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Soulfucker
Feb 15, 2012

i,m going to kill myself on friday #wow #whoa
Fun Shoe
Hmm why do I bother playing anything but the Luchs again????

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Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?
What the gently caress did they do to the Luchs in the last 2 years that you're averaging almost 3 kills and 1k damage per match?

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Fat Jesus posted:

hmm I sort of like the idea of a T34, mighty gun of fuckoff plus depression with bullshit turret sounds good but no pref MM oooh, is it useless at tier 10?

Both the T34 and the Lowe are fine in tier 10 battles simply because of their great pen. You just can't use them as front line heavies, which generally isn't a problem because they're so slow that you're never at the front line to begin with.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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McGavin posted:

Both the T34 and the Lowe are fine in tier 10 battles simply because of their great pen. You just can't use them as front line heavies, which generally isn't a problem because they're so slow that you're never at the front line to begin with.

As far as the t34 goes you really need (or I did anyway) to overcome your desire to play it front line no matter what.

This overwhelming desire comes from the incredibly lovely accuracy + load times that can make sitting back really loving frustrating occasionally.

Soulfucker
Feb 15, 2012

i,m going to kill myself on friday #wow #whoa
Fun Shoe

Duzzy Funlop posted:

What the gently caress did they do to the Luchs in the last 2 years that you're averaging almost 3 kills and 1k damage per match?

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
Yeah, that's it. Punch 'R' three times, right-click your targets and poo poo clips at them while doing sick drifts. The Luchs Life.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Haha there's a mod that tracks arty reload times.

stephenfry
Nov 3, 2009

I AM AN IDIOT.
I AM AN IDIOT.
I AM AN IDIOT.
I AM AN IDIOT.
I AM AN IDIOT.
I AM AN IDIOT.
I AM AN IDIOT.
I AM AN IDIOT.

McGavin posted:

Haha there's a mod that tracks arty reload times.

nice

anyone noted any big changes in meta with the draw distance adjustment?

I haven't played any big sniping maps since the update, because update, but

Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!

stephenfry posted:

nice

anyone noted any big changes in meta with the draw distance adjustment?

I haven't played any big sniping maps since the update, because update, but

Prok feels really different. Playing middle from south spawn you have to run further away from the hill to be safe when you get lit by lights peeking, and from north spawn you have a much harder time shooting the hill.

I think this makes south spawn stronger. South spawn is still able to shoot the reverse slope just fine, and can even do it from further back, while north spawn had a southeast shot on hill that is cut off now.


On Malinovka it's a lot harder to shoot from one spawn into the other, which is a good change as it might make pubbies actually leave spawn (haha no, it's safer now so they'll stay there more often).

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

McGavin posted:

Both the T34 and the Lowe are fine in tier 10 battles simply because of their great pen. You just can't use them as front line heavies, which generally isn't a problem because they're so slow that you're never at the front line to begin with.

And the T34 have a great turret as well, which helps in tier10. It got buffed recently as well.
It is sluggish as hell, with a tendency to throw shots all over the place, even in my 4skill T57 crew.
But one should quite easily get in 4-5 shots per game which lands a decent profit, since you never shoot gold.

I have like 800 games in mine (which I got for free) and don't know if I can recommend it to anyone. Simply since it is kinda of a chore to play.
One useful trick to learn in the T34/T29/T32/T30 is side scraping and catching shots in the tracks, since hull armour is pretty much poo poo.
Killed a full health T29 the other day in my 80 hp T34 just by hiding my front behind a dead tank and side scraping with the tracks. He was a solid read though so.....

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.
Hey EU people, how is the fourth Campaign going for your server? They pushed it back until January for NA, and I'm wondering if there's any funny stuff going on. Usually Campaigns are a total clusterfuck, and CW 2.0 is already a giant nightmare, so I figured maybe it'll be even more of a disaster than the last three Campaigns.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Reading through the patchnotes for the 9.13 test. Seems like a good, solid patch. Here's some new stuff besides Czech tanks and the buffs that were revealed last week.
- The SU-101 is getting its old gun back after all.
- South Coast is out of rotation (yay!)
- Fjords is out of rotation (boooooo! This was one of my favorite maps, and I can't see why it's gone when Airfield and Westfield are still in.)
- New map, Pilsen, for the Czech tanks

rossmum
Dec 2, 2008

Cummander ross, reporting for duty!

:gooncamp:
Hey let's play some WoT I bet this will be fun!





TWO loving CONSECUTIVE GAMES

DESTROY ALL HUMANS

Soulfucker
Feb 15, 2012

i,m going to kill myself on friday #wow #whoa
Fun Shoe

rossmum posted:

DESTROY ALL HUMANS

Agreed, this would be best for the world at large. Dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

let's start with WGs map team

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

rossmum posted:

Hey let's play some WoT I bet this will be fun!

Lol if you expect wot to be fun on days when everyone has work and school off (that's not going to stop me from playing for those sweet x3's, i'll just drink more than usual)

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes

rossmum posted:

DESTROY ALL HUMANS

Play bots mode ;)

Sayara
May 10, 2009
Got hooked back in with some COME BACK COMMANDER WE NEED YOU! e-mail, and I'm surprised this runs so well on my laptop with no gpu. Seriously better than when I played with my old desktop, and it's weird how I'm having better fps with this. After couple of terrible warmup games, I managed to score my first ace with Alecto. :toot:

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



http://wotreplays.eu/site/2301332?secret=32096e0ac00a7665211f2e49e576c542

Watch me wreck poo poo in the tier 9 bat arty (of all things.) The shots that are on point this round make up for all the other times they get whiffed all over the loving place.

rossmum
Dec 2, 2008

Cummander ross, reporting for duty!

:gooncamp:

stephenfry
Nov 3, 2009

I AM AN IDIOT.
I AM AN IDIOT.
I AM AN IDIOT.
I AM AN IDIOT.
I AM AN IDIOT.
I AM AN IDIOT.
I AM AN IDIOT.
I AM AN IDIOT.
It is curious

http://www.noobmeter.com/player/na/_NuNu_183/1001987415/

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
One of the good ones.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

quote:

Xemawth (12:02:34 AM) I was 37 damage from completeing TD misson 15
Xemawth (12:02:43 AM) you stole that from me
StrokerMcGavin (12:02:53 AM) sucks to be you
StrokerMcGavin (12:03:04 AM) you gotta earn it loser
Xemawth (12:03:42 AM) Aaaaand to my black list

:laugh:

McGavin fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Nov 28, 2015

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Well, which TD-15? Were they at 7963? Let 'em have it, they earned it. 3963? gently caress you carry harder.

though apparently this dude has no tier tens and their highest tier TD is the Rhombus so that loser gotta earn it.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Hellsau posted:

Well, which TD-15? Were they at 7963? Let 'em have it, they earned it. 3963? gently caress you carry harder.

though apparently this dude has no tier tens and their highest tier TD is the Rhombus so that loser gotta earn it.

:chord: He would have had it, but he used HE on the last tank.

Also, my LT-11 for the T28 and Ace Tanker for my 59-16 is more important. :colbert:

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008


He must have thought the arty wouldn't be a big issue, you can do some interesting things in that particular divot with a well-armored tank if artillery isn't kicking your rear end all the time.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Control Volume posted:

He must have thought the arty wouldn't be a big issue, you can do some interesting things in that particular divot with a well-armored tank if artillery isn't kicking your rear end all the time.

The big thing is that it's a CHAI player pressing W in World of Tanks. They're usually suicidally aggressive in Armored Warfare (and incredible pro-LGBTQ proselytizers for some reason) but for the most part, they do a lot of red line sniping in World of Tanks. There's a reason "chai sniping" is a thing.

Infected
Oct 17, 2012

Salt Incarnate


Hellsau posted:

They're usually suicidally aggressive in Armored Warfare (and incredible pro-LGBTQ proselytizers for some reason)

:thejoke:

sc0tty
Jan 8, 2005

too kewell for school..
Really enjoying the VK 30.01 (D). Has a great gun decent mobility for it's tier. What's the rest of this line like?

rossmum
Dec 2, 2008

Cummander ross, reporting for duty!

:gooncamp:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6NbOHJO_BA

Il-2 Battle of Stalingrad: soon to also have tanks. Daaaamn.

Rincewinds
Jul 30, 2014

MEAT IS MEAT

Hellsau posted:

Hey EU people, how is the fourth Campaign going for your server? They pushed it back until January for NA, and I'm wondering if there's any funny stuff going on. Usually Campaigns are a total clusterfuck, and CW 2.0 is already a giant nightmare, so I figured maybe it'll be even more of a disaster than the last three Campaigns.

My clan did not manage to get enough people interested in running the new CW, so the dozen social and fun players finally got fed up with that the officers focus on recruiting people with skills but no willingness to play with clan mates, and promptly left for clans with teamwork. That means that the clan channel is now a vacant with 4 or 5 players and I have pretty much stopped playing. So personally I would say it's a success, though I have no idea how the actual CW is going.

Rincewinds fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Nov 28, 2015

Real Cool Catfish
Jun 6, 2011
The Ausf J has appeared in the SEA premium shop for $100, packaged with a ton of gold and premium because holy poo poo $100 for a tier 3?!

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
I got my first 2nd Mark of Excellence today. The Hellcat is a remarkable vehicle even after all the nerfs it's received.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
The Last Soviet Heavy

The last fighting machine named after Stalin would be the last Soviet heavy tank. It appeared at a time when the trend of constant increase in the weight of tanks came to a stop. Without the ability to grow protection and armament of tanks at the expense of weight, the designers of the IS-8 (T-10) used a number of creative solutions.

The end of an era of giants

Starting from late 1943, Soviet tank designers steadily increased the mass of their heavy tanks. Eventually, the initial stages of tank projects stepped over the psychological limit of 50 tons. The IS-3 was an exception, but it was essentially a deep modernization of the IS-2. Interestingly enough, there were doubts at the very top of the Main Armour Directorate (GBTU) about the suitability of the IS-3 for service. The Object 701, which hit a mass of 55 tons during the prototype phase, seemed much more desirable. Development of the future IS-4 was moving slowly: the first prototypes were ready for the summer of 1944, but the tank was constantly changed, and, despite being designed as an answer to the Ferdinand, only reached mass production in 1947. By that time, production of the IS-3 not only started, but also ended, netting a total of 1555 tanks.

The IS-4 was already yesterday's news in 1945. In the winter of 1945, the design of a new tank began, the IS-7. This designation, as well as the index "Object 260", covered three tanks that were significantly different in their design and characteristics. Designed as a counter to the German Maus, the IS-7 was the most perfect fighting machine of its class. The characteristics of the tank that was finalized in 1948 boggle the mind even today: with a mass of 68 tons, it could reach a speed of 60 kph, all with the armament and protection no less than that of the 189 ton German monster, even superior in some regards.

However, the increasing mass was a trap for heavy tanks. ChKZ managed to produce the IS-4 with great difficulty: only 55 tanks in 1947 and 155 more in 1948. The IS-7 was even more problematic: it needed a new engine, the production of which was yet to be mastered. The 68 ton weight meant that new recovery vehicles were needed, and the tactical mobility of the tank was questionable. Few bridges, even railroad ones, could carry such a monster. There was also an issue with railroad platforms that could carry sufficient weight. The problems that were bypassed in one way or another in 1941 caught up. The same issues would have to be resolved if the KV-3, KV-4, or KV-5 reached mass production.

Weighing all pros and cons, Soviet leadership made the only correct choice. On February 18th, 1949, the Council of Ministers of the USSR had a meeting which included the commanders of the Armoured and Mechanized Forces, as well as representatives from GBTU. The result of the meeting was decree #701-270ss, which stopped the development and production of tanks heavier than 50 tons. The IS-7 was doomed, as was the IS-4 (the last 19 tanks were amde in 1949).

The same decree ordered SKB-2 of ChKZ and the experimental department of factory #100 (Chelyabinsk) to begin development of a new heavy tank, no more than 50 tons in weight. The design had to incorporate components from the IS-4 to speed up development. At the same time, the armour layout and hull design were to be taken from the IS-3, as the most appropriate for this weight. The design team had very limitd time: the first three tanks were to be ready in August of 1949, and another ten in September, for military trials. In total, only half a year was allotted to the production of a new tank, which was yet to be designed.

Working together

In order to solve such a difficult problem, two competing design bureaus were involved. On March 19th, 1949, the factory #100 design group was included in the newly created VNII-100 (Leningrad). The first task given to the institute was the design of the new heavy tank. J. Ya. Kotin headed this new team. Leningrad was tasked with development, and workers in Chelyabinsk put their designs into metal. 41 members of VNII-100 were sent to Chelyabinsk. The vehicle also got a Chelyabinsk index. Vehicles developed in Leningrad were designated Object 2##, whereas Chelyabinsk tanks were Object 7##. For example, the IS-4 was Object 701, and IS-7 was Object 260. This vehicle received the code 730, or Object 730.

Some sources claim that the Object 730 was based on the IS-4, but that, to put it lightly, is contestable. The IS-5 was effectively a new tank, only inheriting the V-12 engine from the IS-4, and, initially, the cooling system with two large fans. Otherwise, the vehicle that was designed in April of 1949 was the product of a completely different school. The IS-4, especially its hull and turret, was the product of 1943 technology. Since then, Chelyabinsk produced the IS-3, which had almost identical armour, and Leningrad produced the IS-7, which left the IS-4 far behind. Other components were greatly improved over the previous 5 years. A large amount of work was done on the suspension, transmission, and other components during the design of the IS-7. Additionally, as mentioned above, the development was mostly based in Leningrad, and the experience of local tank designers was fully applied to Object 730.

Looking closely, the IS-5 is a creative reformatting of the IS-7 mod. 1948. The front pike with driver's periscopes on the side, the rear with its characteristic slope, the V-shaped bottom of the hull and curved sides, all this indicates the heritage of the Object 730. The turret, a combination of IS-3 and IS-7 solutions, also has nothing in common with the IS-4. Since the mass of the IS-5 was limited to 50 tons, the armour had to be reduced for the first time since the KV-1S. Thanks to scientific work to increase the effectiveness of armour without thickening it, a series of solutions were implemented, making the tank more protected than the IS-3. Compared to the IS-4, and especially the IS-7, the protection of the tank decreased. Such was the cost for lowering its weight to 50 tons.

Another regression was seen in the armament. The D-25T, which was installed in the IS-2, IS-3, and IS-4, was already not enough for the military in 1944. The IS-7 received a new 130 mm S-70 gun, but it was not possible to install it in an IS-5. As a result, the IS-5 received the same D-25T. The armour and armament of the tank was closer to the end of WWII, rather than the end of the 1940s.

A tank of compromise

The Americans faced the same problem around the same time. Starting with the 64 ton T-29 Heavy Tank, American tank designers managed to develop a final tank weighing in at 65 tons. While Soviet tank designers were working on the 50 ton IS-5, their American colleagues were working on the T43 heavy tank with a 55 ton limit. As a result, the M103 Heavy Tank turned out to be slightly heavier at 56.7 tons, but this was still significantly lower than the 65 ton heavy tanks of the late 1940s.

The cost of weight reduction was weak armour. The turret suffered the most. A significant advantage of the American tank was its 120 mm gun, but this made the vehicle very large. The characteristics of the FV214 Conqueror were similar, but it turned out to be even heavier than the M103, 65 tons. One can say that all leading armies of the world made the same step back, but the Americans and British managed to improve the tank's armament. The cost was increased size, and therefore weight.

Even though the armament and armour were steps back, it would be wrong to consider the IS-5 a failure. For the late 1940s, armour that was completely immune to the German 88 mm gun was standard. The D-25T was equally modern, as its enemies weren't German tanks, but those of the former allies.

Even the M46 and M47 Patton tanks that appeared in the late 40s and early 50s were not proper adversaries for the IS-3, let alone the new tank. Until the 105 mm L7 gun began appearing in foreign tanks, the front armour of Soviet heavies was reliably impenetrable. By the way, trials of the IS-5 hull performed in May-June of 1950 showed that the front armour withstands hits from 122 mm shells at 100 meters. The Soviet Army received a modern heavy tank.

As mentioned above, many technical solutions migrated from the IS-7 to this tank. This includes the novel bundled torsion bars. This system allowed the length of the torsion bars to be drastically reduced. Other elements of the suspension (road wheels, idlers, tracks) were further improvements of IS-3 components. The suspension looked similar, but the design was drastically altered and reliability improved. It was designed in such a way that it could be installed on other IS series tanks without significant changes.

In the mid 1950s, IS-2, IS-3, and ISU vehicles were modernized. This meant that the new tank and the old tanks had identical suspensions. The use of a 750 hp V-12 engine allowed for superior mobility compared to the IS-3. The maximum speed increased to 42 kph. Several types of planetary transmissions were developed for the IS-5. It's worth mentioning that some components were tested on IS-4 and IS-7 vehicles lightened to 50 tons.

Preliminary blueprints were shown to the state commission in April of 1949. By June, working blueprints were complete. For several reasons, there was a delay, and the first hull only reached ChKZ on July 30th, and second on August 9th. The first IS-5 was finished on September 14th. The tank had a 6-step gearbox and planetary transmission from the IS-4. Trials showed that the transmission and cooling system do not last for the required 2000 km warranty period. As a result, an 8-step planetary transmission developed by VNII-100 was installed, a design with roots in the IS-7. Instead of a fan-based cooling system, an ejector system was used, like on the IS-7. Two more tanks were build in December of 1949, which participated in the winter trials.

Renaming

Trials requested by decree #701-270ss started with a half-year delay, in February of 1950. Three tanks were finished by April 5th and sent to Lomonosov, near Leningrad, where they underwent trials for the duration of April. Defects discovered during those trials were corrected by ChKZ, after which the tanks underwent more trials at Kubinka in October-November of 1950. Earlier, in June-July of 1950, the tanks underwent trials in Central Asia. In total, 13 IS-5 tanks were built in 1949-1950, and another 2 in 1951.

Changes were constantly made to the IS-5 to improve reliability. The tank served as a test bed for multiple systems, including an autoloader mechanism. The total sum of improvements was so great that it was decided that the tank should be renamed. In early 1953, the tank was named IS-8. This would be the name the tank would serve under, had Stalin not died on March 5th, 1953. In May, the tank was already referred to as only Object 730 in letters. It's possible that this was just a precaution to weather the power struggle in the Politbureau. On June 26th, L.P. Beria was arrested, and N.S. Khrushchev came into power.

The new heavy tank was accepted for service by a decree of the Council of Ministers on November 28th, 1953. This same decree assigned it the index T-10. The first 30 T-10s were built in 1954, and 190 tanks were built in the first series at ChKZ. Kotin's tank was the last to carry the name of a notable Soviet leader. 15 years prior, Kotin worked on the SMK heavy tank (Sergei Mironovich Kirov), which started the trend of naming heavy tanks instead of giving them numbers.

The T-10 was a temporary measure. In 1952, a program began to create a next generation tank, the result of which was the Object 777. The T-10 was destined to outlive its successor, which never moved past a scale model, as well as the next wave of heavy tanks, which birthed Objects 277, 279, and 770. In 1958, LKZ began production of T-10s, but only once did annual production surpass 200 units. In 1965, ChKZ built the last 60 T-10s, and that was the end for Soviet heavy tanks. A new type of tank appeared on the horizon, including the best parts of heavy and medium vehicles, the Main Battle Tank.

Blindeye
Sep 22, 2006

I can't believe I kissed you!
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Herr Tog
Jun 18, 2011

Grimey Drawer
Hey goons, I'm getting back into this. Is there team speak only or is there also mumble for this? Also I like Arty, which nation should I play?

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
I'm enjoying the American arty line as much as anyone can enjoy arty.

Fat Jesus
Jul 13, 2011

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2023


Soulfucker posted:

Hmm why do I bother playing anything but the Luchs again????



because you'll be broke in another 10 games at that rate?

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Had a chance to play a few games in the new Czech tier 10 medium, the TVP T 50/51, on the test server. Fast and fun as hell. The gun is a superb autoloader and can put out a ton of damage in very accurate bursts. The downside is it's a fragile tank: the armor is nominally better than its closest competitor, the Batchat, but not enough that it makes a huge difference. The 50/51's gun is flat-out better, with more DPM, better accuracy and handling, and much shorter clip and shell reloads.

I'm going to start grinding up that line as soon as the patch drops. Based on previews I've seen, it should be a fun and easy grind.

Terrorist Fistbump fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Nov 29, 2015

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Herr Tog
Jun 18, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Terrorist Fistbump posted:

I'm enjoying the American arty line as much as anyone can enjoy arty.

Cool time to sell off my other tanks.

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