either, but it can get annoying to play Inventory Shuffle every time you find a new ring or whatever. Also I'm not sure I noticed empowered devices doing altogether that much different from a normal one but I should definitely have used mana sap/the AOE mana drain thing more because they were very strong and would have saved me some grief, but with the amount of rods I was juggling I honestly forgot they were options a lot of the time. That's on me, though.So yeah, Pakellas. Play some!
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